China stages record drills designed to encircle Taiwan

10 months ago by MicroWave to c/world

China launched its most extensive war games around Taiwan on Monday to showcase Beijing's ability to cut off the island from outside support in a conflict, testing Taipei's resolve to defend itself and its arsenal of U.S.-made weapons.

The Eastern Theatre Command said it had deployed troops, warships, fighter jets and artillery for its "Justice Mission 2025" exercises to encircle the democratically governed island, conduct live fire and simulated strikes on land and sea targets, and drills to blockade Taiwan's main ports.

The live-firing exercises will continue on Tuesday across a record seven zones designated by China's Maritime Safety Administration, making the drills the largest to date by total coverage and in areas closer to Taiwan than previous exercises. The military had initially said artillery firing would be confined to five zones.

kami 157 points 10 months ago

WHHHAAAATTTTTT??!??!!!?

But all Lemmy.ml dwellers said China is not an imperialist country!!!!

This must be some shitty western propaganda!!!

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HazardousBanjo 60 points 10 months ago

Did you read the fine print?

.ml: "China is not imperialist*"

"*because all of Asia, all islands, all African countries and all South American countries already belong to China"

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BoJackHorseman -41 points 10 months ago
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HazardousBanjo 22 points 10 months ago

Prove it.

You just made a falsifiable statement.

Don't just spread tankie shit. Prove it.

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BoJackHorseman -18 points 10 months ago
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truthfultemporarily -30 points 10 months ago

I just want to point out that this is not like for example Italy invading Africa. ROC was the government of mainland China before the revolution, they fled to Taiwan which used to be a part of China. Both ROC and the PRC think they are the true rulers of all of China, meaning both Taiwan and Mainland. If ROC would be militarily stronger, it would probably plan to invade the PRC.

People may or may not think that that is imperialist, but at least it should be taken into consideration.

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pupbiru 15 points 10 months ago

and both positions are wrong. nobody ever said that the ROC wasn’t imperialist in the exact same way

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JustTesting 9 points 10 months ago

Parent comment is also wrong, and as usual things are much more complicated than made out to be. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/... plus China essentially pressuring Taiwan into adhering to the status quo so as to not lose its casus belli.

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Socialism_Everyday -41 points 10 months ago

Does this make Estonia an imperialist country in your opinion?

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REDACTED 34 points 10 months ago

Why is it that talkies are having a very hard time understanding a difference between training to invade vs training to defend?

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Socialism_Everyday -18 points 10 months ago

From the article itself:

The exercises began 11 days after the U.S. announced $11.1 billion in arms sales to Taiwan

How is China the aggressor here? Imagine if Cuba suddenly imported $11bn in weapons from Russia, do you think that would warrant no reaction from the US administration?

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davidagain 20 points 10 months ago

"I had to kill him, officer, he was attending self defence classes with the intent to hit me."

/s

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papertowels 1 point 9 months ago

Soooo China is building sophisticated, highly specialized barges for establishing a beachhead without a harbor and moving heavy machinery across. These would be pretty helpful in a sustained campaign against Taiwan.

These ships happen to be able to connect to the many Chinese "civilian" roll on-roll off (roro) ferries that are built to military spec and can handle Chinese tanks.

These "civilian" roros happen to participate in military exercises.

Considering this all took place well before the arms deal, that's probably a good reason why China can be considered the aggressor. Maybe the $11.1 billion in arms deals is in response to that?

There's also xi jinping saying that the unification of Taiwan and China is "unstoppable" in a speech today, right after these military exercises.

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Socialism_Everyday -24 points 10 months ago

"No, you see, my side is the good one and the defensive one in the upcoming war"

-Every nation in every single war in history

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REDACTED 15 points 10 months ago

Whoever is trying to capture territory from the other side is the invader by definition, putting the other side on the defence, as per definition.

Are you saying Estonia wants to invade Russia? Dude's clown costume's made from diamonds

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GhostedIC 9 points 10 months ago

Are you worried Taiwan is going to invade Beijing? Is chinas army that incompetent?

I mean, it would be cool if they did but I don't think even corrupt Chinese generals are that worthless.

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BoJackHorseman -28 points 10 months ago
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Natanael 13 points 10 months ago

CCP never had a claim on Taiwan

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falseWhite 16 points 10 months ago
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Socialism_Everyday -22 points 10 months ago

Oh, so you support North Korea's military expenditure to protect itself from the USA? Should Cuba buy $11bn in military armament to defend itself from tyrant USA? You also rightfully support Hamas in its defense against Israel?

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zenitsu 15 points 10 months ago

Wasn't aware that the US was trying to annex North Korea and Cuba lmao

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zbyte64 7 points 10 months ago

I mean I more or less support any country to develop military power to defend themselves, from the USA or any others. It's the application of military power to practice realpolitik that I don't support.

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INHALE_VEGETABLES 12 points 10 months ago

Laughably incomparable.

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Socialism_Everyday -20 points 10 months ago

Yeah, Estonia are 'The Good White Guys™' whereas China are 'Le Evil Asiatic Empire'

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ManixT 15 points 10 months ago

Are you mentally ill or something? That was a defensive exercise and this has nothing to do with race.

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Slayan 8 points 10 months ago

WHATABOUT THIS!! ---->>> WHATABOUT THAT!! <---- WHATABOUT THERE!! ^ NOW WHATABOUT THESE!

Ever seen a headless chicken fighting for his life?

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comfy 2 points 10 months ago

That's not whataboutism at all, that's extrapolating the logic of a claim to another case in order to test it.

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frisbird -62 points 10 months ago

Interesting that would consider it imperialism when a country does a military exercise on the coast of their own country near an island that was stripped away from one's direct control by imperialists when the military exercise is specifically to confirm readiness for the thing that the imperialists keep saying they are going to do - establish greater and greater military presence in the region.

Remember, you likely already agree that the US is an imperialist force, the largest in the world. Does the US deploy its military for good reasons or is it an abusive bully? If China says that it hears the US threats to build up military surrounding China and in particular in Taiwan, is it consistent for us to believe the US is telling the truth this time?

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LibertyLizard 62 points 10 months ago

The CPC never controlled Taiwan so it's inaccurate to say it was stripped from them.

US being imperialistic doesn't make encirclement and threats towards an autonomous island any less imperialistic. That's just whataboutism.

If the CPC only cared about the security of their coastline then this aggressive military strategy makes little sense because it's only likely to increase the risk of conflict. Pursuing peace and closer ties with Taiwan would disarm the whole reason they have for working with the US. But of course that would require the CPC to respect their autonomy, which imperialists will never do.

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brucethemoose -9 points 10 months ago

They can’t do that because NATO imperialists are forcing their hand. Obviously.

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frisbird -27 points 10 months ago

Political parties don't control territory. Nation states do. The island of Taiwan is a province of the nation state of China - it was ceded to the Japanese imperialist who invaded China and took Taiwan from China making it part of Japan (not part of a specific party in Japan) and then the nation state of China, collaboratively amongst its political factions, liberated the island and restored it as territory of the nation state of China.

This talking point about the CPC never owning it is a category error and you would never imagine making such claims about Labor or Conservatives owning this or that part of England, or Texas being the rightful property of Republicans or New York being the rightful property of Democrats. This use of language is double speak.

As for defending against US aggression being whataboutism, that's not even close to being n accurate use of the phrase. For example, when Russia stationed nuclear weapons in Cuba, the US threatened total nuclear annihilation because it was threatened by what was a consensual agreement between two independent nations. The US making it very clear that they were going to bring their military might to Asia, while expanding their drone war and demolishing a half dozen countries is a far greater threat than the USSR ever was to the USA, but for some reason you bootlickers want to pretend that the US moving 2/3rds of their naval assets to the Pacific theater and constantly writing strategic assessments about whether the US could win a nuclear war if it encircled its opponents with sufficient offensive and defensive capabilities. The US's interest in Taiwan is nothing more than as an unsinkable aircraft carrier that produces computer chips (which, btw it has been trying desperately to bring into the US so that it can use Taiwan exclusively as a war zone).

Whataboutism would be saying that China is allowed to kill 500K Taiwanese children because the US killed 500K Iraqi children. Realpolitik is recognizing that China has a requirement to be hyper vigilant regarding everything on its coastline and nearby waterways and islands because the US and UK have been abundantly clear that they are not happy that China has recovered from the Opium War and the subjugation that followed and that the imperialists have no problem with killing people anywhere in the world if it means advancing the interests of their ruling class.

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LibertyLizard 11 points 10 months ago

In one party states there is no distinction between the party and the state. If labor used its control of the government to outlaw, imprison, and murder everyone who tried to organize against them for 70 years then it would be reasonable to make a similar statement about their possession of say, Ireland. Not that they were ever entitled to Ireland, nor was China ever entitled to Taiwan.

I don't acknowledge the territorial claims of nation-states since they're made up anyway. There's no moral justification for the idea that because some other political group that also called itself China once controlled Taiwan that it now belongs to the party that fought a war against the controllers of the island and exiled them there. Do you not see how crazy that is?

The only people who have a claim to Taiwan are the people who live there and they do not seem interested in being subjugated by the CPC.

For the record, the Cuban missile crisis was also created by a failed, imperialist foreign policy. If they had established peaceful relations with Cuba, there never would have been such a crisis. Just as I'm saying with Taiwan. Furthermore, the arms furnished to Taiwan are extremely different and less destructive than nuclear weapons. If the US decided to offer those to Taiwan, I imagine the reaction would be far more extreme than war games. It's simply not comparable. I personally don't think the US is much of a threat to China but perhaps that can be debated.

By the way, it's incredibly ironic to call me a bootlicker as you apologize for imperial aggression against Taiwan... while I've done no such thing. I'll openly acknowledge that the US gov is a destabilizing malevolent force in the pacific. Something you'll never admit about the CPC despite abundant evidence.

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cygnus 25 points 10 months ago

an island that was stripped away from one’s direct control by imperialists

Can you elaborate on this? I love watching gymnastics.

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frisbird -17 points 10 months ago

During the Chinese civil war, the PLA defeated the KMT and the KMT fled to the island province of Taiwan, a part of the nation state of China.

The US and British navies protected the KMT during their retreat and afterward, essentially creating a protectorate out of the island while the KMT prosecuted the fascist White Terror, with mass killings and political repression for the next 40 years, only adopting a liberal democratic formation once the Brits established a similar one in Hong Kong, which was another imperialist holding stripped away from China.

That you don't know this about the history of the island you claim as your cause is unsurprising

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cygnus 10 points 10 months ago

My question was how exactly it was "stripped away from the CCP's control", which you didn't address at any point in your colourful answer. You yourself admit it was always Republican territory. so which is it, then?

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Gammelfisch -1 points 10 months ago

You failed to mention the KMT did the vast the majority of fighting against Imperial Japan, while the shitbag Mao and hi CCP thugs hid in western China. After Mao took control, while murdering over 70 million Chinese, he thanked the Japanese for weakening the KMT.

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kami 16 points 10 months ago

Poor China trying to defend itself from the boolies 😭

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frisbird -33 points 10 months ago

LOL - as though it's not believable to think that a country that hasn't dropped a single bomb in 35 years might be concerned about the most violent nation in the world continuing to destroy country after country announcing "the pivot to Asia" in 2008 as they expanded drone warfare beyond anything the world had ever seen as we watched video after video of double tap strikes, bombings if weddings, funerals, hospitals, and schools and now we watch as that bully double taps fisherman in the Caribbean. To say that the US is not an existential threat to literally every country in the world is to allow your entire worldview to be shaped by centuries-old Yellow Peril propaganda

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Typhoon 17 points 10 months ago

This is all whataboutism and has nothing to do with China threatening to invade Taiwan.

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Gammelfisch 41 points 10 months ago

Fuck the CCP and PLA. Free West Taiwan.

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Alcoholicorn 0 points 10 months ago

Lets say tomorrow, the US manages to occupy the entirety of mainland China, and schedules elections for next week. Who do you think the people of mainland China elect? A business-friendly lib who promises American companies will invest in resource extraction and privatization or reelect the guys who brought a billion people from poverty and regular famine to first world living standards within living memory?

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Natanael 9 points 10 months ago

Elected by who? You're definitely going to see very different opinions by different ethnicities

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Alcoholicorn -3 points 10 months ago

Do you think they'd prefer getting fucked by capitalism like the former SSRs were in the 90s, or autonomy within China, like they have now?

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Natanael 8 points 10 months ago

Oppressed minorities tend to avoid authoritarian states

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ManixT 6 points 10 months ago

Former SSRs are doing much better now than when they were vassal states and resource producers for Moscow.

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bobzer 1 point 10 months ago path: 0 21266534 21269935 21273963, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 4
Alcoholicorn 6 points 10 months ago

That was a regular occurrence before, it hasn't since.

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bobzer 2 points 10 months ago

But since the 1950s what other country has had a famine on the same scale? The USSR?

It was directly due to CCP mismanagement. It's really not fair to credit them with ending famine when they caused the most deadly famine on earth.

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3abas 4 points 10 months ago

Regular as in recurring.

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catsarebadpeople 0 points 10 months ago

What? Lol. This is complete nonsense

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Tollana1234567 38 points 10 months ago

another distraction from chinas intenral problems, by threatening taiwan again.

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minorkeys 13 points 10 months ago

It isn't a distraction, it's live exercises to test and refine their capabilities.

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INHALE_VEGETABLES 8 points 10 months ago

What internal problems?

Genuine question, I am woefully unaware of most things china.

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despite_velasquez 27 points 10 months ago path: 0 21271185 21272424 21272577, hotness: undefined, score: 27, children: 6
Earthman_Jim 4 points 10 months ago

Isn't that a problem everywhere at the moment?

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gustofwind 1 point 10 months ago

Is it?

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INHALE_VEGETABLES 3 points 10 months ago

Sounds grim, thanks.

I guess I just see shit like them building a factory in a week and assume they are doing well but it's probably propaganda.

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despite_velasquez 2 points 10 months ago

They are doing impressive projects, not gonna lie, but the whole "class struggle" spiel has been over for some time now

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mojofrododojo 3 points 10 months ago

LGBTQ rights in China are.... complicated. LGBTQ rights aren't spelled out, leaving things ambiguous - but no same sex marriage, no pride orgs shut down, lots of workplace aggression and discrimination with no protections at all.... homosexuality is decriminalized but there's no trans rights. so yeah, that could be better.

social credit scores are downright orwellian - they experimented with these in some cities in the 2010-2020 decade but t hen nationalized all the private solutions they tried... not sure even they know if they want to continue but - hypothetically - anyone can report you for.... anything that disturbs the peace or what the ccp thinks is the ideal order - your social credit score gets dinged, then you could have trouble with all kinds of stuff - make it harder receive loans, obtain a visa for travel, etc.

compared to us credit scores, it's probably not that big of a deal (we let three companies decided who gets loans for houses, based on.... voodoo afaik. the way credit scores are compiled is pretty opaque).

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WanderingThoughts 37 points 10 months ago

Now Taiwan knows where to install the sea mines.

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enki 29 points 10 months ago

The replies to this post are a goldmine for tankie accounts to block

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slaacaa 7 points 10 months ago

Wanted to comment the same. Love it, keep the whining tankies coming, I’m getting an accurate blocklist with zero effort

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Technoworcester 5 points 10 months ago

Christ. It's like shooting fish in a barrel with this thread.

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gustofwind 24 points 10 months ago

Controversial opinion: war is bad 🫢

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Blade9732 21 points 10 months ago

Sounds like Taiwan should sign a contract building Sea babies and Sub Baby for Ukraine, just make sure to build a few thousand extra for "future supplies".

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Asfalttikyntaja 17 points 10 months ago

Another three days special operation is underway.

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RalfWausE 14 points 10 months ago
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TipsyMcGee 1 point 10 months ago
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HugeNerd 1 point 10 months ago

OTOH if civilization falls, the things you'll have to do the 6th will be like nothing you have ever experienced. Careful what you wish for.

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scarabic 10 points 10 months ago

“If I did it, here’s how I would do it”

By OJ Simpson the CCP

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FE80 8 points 10 months ago path: 0 21279347, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
DarrinBrunner 8 points 10 months ago path: 0 21260101, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 1
testfactor 23 points 10 months ago

I feel like their analysis is, "it would be costly and risky so they probably won't do it," which could be said for literally any war ever. I'm not sure I find it a particularly compelling argument.

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jpreston2005 8 points 10 months ago

yeah and what happens when at the last moment they decide this isn't a "drill?" oops! looks like all Taiwans allies were too busy doin fuck all, and now it's under president poohs control

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Agent641 7 points 10 months ago

Naval blockades don't really work when your adversary has a limitless supply of antiship missiles

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cygnus 22 points 10 months ago

Taiwan's military is surprisingly ramshackle, unless you mean the US? I'm not sure they can reliably be considered an adversary of China anymore. Xi could buy a few million of Trump's crypto and all would be forgiven.

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Agent641 2 points 10 months ago

Doesn't Taiwan have well over a thousand modern ASMs in inventory, and manufacturing hundreds more annually? How would mainland China enforce an encirclement by sea for any length of time with that sort of threat?

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bufalo1973 4 points 10 months ago

I hope they don't engage in a war. China can bomb all Taiwan and destroy everything and lose on the process a lot of people and resources. If China is not a fool, and I don't think it is, the best path is to wait (and maybe push) for a second civil war in the US to have the upper hand in a possible reunification talk. And this drills would be just showing muscle before sitting to talk with Taiwan.

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cygnus 2 points 10 months ago

AFAIK they don't have that many of the newer ASMs, and anyway a thousand isn't really that many, especially given that Taiwan's missiles are on the smaller end of the spectrum - we're not talking KH-22 sizes here.

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Agent641 0 points 10 months ago

It doesn't take too many ASMs to sink some really important assets. Size isn't really important, if one of the mainland's carriers is within a couple hundred KMS of Taiwan, then it's in the kill zone. Supersonic maneuvering missiles that work in gps-denied environments and can be sea, air and land launched are just the sort of weapon that works great in an asymmetric conflict and to break naval blockades. The blocader has to defend against every single inbound, the adversary only needs to get one missile through the defenses

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Tollana1234567 1 point 10 months ago

XI did give ivanka trademark registrations.

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ag10n 1 point 10 months ago

Ah yes, the infamous ramshackle F35

10 cent army out in force

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cygnus 1 point 10 months ago

10 cent army? I want to see Taiwan armed to the teeth. They can't solo the CCP in their current state.

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ag10n -2 points 10 months ago

No one is soloing anyone, including China and Russia

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ZILtoid1991 0 points 10 months ago

Or promise to drop the "cosplaying in red" part of their "communism".

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frongt 3 points 10 months ago

Well the supply isn't limitless, so

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Agent641 3 points 10 months ago

Well neither is the PLANs supply of artificial reefs

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frongt 2 points 10 months ago

No, but they can build faster than Taiwan. And I'm sure they have some CIWS that will reduce the number of missiles that hit, so it's a pure numbers game.

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frisbird -10 points 10 months ago

They certainly do work in a world where the naval blockade is literally only a few miles from your own shoreline and MAD is on the table

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Agent641 6 points 10 months ago

You can't enforce a naval blockade when the adversary is flush with ASMs is all I'm saying. And you can't enforce a naval blockade with only subs either.

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frisbird -9 points 10 months ago

I wonder why the word blockade is not in quotes. Perhaps it's editorializing from the author and not something the PLA actually said

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qarbone 3 points 10 months ago

I need to take a shower. I thought the headline was talking about actual drills, and I could only think "what in the Dr. Evil plot could this mean?". As if China was going to drill through the ground and dig up Taiwan.

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betterdeadthanreddit 2 points 10 months ago

What's some cool stuff to visit in China that isn't close to (or is upwind of) military installations or industrial centers? Asking for several thousand friends.

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bunchberry -13 points 10 months ago

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xxam925 -14 points 10 months ago

“Democratically controlled” just means controlled by capitalists. I’m tired of the trope.

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REDACTED 13 points 10 months ago

What? Many European countries are not really capitalistic dystopias

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novibe 0 points 10 months ago

Example?

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dreadbeef -2 points 10 months ago

And they also cant defend themselves

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REDACTED 1 point 10 months ago

Yeah, that's a thing to consider. It's funny how the world has changed. Europe used to be the baddies, now it's mostly Russia and China.

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BoJackHorseman -15 points 10 months ago
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REDACTED 1 point 10 months ago

You're moving the blame from bad governance to the system itself being completely faulty/bad. Do you think poorly governed socialistic country would be more successful?

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BoJackHorseman 2 points 10 months ago
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INHALE_VEGETABLES 6 points 10 months ago

They can be both - and they can be great, sorry about your seething.

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despite_velasquez 3 points 10 months ago

I'm sure China is a Marxist-Leninist utopia (lmao people actually believe this)

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Socialism_Everyday -22 points 10 months ago

From the article:

The exercises began 11 days after the U.S. announced $11.1 billion in arms sales to Taiwan, the largest ever weapons package for the island

Surely Trump is just being a good guy selling weapons to heckin wholesome Republic of China (which not only claims officially the entirety of the Mainland, but also the entire country of Mongolia and many lands in Bhutan, Pakistan, India or even Japan). Come on, surely this US involvement in war is the correct one!

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REDACTED 12 points 10 months ago

I feel like anyone who says "Republic of China" is a CCP troll. The comment itself is unhinged. No, Taiwan does not want to conquer most of the Asia, this is simply about stopping another invasion. You're the baddies, leave others alone, no one wants to invade you.

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Danquebec 15 points 10 months ago

Taiwan keeps those claims and this official name because otherwise it would be perceived as declaring Taiwan as a sovereign state, and that would anger China. Such symbolic moves are not seen as worth the risk of Chinese agression by most, or a large part of the Taiwanese population.

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BoJackHorseman 2 points 10 months ago
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setsubyou 2 points 10 months ago

Madagascar got the same kind of attention from Europe during the colonial era. As a result the people there speak French, and Americans absolutely can’t deal with that.

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Socialism_Everyday -1 points 10 months ago

The picture is from Wikipedia, famous CCP troll organization?

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despite_velasquez 2 points 10 months ago

It's from a constitution written by a warmonger that called himself Generalissimo, in 1947, and imposed the longest (at the time) martial law. Since Taiwan's democratisation, any move to change even minor parts of the constitution are seen by China as reason for military intervention. The only way the PRC has claim to Taiwan is through a "succession of states", and that's why preventing Taiwan from rewriting a constitution written by a coloniser (the Republic of China) is important to them

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Socialism_Everyday 5 points 10 months ago

I agree with everything you said, I just tend not to support the continued states that stem from fascism and don't have institutional purges in the state apparatus and in the economic powers.

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despite_velasquez 2 points 10 months ago

If I state a nation claims territories, I tend to prioritise first hand sources from the nation in question, rather than second-hand, crowdsourced statements. After a quick translation:

The Republic of China was established in 1912, becoming Asia's first democratic republic. On December 7, 1949, the government of the Republic of China relocated to Taiwan, administering the main island of Taiwan and its affiliated islands, the Penghu Islands, the Kinmen Islands, the Matsu Islands, the Dongsha Islands, the Zhongsha Islands, and the Nansha Islands. The total area under its effective jurisdiction is 36,197.3371 square kilometers.

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Socialism_Everyday 2 points 10 months ago

Your source is talking about de-facto control, not de-jure claims, and doesn't contradict my previous comment on territorial claims at all. It specifically says "under its effective jurisdiction", i.e. de-facto control.

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Darkness343 -53 points 10 months ago

Let's gooo, cheaper electronics if they win.

Unobtainable computers if the americant's mess this up

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Korhaka 24 points 10 months ago

War doesn't usually improve output of civilian goods

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pulsewidth 16 points 10 months ago

12580

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Socialism_Everyday -57 points 10 months ago

The USA routinely does military exercises in the Taiwan strait. China has a right to defend itself from US+Taiwan aggression.

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lemmydividebyzero 19 points 10 months ago

And to defend myself I simulate how to invade my neighbor country... Sure.... "Defense"...

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Socialism_Everyday -9 points 10 months ago

The post literally says:

China launched its most extensive war games around Taiwan on Monday to showcase Beijing’s ability to cut off the island from outside support in a conflict

Cutting Taiwan from US support in case of conflict is famously NOT invasion, it's defense against US attacks.

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lemmydividebyzero 15 points 10 months ago

Sure, buddy... And Russia is also just defending themselves from NATO by invading Ukraine.

Even Xi said, he wants to rule Taiwan, if necessary, with military force, so please quit the bullshit... Thanks.

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Socialism_Everyday -3 points 10 months ago

Even Xi said, he wants to rule Taiwan, if necessary, with military force

Can you provide a source for this? I'm very interested

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zbyte64 3 points 10 months ago

Oh, so like when the USA does the same to Venezuela and Cuba it's just self defense like Trump says?

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Socialism_Everyday -1 points 10 months ago

The difference being that the USA actively murders hundreds of thousands of people in both countries through economic sanctioning, whereas China has enacted no economic blockade and is in fact Taiwan's largest economic partner.

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papertowels 1 point 10 months ago

To cut off the island from outside support in a conflict with...who?

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Socialism_Everyday -4 points 10 months ago

Conflict =/= invasion, though?

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Someone8765210932 12 points 10 months ago

You do know that the world isn't black and white, right? Both sides can be bad ...

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Socialism_Everyday -18 points 10 months ago

Both sides can be bad, doesn't mean both sides are equally bad. China hasn't carried out a military action in 4 decades.

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GhostedIC 14 points 10 months ago

So they should get to annex one little country, as a treat? Lol

(Also depending how you define military action, thats false. They keep having border scuffles with India for starters.)

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Socialism_Everyday -11 points 10 months ago

But China has not annexed Taiwan, you're talking in hypotheticals. If China invades Taiwan tomorrow, maybe we can discuss that, but as of now China hasn't done anything like that.

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Resonosity -14 points 10 months ago

The amount of anti-China programming in this comments section is crazy. Thanks for setting the record straight

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lemmydividebyzero 0 points 10 months ago

Yeah, there is the aggressor and the defender and they are equally bad!!!!!!!!!!1111111

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