cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/5636484
GrayBoltWolf 1 point 3 years ago
For real, if google didn’t completely screw up messaging every single year it wouldn’t be as big of a deal.
GrayBoltWolf 2 points 3 years ago
Hangouts was already the iMessage competitor. Video, voice, high res photos and videos, etc with SMS fallback. But as usual google kills every good product they create.
dyathinkhesaurus 137 points 3 years ago
As a mobile app developer, I lost count of how many times Android would implement something New And Shiny, and then Apple would come along, sometimes years later, implement that same thing for iOS and declare and market it as Magical and Revolutionary. Usually the iOS one would be a better one, because they'd let Android work most of the bugs out, but I don't recall too many things that Apple did that had never been seen before.
techgearwhips 28 points 3 years ago
Yes. I remember being argued down that "we don't need copy and paste! That's not an important feature!". Smh
Buddahriffic 11 points 3 years ago
Right click!? Two mouse buttons are way too confusing for Mac users!
techgearwhips 4 points 3 years ago
Oh man I forgot about that one! 😂😭
dyathinkhesaurus 2 points 3 years ago
What's the key combo for right click on macos, if your track pad and mouse aren't working? No one knows... Or can tell me. They always say "jUsT gEt aNothER mOUse"... Yeah dickhead, I'm on a plane, what's the key combination?
Windows it's shift+f10.
dyathinkhesaurus 2 points 3 years ago
I remember this!
ArcaneSlime 7 points 3 years ago
Oh shit they have widgets now? Still no app drawer though I bet.
ArcaneSlime 5 points 3 years ago
Ayy they caught up. Do the icons still forcibly tile to home?
techgearwhips 4 points 3 years ago
Yes we have an app drawer now lol (I use an iPhone as my secondary phone).
MusketeerX 5 points 3 years ago
This is so true.
For 10 years (2011 to 2021) I carried both an Android phone (personal) and an iPhone (work provided). Both phones were updated about every 2 years.
Over those years I've watched IOS get closer and closer to Android. The funny thing is Android has also been creeping towards IOS in some areas, though that is to a lesser extent than the other way around.
In recent years they've gotten pretty close to each other in basic functionality.
I still prefer Android, but IOS is much less annoying to use than it was a decade ago.
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CmdrShepard 32 points 3 years ago
If he'd made it to Covid times, he would have died from Covid after injecting bleach and horse dewormer failed to alleviate the illness.
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scarabic 6 points 3 years ago
The guy had no furniture in his house because he couldn’t find any that met his expectations.
I think there’s an occasional lesson to draw from his uncompromising nature, focus on customer experience, and marketing talent. But he was clearly a pile of shit as a human being.
SinningStromgald 34 points 3 years ago
Goes to show how stupid supposedly smart people are.
DragonTypeWyvern 3 points 3 years ago
Say what you will about Jobs, I don't think he wanted to genocide anyone.
ShortFuse 43 points 3 years ago
As a PocketPC (WinMo) user before the iPhone even existed, I take offense to the claim.
They pioneered capacitive touchscreen for ease of use, but I had ditched dumb phones years before iPhone.
Note XDA refers to the old Windows Mobile XDA phone and then became an Android community. I was there for that transition and none of us were very impressed with the iPhone, but understood that it would be something for the tech illiterate would eat up.
When Android came out, we went from Custom Roms for WinMo to Custom ROMs for Android.
HiddenLayer5 22 points 3 years ago
Not just Windows Mobile, but Blackberry OS, Palm OS, Symbian, not to mention the madlads hacking Linux onto feature phones (which eventually gave us PostMarketOS). iOS was actually very underwhelming when it came out, was(is) explicitly function over form and basically had(has) "it looks pretty and feels sleek" as its only selling points. Didn't even have third party apps whereas most of its contemporaries had them for ages by then.
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phillaholic 1 point 3 years ago
They both are. Woz wanted to create hobbyist boards without even casing. Jobs was the one that pushed for commercial use. Separately they probably wouldn’t have had anywhere near the impact as they did together. At best Woz would be Linus Torvalds.
RegalPotoo 34 points 3 years ago
I thought I was in "!android" not "!IHateApple".
Whatever you think of Steve Jobs, Android is better off for having competition
lowleveldata 27 points 3 years ago
What did Android steal from Apple? Headphone jacks?
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BaroqueInMind 27 points 3 years ago
I mean maybe the idea of central app store that forbids installation of applications from other sources?
You mean like a Linux repository that existed before Apple "invented" the concept and renamed it an app store?
MyFairJulia 12 points 3 years ago
Didn't we all end up just stealing a lot of todays shit from Xerox PARC anyway?
Fuck the slide to unlock discussion, let's talk about representing hierarchies of files in a file system as folders in a graphical environment and why the thing that shows our position on a screen is a slanted arrow.
exscape -21 points 3 years ago
I certainly don't take their side... but smartphones DIDN'T exist before the iPhone. Which phone would you say that was? BlackBerry?
Most people think of smartphones as a big touchscreen, and the iPhone was first, being released on June 29 2007, whereas the first Android phone was released over a year later in September 2008.
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LucasWaffyWaf 13 points 3 years ago
Mate I own a pre-iphone smart phone. What are you on about?
If you really wanna go back far enough, the first handheld, portable device which had both phone and computer technologies in one package dates as far back as the mid 90s. Touch screen and all. The term smartphone would first be coined in 1995. Heaps of other touch screen devices that could do phone calls, SMS, and had a suite of apps would come out in later years as PalmOS and later Pocket PC/Windows Mobile came to fruition in the late 90s/early 2000s. The iPhone was just iterating off technology and features already being seen in smartphones at the time, just in a sleeker, smoother, simpler manner with a capacitive touch screen rather than the resistive touch screens of most common devices at the time. Heck, the iPhone wasn't even the first phone with a capacitive touch screen.
RobotToaster 5 points 3 years ago
The handspring visor phone launched in 2000 was arguably the first smartphone.
snooggums 6 points 3 years ago
"The whole concept of a touchscreen device..." is something that prior fictional examples prove false. They did not come up with the concept, but they did implement a prior concept.
"Nobody thought of it" and "nobody made it before" are two different things. Apple even pretended the second was true when they weren't even first to market on several of their products.
grysbok 3 points 3 years ago
My understanding is that patents are to protect novel new ideas. If something's already bean described in fiction, what innovation is protected by the patent?
So, I'd think "it's a tablet" wouldn't be patentable because that was described in Star Trek. But, "screen technology blah that makes tablets practical "would be patentable.
Neat post on related topic: https://fia.umd.edu/...
phillaholic 1 point 3 years ago
Not exactly, patents have to be specific, not generic, and Apple purchased the company that invented multi-touch.
danc4498 -25 points 3 years ago
The iPhone was a novel concept as a whole. I think that’s undeniable. There was nothing like it at the time.
edit: found the iPhone haters and their revisionist history. The iPhone changed everything. When it was announced, nothing like it existed. Before the iPhone, google was working on a blackberry clone, for instance.
RobotToaster 14 points 3 years ago
Windows mobile and palm had existed for years before iphone.
phillaholic 1 point 3 years ago
Why do you suppose both those companies fell off the face of the earth right after the iPhone came out? How many 12 year olds had them? The paradigm clearly shifted after the iPhone came out.
520 9 points 3 years ago
There were a bunch of products that had elements of the iPhone in them, but the iPhone was the first to bring a lot of them together into a technology that made the world shit it's pants.
The problem for Apple is, you cannot really patent nor copyright bringing together existing elements like that. Hence they had to rely on stupid sounding lawsuits on the tiniest things they actually had the patents for.
AlmightySnoo 8 points 3 years ago
Just as novel as the whole graphical desktop concept which they claim to be the ones who invented it but always forget to state that Steve Jobs stole it from Xerox? By Steve's words, everything Apple does today is a "stolen product".
IHeartBadCode 18 points 3 years ago
In the end Samsung would owe Apple around $500 million in US courts and Apple lost (a value I'm not even going to sit here and add up) in international courts.
The whole US snafu was largely seen around the world as American protectionism. As for Apple and Google, Apple saw their case wasn't as slam dunk internationally and decided to settle with Google in 2014.
Really though, once Steve Jobs died, the momentum for litigation dropped precipitously. Only Jobs was willing to go thermonuclear.
phillaholic 1 point 3 years ago
The Samsung lawsuits were kinda different. Samsung has a long history of flat out copying competitors. There are ample examples of icons being taken and reused, and all of their previous phones were clones of blackberry and windows phone. Once they stopped doing that they actually started finding their own UI language and make great products.
outbound5231 13 points 3 years ago
I was kind of hoping that these kinds of posts would stay at reddit where they belong.
Deftdrummer 20 points 3 years ago
Awesome, with low post counts and users on Lemmy, and an upvote system that mimics Reddits - your shit out of luck with whatever agenda for keeping lemmy "small" or however you pictured it in your mind.
The upvotes have spoken and the community wants to see this type of information.
MargotRobbie 2 points 3 years ago
We can discuss in the feedback thread since I feel this is getting close to breaking Rule 6.
I don't think this post needs mod action, you are all grown-ups (or should at least, act like grown-ups here), but I would still like to encourage less low effort posts in the future.
Deftdrummer 9 points 3 years ago
Is it low effort though? There's an entire generation that wasn't around for the introduction of the iPhone and may have no idea this quote even existed.
Android currently has an image problem with this generation. To say the two are not related and chalking it up to "low effort" is, in itself, low effort.
MargotRobbie 1 point 3 years ago
This isn't even a Steve Jobs quote, it's a Picasso quote.
I'd say posting a screenshot of a quote and a title is pretty low effort. Write a sentence or two of your own thoughts in the text box when you submit something, it's not that hard.
phillaholic 1 point 3 years ago
Yes Picasso, famous artists who paints pictures like everyone else… hmm, perhaps the quote doesn’t mean what everyone assumes it does.
Deftdrummer 1 point 3 years ago
Alright smartass, it effectively became his quote when he referenced and repeated it and applied it to his specific industry.
This generation may also have no awareness of the Picasso quote either, ya pedantic smartass.
phillaholic 3 points 3 years ago
That top quote doesn’t mean what you think it means.
The bottom lacks vital context. Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google was on the Apple board during the development of the iPhone and iPad and was privy to insider information all awhile pivoting Android from a blackberry rip off to exactly what Apple was doing. It’s similar to the Xerox thing back in the 80s where people think Jobs is being a hypocrite about ripping off their GUI when Bill Gates did it too. Apple paid Xerox in stock to see it, Microsoft just took it. Not illegal, but Jobs was pissed.
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