I comment this on many of their LinkedIn posts. I think they've blocked me at this point
People still use LinkedIn? I thought it was just ai bots using LinkedIn.
I’ve managed entirely on Google Sheets for years now. And I was a really big fan of Excel. It was never viable for me to rely on Windows to be everywhere I need to be, and the functionality gap closed steadily over the years to the point where the benefits of it being on the web now overwhelm the feature gap. Being free helps too, especially as Excel has gone through various pricing and bundling contortions over the years. Someone might tell me here that it’s now completely free but can I really be blamed for tuning out Microsoft years ago?
Genuinely what do you need in excel you can’t do anywhere else? For me sheets are just glorified visual data storage. If I need to do complex stuff I can probably do it faster in polars or pandas than I can in excel
It's massive in business environments. It is the lingua franca of business analysis (both back of the napkin analysis, proof of concept and more complicated/involved projects).
It is most definitely not used merely as "glorified visual data storage".
There are probably a lot of programms that do aspects of Excel better. But the combined might you weild if you know how to use Excel is very powerful. I tried LibreOffice and OnlyOffice and the spreadsheet part of those office suites is the roughest one until today.
But my comment was more about how much of our economy probably runs on Excel. And I experienced how badly Excel and for example LibreOffice Calc plays together, it makes switching very hard. A complex .xlsx is far from being rendered and calculated correctly in LibreOffice.
Yeah that’s fair. Many many many of my coworkers heavily rely on excel so I can understand this. I just really don’t like using it personally. It’s like vscode too much stuff thrown at me at once when I don’t need like 99%. Just let me write a script
I raise you a quick SQL query. Admittedly I’m a data engineer but I hate graphical tools that abstract code away from me.
That's wonderful you are a data engineer, but in a normal business setting most people are not. I'm the only one at my company who knows SQL exists. But everyone knows what Excel is, everyone knows at least the basics of using it. Even if I got my coworkers familiar with and writing SQL (which is a laughable thought) there are still clients.
Data is everywhere, and Excel has been the default program for light data analysis for decades. I hate it as much as the next person, but right now it's inescapable and irreplaceable.
Excel/Access is literally the only reason I ever boot to Windows anymore.
Nobody is your friend... but at least proton isnt logging your data and selling ads into your inbox.... that's good enough for me...
Check your threat model... 90% of people arent doing direct action that needs protection from nation states.... and proton isnt big enough to protect you from nation states. (pretty sure they tell you that they have to comply with legal, swiss laws)
Stop trying to scare people into going back to gmail.... there will always be flaws in proton/tuta/whatever mail service....
Go try running your own email if you truly need perfect privacy and anonymity
100% agree with your take.
Why scare people looking to ditch google with stupid stuff like "but they complied with the government", bruh google complies with anyone who has their wallet in-hand.
ProtonMail is a free inbox and is privacy friendly. Yes there are other options, but this isn't a bad one by any means.
No. The reasons the user gave against using ProtonMail are applicable to any and all commercial entities providing email service. It’s not even something you could accomplish yourself.
Or searchable email bodies...on my phone. Which is where I'd need it most.
That would be nice as well
There's also Collabora Office
With all these web based office suites popping up, I wonder if anybody needs these? It seems like a solution pushed onto us that nobody asked for. Everybody I know is still using MS Office or Libreoffice and everybody seems to agree that office on mobile devices sucks.
Did proton fire Andy yet? Fucking Nazi bootlicker
Yes!! I remember submitting feedback about this being a must have feature ages ago. Excited to get it
Good news! Unfortunately I'm not sold on having to have a bridge to access their email using Thinderbird, so I'm not subscribing Proton Unlimited "suite". Also no working Linux client for Proton Drive (rclone's is unmaintained and not working).
It is technically impossible at the moment to keep your emails end-to-end encrypted and not have to use a bridge for your client of choice. It will only be possible if your client of choice partners with Proton to integrate them, or if a standard for e2e encrypted emails pops up and both Proton and your client adopt it.
I used to think they would Excel.
You have my Word on that
Does if have FILTER, array formulas, spill zones, MAP, data tables, query engines, SQL engine etc etc?
To compete with Word: Easy. To compete with Excel: Very, very difficult (pretty much only Google Sheets have managed).
It’s not competing with word, it’s competing with Google Sheets.
Google Sheets is competing with Excel. Proton Sheets is competing with Google Sheets. So Proton Sheets is competing with Excel.
I used Word as a comparative example to say that parts of the office/docs suite are easy to compete with (there’s only so may things a word processor can do), while others (like Google Sheets or Excel, whichever order you prefer) is incredibly difficult to compete with; a formatting error on import of a Word doc is acceptable. An unsupported formula ruins the entire thing.
that's what cryptpad.fr does
I haven't found any issues with it. The problem with making their own is that the MS Office file formats are purposefully poorly documented with the spec being over 6000 pages long and MS Office itself not adhering to it. It would be best to start with something where most of the work is done for them.
+1 onlyoffice
i mean i still use proton + LibreOffice, sheets isn't a big deal for me.
I've been using open / FOSS versions on Android and desktop for a while. Save those files to Proton Drive. The proton sheets variant needs to compete with those. Initial advantage will be the ability to view docs or spreadsheets natively rather than needing to download. Something Proton has actively NOT done when so many others have found it easy enough.
In the coming months, we hope to find ways to make Standard Notes more easily accessible to the Proton community
But that post was written 1.5 years ago lol
IIRC Proton acquired Standard Notes
Proton Glass, please?
pretty sure you can use docs for notes.
Why would someone use Fastmail when there’s protonmail?
Well you got me there.
AND, it's mail. What's not to like?
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