TIL of RHYTHM 0 : A performance art piece in which Marina Abramović stood still for six hours while the audience could do whatever they wanted to her.

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Instructions: There are 72 objects on the table that one can use on me as desired.

Performance: I am the object. During this period I take full responsibility.

Duration: 6 hours (8pm–2am.) Studio Morra, Naples

Lmaydev 279 points 3 years ago

As Abramović described it later: "What I learned was that ... if you leave it up to the audience, they can kill you ... I felt really violated: they cut up my clothes, stuck rose thorns in my stomach, one person aimed the gun at my head, and another took it away. It created an aggressive atmosphere. After exactly 6 hours, as planned, I stood up and started walking toward the audience. Everyone ran away, to escape an actual confrontation."

I swear so many people are actual psychopaths and just good at hiding it.

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Shialac 122 points 3 years ago

A lot of people aren't even good at hiding it, their traits are just seen as virtues in our modern capitalist society

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Lmaydev 47 points 3 years ago

Couldn't agree more. Lack of empathy seems to be a requirement to get to the top.

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Franzia 13 points 3 years ago

The idea that you can climb at all is a myth. The psychopaths start at the top and stay there.

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doppelgangmember 2 points 3 years ago

ahem... rugged individualists*

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FinalRemix 7 points 3 years ago

In name only. A true individualist knows you're responsible for your own fucking behaviors..

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prole 60 points 3 years ago

"After exactly 6 hours, as planned, I stood up and started walking toward the audience. Everyone ran away, to escape an actual confrontation."

Sounds like the Internet in a nutshell

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cactusupyourbutt 53 points 3 years ago

what always stand out to me every time I come across this story is the person who took the gun away

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Lmaydev 33 points 3 years ago

Yeah it seemed the audience divided into attackers and protectors.

Genuinely a very interesting story.

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Star 11 points 3 years ago

I think it really proves the act as art to me. Feels like a definite statement, intentional or not

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Duamerthrax 40 points 3 years ago

What would you even do? If I saw this as an advertised event, I wouldn't go. Neither participating or spectating sounds very interesting. Only psychopaths are going to show up.

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DeejUnfazed 8 points 3 years ago

This sums it up for me. An invitation can be open to everyone, but the activity they're being invited to will determine what sort of people show up. When I read, "Come and do whatever you like to an unresisting human who will sit still for six hours," I immediately turn away--not just because I'm not interested in "doing whatever I like" to a person, but because I don't want to be in a room with the crowd of people that I imagine would want to do whatever they like to a person.

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IWantToFuckSpez 36 points 3 years ago

The authorities should recreate this act to use as a honeypot to identify all the psychos in society.

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glad_cat 28 points 3 years ago

You can start for free by testing all the middle-managers.

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dylanTheDeveloper 4 points 3 years ago

The British have something similar at Buckingham palace. Theirs these guards that just stand around being motionless as possible which attracts people who want to do funny shit to them. They attempt funny shit and get arrested

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CeruleanRuin 3 points 3 years ago

We already have systems in place to funnel ask the sociopaths into positions where they can be monitored by everyone. It's called capitalism and politics.

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Klear 1 point 3 years ago

And do what? Being a psycho isn't illegal in itself.

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raptir 2 points 3 years ago

Assault is, and much of what was done to her would qualify.

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null 3 points 3 years ago

Is it still assault if it's consensual?

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raptir 10 points 3 years ago

What the fuck. Like I'd throw some paint at her or draw something funny on her but my god.

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x4740N 7 points 3 years ago

Wait was the gun fake or real

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Drivebyhaiku 35 points 3 years ago

It was real and loaded. The actor was commited to any outcome including being murdered on stage.

The audience first tested the waters and gradually escalated to more extreme forms of violence. When the violence started the audience factionalized into those who were committed to stopping her from being shot, arguing and shaming aggressors or physically stepping in.

While I don't know if I can condone the piece ethically it certainly says more about human nature than most art pieces.

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pinkdrunkenelephants -3 points 3 years ago
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Drivebyhaiku 0 points 3 years ago

Weirdly I don't know if I could class her as a "poor woman" ? She was the one who set up all the objects on the table which included ones that were potentially lethal and she specified the parameters of the piece and very specifically could have stopped the performance at any time by moving of her own volition and speaking. She went into it accepting her own murder as a potential outcome and was committed to carrying on regardless of what happened. It being an art peice would not have protected a participant from a murder charge while assult charges have to be made by the victim of the assault... So there was at least that.

While she may not have been able to account for the long term psychological effects and may have had some initial optimism that people would not choose the darker options made available... I think terming her a "poor woman" might actually be dismissive of the actual volition and personal grit she had in the construction and performance of the piece? While it may have been ballsy to the point bordering madness dangerous stunt performances where athletes risk death for their audiences are a thing and those performers go in with the same expectation of potential fatality.

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nieceandtows 65 points 3 years ago

Wow she stood still while someone slashed her throat to drink her blood. That’s commitment.

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mysoulishome 94 points 3 years ago

The stuff they did boggles my mind such as cutting her with thorns, sexual assault. I don’t understand do they think because it’s “art” it isn’t a fucked up thing to do to a person?

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Poggervania 42 points 3 years ago

I wonder if it’s supposed to be part of the “art” - to show how depraved humans can be given a chance to do it scot-free.

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Lmaydev 63 points 3 years ago

Pretty sure that is literally the point of this.

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cactusupyourbutt 26 points 3 years ago

I always felt like this was the whole point of the performance

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infinipurple 8 points 3 years ago

Yeah, that's pretty much the point of this sort of endurance art.

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elbarto777 28 points 3 years ago
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mysoulishome 30 points 3 years ago

I agree she was prepared for it and expected it but still fucked. She didn’t tell them to be cruel…she just said they were allowed to. Reminds me of the Stanford prison experiment where you kind of give people a tacit permission to be evil…so they do and then we are confronted with the aftermath. I just can’t imagine I could cause someone’s skin to bleed purposefully and not feel awful…

Not the same but related…this guy was shot as an art piece

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_(Burden)

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rikudou 34 points 3 years ago

The Stanford prison experiment couldn't be replicated and the data are widely considered useless in psychologist community. Basically someone wanted to be famous so they created a shocking but fake study.

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MaryReadsBooks 18 points 3 years ago

The Stanford Prison Experiment was a sham and couldn't be replicated.

This Art project still seems gruesome....

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rambaroo 21 points 3 years ago

No shit she knew what they were going to do. That was the point. She was making a point about how inhumane people become when they think there are no consequences for their actions.

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elbarto777 5 points 3 years ago
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H2207 20 points 3 years ago

Even if the gun was loaded with a blank, at any distance where she can be the one holding it (assuming it's aimed at her) a blank would still do serious damage. When a blank is fired, solid propellant typically is ejected as well as ignited propellant and metal shavings. Too close and a blank is almost like birdshot.

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FlyingSquid 10 points 3 years ago

Brandon Lee was killed by a blank on the set of The Crow, wasn't he?

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Nollij 4 points 3 years ago

You're assuming a full-strength blank, like they use in Hollywood. It could be a round with little/no powder. That would show if someone fired, but would not actually be capable of harm.

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FinalRemix -3 points 3 years ago

At least the gun was deactivated.

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Enigma 5 points 3 years ago

Well, there is the Great Wall of Vagina(s).

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cactusupyourbutt 19 points 3 years ago

so I realize this is probably a controversial take, but is it really sexual assault in this case. She did consent to „everything“ basically

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killeronthecorner 17 points 3 years ago

It's a controversial take that has been the subject of all sorts of debate and even legislation. Some countries don't accept sweeping consent legally for anything, some people/groups think consent must be sought, etc.

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frazw 5 points 3 years ago

She did not explicitly state that she was OK with being touched sexually. Nor did she say she was OK being cut. She said anything goes but I believe monkey paw rules of language apply here. I would argue that the whole point here is that different people take the "permission" to different levels. I personally would never do anything to someone that I would not want done to myself unless and perhaps not even if they gave explicit permission. Here only implicit permission is given and the audience decided how far it went. Your point might have stood if there was some explicitly stated agreement that asexual acts are ok, but frankly I believe it is clear here that it does count as a violation at minimum.

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infinipurple 6 points 3 years ago

I dunno. I admire the idealism in your attitude here, but realistically we have to look at the words she herself used: "Instructions: There are 72 objects on the table that one can use on me as desired. Performance: I am the object. During this period I take full responsibility."

It strikes me that this quite explicitly states that there are no limits. I'm honestly somewhat surprised that she wasn't more seriously assaulted.

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Astroturfed 5 points 3 years ago

Ya, some things come to mind I'd normally call victim blaming but she basically invited people to fuck with her. If being assaulted in multiple ways didn't cross her mind she was living in a fantasy world. Groups of people are terrible, the larger the group the more terrible they are. One person will push a boundary and then another will take it further, so on and so forth until it's just.... Mob mentality is a real thing and it's not when you see the best of humanity.

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funkless_eck 7 points 3 years ago

I mean - that's the point though, right?

She probably knew it would be bad, it went further than she expected. It's still art.

Like how you climb a mountain, it goes bad, you lose a hand but survive, no (sane) person is like, "good."

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SCB 3 points 3 years ago

The point of this art is to show what humans become when they reduce a fellow person to an object.

Every person that harmed her in any way is fundamentally a bad person, but also shares a quality with all of us in that we can all choose to become that person at any time.

The goal of art like this is to get people to reflect upon these innate mentalities, not hopeful denial of their existence.

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infinipurple 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. She didn't set any limits and told them to do what they wanted to her. Amazing it wasn't worse in the end.

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JackbyDev 4 points 3 years ago

I agree but only in the most cold technical sense. That isn't what consent is supposed to look like though. If someone verbally consents but looks uncomfortable you should have the slightest shred of empathy to check in on them or wonder if they feel pressured to consent for whatever reason.

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pinkdrunkenelephants 0 points 3 years ago
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Numuruzero 2 points 3 years ago

I think legal semantics might just be beside the point. I believe she knew the possibility was there and accepted it, but the answer she was looking for is "how far does it go" when a person essentially publicly forfeits their rights. Blanket consent, the forfeiture of those rights, they don't fundamentally change that this is a person.

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BastingChemina 12 points 3 years ago

They are doing it because they can.

It probably means that they would do that to anyone is they know there will be no repercussions. Like someone who is passed out drunk or a child.

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mysoulishome 2 points 3 years ago

I agree. I guess I understand the argument that if someone says “hey I’m going to come up here and I want everyone to hurt me, physically and sexually” then people do…it isn’t wrong. But I just can’t stomach it. Maybe I’m a prude. I guess it’s legal for consenting adults. And I guess it should be legal…

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pinkdrunkenelephants 7 points 3 years ago
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a_mac_and_con 1 point 3 years ago

I can't believe how there wasn't a single person in the audience who tried to stop anyone. Other than the person who took the gun away from her head. Still. No one stopped the people trying to injure or assault her. No one called anyone out? It's sickening.

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GigglyBobble 47 points 3 years ago

I can't believe how there wasn't a single person in the audience who tried to stop anyone

Yeah, that's not what's written in the Wikipedia article.

Faced with her abdication of will, with its implied collapse of human psychology, a protective group began to define itself in the audience. When a loaded gun was thrust to Marina's head and her own finger was being worked around the trigger, a fight broke out between the audience factions.

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a_mac_and_con -1 points 3 years ago

I should stop trying to read things when I haven't slept.

Now I'm wondering why the entire audience fled when she finally moved. No one stuck around to ask if she needed help or anything?

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GBU_28 -1 points 3 years ago

The group was already self selected for those interested in attending such a performance

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Annoyed_Crabby 17 points 3 years ago

but it is what any human being would do, given the right circumstances.

Bullshit. The experiment you linked isn't even close to what this is:

They measured the willingness of study participants, 40 men in the age range of 20 to 50 from a diverse range of occupations with varying levels of education, to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience.

Participants were led to believe that they were assisting an unrelated experiment, in which they had to administer electric shocks to a "learner".

The people who violate the performer aren't instructed, in any way, by an authority figure, and the act isn't conflicting with their personal believe. They are psychopath.

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RobertOwnageJunior 8 points 3 years ago

You just want to excuse your own bad behaviour.

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_jonatan_ 7 points 3 years ago

You should probably read the link you posted, because the results of the milgram experiment as touted by media is not really representative of what happened.

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Can_you_change_your_username 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 2945880 2946074 2947607 2947961 2955207, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 1
Defcon08 41 points 3 years ago

From Wiki article: "When the gallery announced the work was over, and Abramović began to move again, she said the audience left, unable to face her as a person"

It worked, they really saw her as an object

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sudo22 30 points 3 years ago

Is she what that one episode of House MD based on? There was a patient that essentially did the same art stunt that ended when a participant poured gas on her and started to light a match.

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BrokebackHampton 27 points 3 years ago

And now that you know part of the story, please don't stop checking out this unknown gem:
https://youtu.be/GXyq2xUmsVQ

We deserve more Cate Blanchett in comedy roles

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Orbeatle 9 points 3 years ago
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Franzia 3 points 3 years ago

I feel like I dont understand it and the humor is out of my league.

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prole 1 point 3 years ago

Fantastic show. Crazy that they got Helen Mirren to be host.

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useless_modern_god 1 point 3 years ago

Nice thank you. I watched it over dinner 🌭

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Lt_Cdr_Data 21 points 3 years ago

"Do with me what you want" They proceed to do with her what they want

Surprised pikachu face<

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suspecm 0 points 3 years ago

but it's le deep

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NigelFrobisher 21 points 3 years ago

Clearly staged because no-one drew a spunking cock on her forehead.

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darcy 20 points 3 years ago

sick album cover

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oldbaldgrumpy 18 points 3 years ago

This is really disturbing. People in general are awful, that's my take away.

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CeruleanRuin 2 points 3 years ago

Sure they are, but the layer beyond that is that they wanted to test the boundaries. She told them anything goes, which means on some level she wanted the freaky shit, and participants didn't want to disappoint.

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infinipurple 3 points 3 years ago

Absolutely. The number of people in the comments who have missed the whole point of this piece is staggering.

It's performative endurance art. Marina was very much hoping and intending to make a statement on the human condition and the flexible limits of our morality. The audience played their part perfectly.

I know that some of you are outraged at the whole thing, but remember that art can't hurt you, the viewer. Art is supposed to make you feel things. And subsequently, you should have sufficient emotional intelligence to analyse and challenge those emotions and the ethical and moral preconceptions they stem from.

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oldbaldgrumpy -1 points 3 years ago

I'm glad I don't get it on that level. Hopefully I never will.

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infinipurple 1 point 3 years ago

I don't think you have to worry about that ☺️

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GrayBackgroundMusic 16 points 3 years ago

Is this what Shia LeBouf was copying?

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DharmaCurious 14 points 3 years ago

That's honestly mortifying.

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stagen 3 points 3 years ago

Holy shit that’s some heavy emotions! (Great song too)

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resketreke 6 points 3 years ago

Didn't Yoko Ono do something similar?

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sangriaferret 10 points 3 years ago

Cut Piece

She sat on a stage and let audience members cut off pieces of her clothing with scissors.

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Metal_Zealot -9 points 3 years ago

Not her tongue , unfortunately

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funkless_eck 2 points 3 years ago

I never saw the issue with Yoko Ono. I think she's pretty funny.

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Klear 1 point 3 years ago

Agreed. She thought The Ruttles was hilarious and forced Lennon to watch it, even though the mockumentary is not kind towards her.

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Franzia -10 points 3 years ago
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Metal_Zealot 10 points 3 years ago

Is this the new schizophrenic neckbeard copypasta?

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Franzia -1 points 3 years ago

Lmfaooo shadduup theae are my gebujne thoughts lmao

Okay readinf this back idk what I meant here Im just gonna oretend I didnt write this

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boogetyboo 2 points 3 years ago

No need to share them with anyone but a professional.

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Franzia 0 points 3 years ago

Oooooooookay : /

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Zhao 9 points 3 years ago

I fucking hate having eyes sometimes

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Franzia -2 points 3 years ago

Y u bully me roflmao

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CaptFeather 5 points 3 years ago

Not normal thoughts, bud. Not trying to judge you but maybe speak to a therepist?

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Franzia -1 points 3 years ago
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olav -1 points 3 years ago

@Franzia @CaptFeather these are things you say to your therapist, so you can talk these thoughts out and sort out what's positive, and what's negative, and why you feel this way. And learning to identify the things you might say that make people around you uncomfortable or worse

Because you've seen here you're making people uncomfortable at best

Trust me. I rarely say the things that go through my head. Not like this, I couldn't witness it. There are just things one shouldn't say out loud

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Franzia 0 points 3 years ago

You're ELI5 but I already said I had success in therapy.

identify the things you might say that make people around you uncomfortable

therapy didnt teach me social skills or masking. As far as I have been told, masking is worse for my mental health.

There are just things one shouldn't say out loud

I literally said I would like take care of this artist rather than harm her. And then I said I have to be protective because people frequently trust me. Listen I know I sound a bit crazy but see past the aesthetics at the real arguments I am making.

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Sektor -27 points 3 years ago

Does the term Attention whore describes this "art"?

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olav 10 points 3 years ago
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Sektor -12 points 3 years ago

Performance art is all about look at me doing whacky things.

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Numuruzero 8 points 3 years ago

Essentially true but thoroughly reductive. Like saying "live music is all about saying look at me play all these notes"

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Sektor -1 points 3 years ago

Well yea, but you have to play the right notes in the right way. This is more like bringing an philharmonic orchestra to stage and not playing a single note. Actually, that would be much more creative than this.

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iegod 5 points 3 years ago

Given your engagement, I'd say you couldn't be more wrong.

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Sektor -6 points 3 years ago

Point me to some performance art where people are not ending up naked, cut, or doing some other edgy things in public.

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infinipurple 2 points 3 years ago

You're missing the point entirely. It's supposed to make you feel emotional, and to give you the opportunity to challenge those feelings and understand where those emotions are rooted.

Art is all about challenging your preconceptions, and yet you can't seem to get over your preconception that art itself is worthless lmao

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Sektor 0 points 3 years ago

Art is not everything labeled art. Btw word art comes from latin ars, which means craft or skil.

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