4-Year-Old Fatally Shot By Woman Who Was Teaching Her 'Firearm Safety,' Authorities Say

3 years ago by deconstruct to c/news

Warning: Article has detailed accounts of the shooting

Breanna Gayle Devall Runions, 25, was charged with first-degree murder and aggravated child abuse in the death of Evangaline Gunter.

The child’s parents, Adam and Josie Gunter, told ABC affiliate WATE that Evangaline had been in temporary custody at a home in Rockwood, which Runions shared with girlfriend Christina Daniels and another child, a 7-year-old girl.

Before the shooting, Evangaline and the older girl were being punished that morning by Runions for not waking up the women and for eating Daniels’ food without permission, according to the warrant and a statement from Russell Johnson, district attorney general for Tennessee’s 9th Judicial District. Runions struck both girls with a sandal before forcing them to stand in different corners of the women’s bedroom, authorities said the older girl told them.

After the shooting, the women drove Evangaline to a nearby Walmart location to meet an ambulance, Roane County Medical Examiner Dr. Thomas Boduch told the Roane County News, and the vehicle transported the girl to a hospital where she was pronounced dead. Boduch could not immediately be reached by HuffPost.

MNByChoice 191 points 3 years ago

were being punished that morning by Runions for not waking up the women and for eating Daniels’ food without permission

Any time a young child is in trouble for eating someone's food, it is a huge red flag.

Any time a child is responsible for an adult's schedule, it is a huge red flag.

This article is about child abuse that lead to murder.

Tragic

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JackbyDev 100 points 3 years ago

The headline really fucking buried the lede. This is not a story about a firearms instructor accidentally shooting someone. This is a story about extreme child abuse.

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Patches 26 points 3 years ago

What kind of legitimate firearm instructor would allow a 4 year old to hold a gun. This was always about Child Abuse.

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JackbyDev 12 points 3 years ago

Well, the difference would be "incompetent fire arm instructor" versus "person trying to cover up murdering a child"

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Buddahriffic 7 points 3 years ago

Or point a gun at anyone's chest and pull the trigger, knowing it was loaded or not.

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nilloc 2 points 3 years ago

Just pointing the gun at anything you don’t want to kill is off the table for anyone with any gun safety knowledge.

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biddy 7 points 3 years ago

That's not what happened.

Runions told police that she had taken a 9 mm handgun out of its case, removed the magazine and called Evangaline over to “show her firearm safety.”

Runions pressed the barrel of the gun against the child’s chest and pulled the trigger, police said she told them.

The irony of calling this "firearm safety" is absurd. It's being charged as first degree murder because nobody points a gun at someone's chest and pulls the trigger unless they intend to kill.

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RegularGoose 3 points 3 years ago

In the south? Plenty.

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anlumo -2 points 3 years ago

Isn't the forth birthday the day children get their first firearm gifted in the US?

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NABDad 1 point 3 years ago

Third. You just have to wait until they're old enough that you don't have to worry about them putting the ammunition in their mouth and choking.

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glimse 22 points 3 years ago

Remember that story recently with the teenage girl who ran away from her abusive parents after 16 years to save her (also abused) siblings? One of the things she talked about was getting punished for the same

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smollittlefrog 16 points 3 years ago

Did you miss the part where it described the actual abuse? Like, you don't need to do much guessing to find out they were being abused.

Runions struck both girls with a sandal before forcing them to stand in different corners of the women’s bedroom

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DessertStorms 11 points 3 years ago

Why was she

in temporary custody at a home in Rockwood

what does that even mean?? It makes it sound like she was being held there without consent, but she's a child and no kidnapping is mentioned, so who put here there? What relation was the killer to the child? Where were her parents?

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thesushicat 29 points 3 years ago

The full article mentions the child had been placed there by a "court decision" so it sounds like the parents may have temporarily lost custody.

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DessertStorms 16 points 3 years ago

I appreciate the info, thanks.

That raises so many other questions though, none will help make this case any less horrible, but it just feels like so many people failed this poor child in her short life (potentially her parents, but also whoever placed her in this situation and failed to ensure her safety), but probably only one will pay (as she should, of course, in case that wasn't clear)..

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Hazdaz 13 points 3 years ago

The whole article describes a strange situation. The "adults" where mad at the kids for not waking them and eating their food. Like what is even going on over here?

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Patches 14 points 3 years ago

Child Abuse. Child abuse is going on over there.

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Buddahriffic 4 points 3 years ago

Shitty people who are criminally bad at regulating their emotions.

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Kecessa -28 points 3 years ago

Eh... It could simply be that they were keeping her for the week while the parents weren't available or something, no need to panic...

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DessertStorms 22 points 3 years ago

A child was murdered and I'm asking for clarification.
Who the fuck is panicking? Why even respond that way, how is it helpful?

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Kirkkh 7 points 3 years ago

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Misconduct 6 points 3 years ago

No matter how broke we were my mom always said that if I was hungry I should eat. She firmly believed nobody could be wrong for eating something if they were hungry and I carry that with me today.

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Colorcodedresistor 5 points 3 years ago

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anlumo -2 points 3 years ago

That's a dangerous road that leads to huge health problems. If I'd do that I'd be morbidly obese within a year.

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Misconduct 2 points 3 years ago

That's definitely not the context or the spirit of it though lol

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NABDad 2 points 3 years ago

I think most studies have found that restricting children's food causes them to fail to develop the ability to regulate their own eating and leads to obesity in later life. It's generally considered better to avoid bringing unhealthy food into the home, but allow children to eat what what is available when they are hungry.

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Misconduct 2 points 3 years ago

Same with the poor souls that were forced to clean their plates. Bad eating habits for everyone!

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anlumo 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah, it's definitely a different situation for developing children.

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electrogamerman 5 points 3 years ago

Moral of the story: Don't have children just to have them.

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expr 3 points 3 years ago

They were fostering the children, I thought. But yes.

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Potatos_are_not_friends 125 points 3 years ago

Runions pressed the barrel of the gun against the child’s chest and pulled the trigger, police said she told them.

Daniels told police that she saw Runions take out the gun, remove its magazine and put it to Evangaline’s chest, but she turned away and didn’t see her pull the trigger, according to the warrant.

This was a murder.

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dethb0y 75 points 3 years ago

yeah it's 100% just a murder. probably she thinks by saying it's an "accident" she can either skate or get a manslaughter conviction instead of murder.

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FuglyDuck 16 points 3 years ago

people do forget about the chambered round all the time.

But. I ain't holding my breath, either.

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Im14abeer 11 points 3 years ago

And this is why the rule is every time you pick up/are handed a gun you check the chamber. Even if you just watched your buddy do it. Also, firearm safety for a four year old is "Stop, don't touch, tell an adult."

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FluorideMind 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah reaks of bullshit. I'd bet she was threatening the girl with what she thought was an unloaded gun, but surprise there is one in the chamber.

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JoBo 8 points 3 years ago

They do. Which is why you never point a gun at someone, let alone pull the trigger. It's an entirely implausible excuse because what she did has nothing to do with teaching gun safety.

It may or may not have been an acccident but it happened because she was bullying the child. Whether proving that level of intent is enough to prove murder (in the US), I don't know. But at the very least it is an extremely serious form of manslaughter so the difference is probably negligible in terms of conviction and sentencing (unless they can prove that it was an entirely deliberate and intentional murder).

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FuglyDuck 1 point 3 years ago

There is no doubt that she was fundamentally responsible for that kids death. And I'm not holding my breath out that it was an "accident". But people are absolutely that dumb. Either way... she should have the book thrown at her.

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loutr 6 points 3 years ago

people do forget about the chambered round all the time.

all the time?? And y'all still are having debates on whether it might be time to maybe start looking at how you may act on the issue? America seems fucking crazy from the outside looking in...

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FuglyDuck 2 points 3 years ago

Yup. All the time.

And yes, I’m all for gun control. The sad thing is these people vote.

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dan1101 16 points 3 years ago

Yes, what the hell kind of gun safety lesson was that? Here is exactly what NOT to ever do.

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ArcaneSlime 10 points 3 years ago

"Here kid, don't do exactly this or you'll Alec Baldwin someone."

Tries to "teach gun safety" by breaking all 4 major gun safety rules at once

Yeah, not buying her story lol.

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reverendsteveii 3 points 3 years ago

You could say her gun safety knowledge was a little bit...

...Rusty...

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HappycamperNZ 96 points 3 years ago

Look, I'm one of the first to say Americans are dangerously obsessed with firearms, but this wasn't a firearms issue - it was straight up murder. This wasn't an attempt to teach with any sort of responsibility or following any safety at all. If anyone tried to teach my kids firearm safety by sticking the barrel in their chest they would be decked.

First rule - every firearm is loaded. Every. Fucking. Firearm. Is. Loaded.

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Kittengineer 113 points 3 years ago

That is a firearms issue.

Untrained, irresponsible people are getting access to guns.

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HappycamperNZ 24 points 3 years ago

I fully agree irresponsible people are getting access, but this goes beyond firearms and training. There is irresponsible ownership and use, and then there is putting a firearm in the chest of a child, right after removing a loaded mag and pulling the trigger. Using my car analogy - there is irresponsible not wearing a seat belt, and then there is putting a kid on the roof and going off roading. First one - training, laziness, responsibility and access issue, second one is straight up murder.

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InverseParallax 16 points 3 years ago

You understand this is simply another example of "people who should never have access to guns because they're too immature/angry/stupid" which is all anybody is asking.

There are a lot of crazy rednecks out there who are not safe with guns, we need a way to stop them specifically from having them.

And this enraged the gun lobby because many of them know that sometimes, they're that moron.

I say this as an extremely responsible gun owner.

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catreadingabook 13 points 3 years ago

Without taking a stance myself - I doubt anyone disagrees with the principle, but rather on the implementation. How do we know who's responsible enough; can we write a law that accounts for:

• A 50-year-old woman who committed robbery in a moment of desperation as a 16-year-old and has since shown remorse, attended therapy, and held a stable job,

• A 40-year-old businessman who's never been convicted of anything, seemed okay when he saw a therapist once last year, but privately he gets into vicious screaming matches with his wife and has really inappropriate temper tantrums when he's drunk, and

• A 21-year-old college graduate who seems smart and stable enough, but their social media page is full of harsh criticisms of the government, projections of what would happen if various officials were theoretically assassinated, and more than a few references to "hoping for another civil war"?

While balancing that with the idea that the government isn't supposed to protect something as a "right" while also preemptively taking that right away from people they think might be dangerous, if they can't point to highly credible evidence. (Otherwise, it becomes possible to arrest people for 'thought crimes.')

Idk the solution personally. Seems impossible to balance unless gun access legally becomes a privilege to qualify for, rather than a right to be restricted from. But that would put the power into states' hands, and then states would have the power to decide that no one can have guns except the police.

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HappycamperNZ 1 point 3 years ago

Unfortunately, no matter how responsible you may be the rules apply to all. The only way to make meaningful changes is for the responsible gun owners to limit their own access via licences, vetting, restrictions and quality registration systems and to push government to apply it to everyone. It is a culture problem, and needs those on the right side of the rules to bring everyone's standards up.

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catreadingabook 10 points 3 years ago

(TW)

Yeah typically I'm not on board with the "guns don't kill people" argument but in this particular case, the adult in charge was already (allegedly, potentially) criminally abusive. If not a gun, it would have been 'teaching her to chop vegetables with a knife,' or 'teaching her to hold her breath underwater,' or so on.

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HappycamperNZ 3 points 3 years ago

As stated in my top comment - I fully agree America is dangerously obsessed with firearms, and first look at the article was "same old story". But Jesus, the straight up actions they took means this isn't a firearm problem. If you want to get change, attack the negligence, manufacturers and law makers for the actions they take - but this wasn't on them.

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Sentrovasi 6 points 3 years ago

I think the point they are trying to make is that in this situation, the perpetrator would have said she tripped and stabbed her with a knife if she didn't have access to a gun. It's not a gun issue, this person just genuinely wanted to murder a child that got on her nerves.

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yata 1 point 3 years ago

You have no way of knowing that. We do however know that she did murder the child with a gun she should never have had access to.

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Red_October 2 points 3 years ago

That's not what this was. This wasn't a lack of training, this wasn't irresponsible behavior, this goes way beyond neglect or ignorance. This was murder, full on. Not an accident.

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tider06 1 point 3 years ago

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520 0 points 3 years ago

Nah, neglect is simply not giving a shit. Pressing a gun barrel into a 4 year old and pulling the trigger while you called another kid over to watch isn't anything other than premeditated murder.

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520 1 point 3 years ago

All the training in the world wouldn't have stopped this. They wanted that kid dead.

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TWeaK 12 points 3 years ago

Yes but removing access to guns would have certainly gone a long way.

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520 -2 points 3 years ago

It would change the headline to "4 year old fatally stabbed by woman who was teaching her 'kitchen knife safety '".

Again, they wanted this kid dead. Removing guns from this particular equation wouldn't change much.

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ProIsh 44 points 3 years ago

Not a firearm issue? Wtf killed her?

No wonder we'll never solve this issue. Idiots

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HappycamperNZ 12 points 3 years ago

This is like saying its a car issue because I tried to teach a 4 year old road safety by speeding at them and slamming on the brakes. Its not the car thats the issue.

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yggdar 11 points 3 years ago

Cars are not weapons. They are dangerous, but they haven't been invented to kill. You also need to do an exam before you're allowed to drive a car.

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HappycamperNZ 9 points 3 years ago

Oh, im still surprised you don't need a course and license like every other country in the world.

Firearms are tools and serve a purpose, and must be treated the same as every other tool... you know, like years to get a drivers license?

And fir the record - vehicles have absolutely been used as weapons as everything from vehicular assault to IEDs.

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max 10 points 3 years ago

That… is a car issue in the rest of the world, considering some idiot who thinks it’s okay to do that has access to, and probably the privilege of operating such a machine.

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ChaoticEntropy 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah... that would be a lifetime driving ban, alongside any other ramifications.

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karmiclychee 9 points 3 years ago

Given the psychological effect of owning a gun, or having access to one has on a person, I honestly feel like we're in the same mental health territory as any behavioral antagonist, like leaving an addictive substance around an addict. You take a gun and put everything it means in a person's hands - the power, the mythology, the kind of baggage it comes with in this country - and it's gonna have some kind of effect.

I don't know about you, but I've witnessed, and am aware of many cases where drivers of certain kinds of cars - big, fast, whatever - do stupid, reckless, dangerous, even murderous things because of the feeling of power and control their vehicle gives them. It's the psychology of the damn things that makes people crazy.

We have a phrase for it, oddly enough: "it's like leaving a loaded gun on the table"

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useralreadyexists 21 points 3 years ago

Exactly. It was murder and its pissing me off the news is making it about firearm safety gone wrong. And the poor kids sound like they were abused in this foster care setting.. This girl was shot point blank in the chest. Hope there is some justice.This poor child.

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FlyingSquid 21 points 3 years ago

I agree with your points, but I also think that if firearms were more regulated, this woman may not have even gotten a gun in the first place. We don't know her history, but if she did something like this, I wouldn't be shocked if she didn't have the cleanest of records.

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yata 11 points 3 years ago

In a civilised country this person would not have had access to a firearm, so it is most definitely a gun issue.

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bizzle 10 points 3 years ago

Second rule, don't point that shit at anything you don't want to destroy.

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ZzyzxRoad 66 points 3 years ago

temporary custody

Why is it next to impossible for people to get approved to adopt, but any asshole can become a foster parent? I think you need more in-depth screenings to adopt from pet rescues. If the US is going to force pregnancy on people, then they really need to get a handle on the foster system. Because it's always about "protecting the children," right?

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TruTollTroll 31 points 3 years ago

Went through the foster care/guardianship in Oregon for us. These kinda stories make me Soo mad. I have a lot of First hand experience with the Oregon foster system.. I am adopted myself. I Was in 97 to a single woman in her late 50s (I loved my mom, make no mistake she was great and may she RIP) but it was super easy for her to adopt me.. like really easy...

THAT SAID... My husband and I also had to get custody of my nephew from my sister. It was a terrible experience and I almost warn people who are interested in being a foster because of our experience..

My husband and I went through hell and back in Oregon to be become foster parents just so we could take our nephew out of foster care. As we went through the process, We got accused of only wanting him for money by a foster care certifier. (mind you the amount they pay is pennies a month for a kid) God that woman was outrageous and we had to complain to my nephews case worker, that her co-worker was sabotaging our nephews chance at permanent placement and almost backed out because she made us look so bad for asking questions and curious about how to afford this child. Very relevant question to ask, wouldn't you say? (This foster certifier was very Catholic made it very know to me and my husband. She got upset with us when we told her we are not religious and had to tell us about all the Catholic churches and schools he should be in.... and at the time, we were also not married. (Gasp I know!!)

So she put in her report, that she was suspicious of us and our reasons for being interested in this child for suspicious reasons. This was my nephew!! I was there when he was born and everyday since till he went to foster care. My mom died.in 2020 and my sister couldn't parent without her support.. I wanted him home.. it was that simple!! But this worker made It a fucking nightmare and I was sooooo angry.

Thanks to his case worker appealing for us and showing the judge the errors the certifier was claiming we finally got the foster parent certification and are now full fledged guardians of him and have yearly check ins.. it was a headache and almost impossible with how long it took...

So when I see stories like this and someone who got be a foster who clearly shouldn't be, INFURIATINES ME!!! we had to work so hard and show everything (not that it was a problem for us, we expected it) but to see those who didn't get held to the same standards and a kid gets hurt through negligence pisses me off!!

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Astroturfed 16 points 3 years ago

It's almost like a terribly under funded government system with horrible pay that can be soul crushing doesn't attract the best possible employees. I'm sure they know that woman is a horrible zealot who they'd love to replace. There's no one that wants that job though.

Social services in America are embarrassing. Like it's strait up shameful how bad our systems that are required for a functional society are ran. Reagan successfully demonized government spending as "wasteful" on anything a perfect American nuclear family wouldn't need. Now everything is shit and the answer to needing government assistance for anything is good luck.

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TruTollTroll 2 points 3 years ago

So much this!! And I am definitely a victim of it myself as a child growing up.. at least I was able to save my nephew

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Smokeydope -3 points 3 years ago

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Misconduct 5 points 3 years ago

I get the feeling that they might be better off with the lesbians tbh. Gay people adopting or being foster parents isn't a social politically woke experiment. They're just people doing it for their own reasons like any other couples. I strongly suspect there's more to them not giving those kids to you and the fact that you had to point out the color of their skin and that they were gay speaks volumes.

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bobman 1 point 3 years ago

He mentioned neglect. He could be lying. If it's true then those people were not fit to take care of them.

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prole 4 points 3 years ago

They'll just put the group homes on the coal mine's property. Boom, two birds with one stone. Like the ol "company store" days almost.

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maniacal_gaff 2 points 3 years ago

I just watched the "Three Slaps" episode of Atlanta and it was tense and terrifying.

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Treczoks 62 points 3 years ago

Just another reason why not every idiot and his uncle should be allowed to own a firearm.

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lennybird 11 points 3 years ago

The key thing here is that most people who think themselves to be smart and that it won't impact them... Tend to be idiots as well.

The problem is idiots and crazy don't know they are.

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CaptFeather 1 point 3 years ago

Dunning Kruger effect - they're too stupid to know that they're stupid.

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havokdj -6 points 3 years ago

I mean, even without the firearm this was going to go south. You did read this, right? The kids were struck with sandals because they did not wake fully grown adults up and "ate their food without permission".

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Acry1ic 22 points 3 years ago

It does sound like an abusive situation that the kids needed to be removed from.

However, it wasn't the sandal that killed the child.

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havokdj 3 points 3 years ago

You can very easily beat a four year old to death with very little force.

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Acry1ic 2 points 3 years ago

And I could hit anyone with my car!

But what happened in this case was, a child was killed with a gun.

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Honytawk 10 points 3 years ago

Well if they beat the children, they would be full of bruises. Which would notify authorities and they would have been taken away again.

Now, that chance has passed.

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RegularGoose 7 points 3 years ago

Plenty of people have come up with ways to beat their kids without leaving bruises. Like using sandals, for example.

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Dkarma 1 point 3 years ago

Chancleta never killed anyone, ya knob

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altima_neo 5 points 3 years ago

I survived the chancla as a kid. Guns though...

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reverendsteveii 57 points 3 years ago

For people who, like me, saw the gap between "teaching firearm safety" and first degree murder, the method outlined in the article for teaching firearm safety seemed to involve putting the barrel of the gun to the child's chest and pulling the trigger. The witness, the other child living in the home, says that the killer did pull the magazine before the 'safety lesson' though. Technically this might make premeditation difficult to prove and could hinder a first degree murder conviction but I also think that a jury will figure out some way to make this monster go away forever regardless of what the letter of the law says.

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roboticide 52 points 3 years ago

I mean, IANAL but I think it's pretty easy to argue that anyone with the bare minimum knowledge of firearms and intent to teach safety would know that:

You presume the gun is always loaded.
You check the chamber, even after pulling the mag. And then still treat the gun as loaded.
You don't start the lesson by putting the barrel of the gun to anyone's chest and pulling the trigger. Because you don't do that when treating a gun as if its loaded.

With those three points, which again, I would argue constitutes the bare minimum to anyone attempting to teach firearm safety, a skilled prosecutor could argue there was some sort of intent. She would have known those things, yet didn't do those things, and so behaved in a way that indicates other intent. Easier to argue manslaughter, of course, but it's just so egregious I can see why they'd push for 1st degree.

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reverendsteveii 17 points 3 years ago

The standard for first degree murder is higher than the mens rea required for most crime. It's not just an intent to kill, it's a premeditated plan to kill.

I think they pushed for first degree because most people see murdering a child as the most bad murder you can do and first degree murder as the most bad murder charge you can convict someone of. To do any less would invite political attacks for being "soft on crime" but I think it's a lot to try to argue that this person must have intended to kill this child because no one could possibly be that stupid. Any time I've ever thought "no one could possibly be that stupid and cruel" I've been unpleasantly surprised.

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Cethin 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah, honestly I think first degree might be a mistake and she may go free for it. If they have other evidence, fine. It just seems like a stupid person who maybe has anger and self control issues. They probably shouldn't have access to a firearm in the first place though with good mental health evaluations. This girl didn't need to die.

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Darkncoldbard -4 points 3 years ago

Doesn't matter to me if you're anal but what did that have to do with anything?

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elfin8er 2 points 3 years ago

IANAL stands for "I am not a lawyer"

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reverendsteveii 2 points 3 years ago

I do, but that's neither here nor there unless you want to buy me a drink first

What I don't is have a license to practice law anywhere in the English-speaking world.

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fireshaper 2 points 3 years ago

Just in case you are new to the internet. IANAL = I am not a lawyer

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AngryDemonoid 5 points 3 years ago

Wtf...i knew it was going to be bad, but immediately ignoring one of the primary rules of firearm safety (always treat a firearm as if it is loaded) was not what I expected.

I figured it was going to be an accidental discharge while unloading.

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corsicanguppy 36 points 3 years ago

There is a serious issue with child abuse here.

But, if you can correctly guess the country where this occurred before reading the locale in the article, then it's a telling point about how famous the idiots+guns connection is in exactly one affluent country while still being a tangent.

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TruTollTroll 6 points 3 years ago

Was the gun bit, not obvious enough?

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altima_neo 2 points 3 years ago

I'm guessing Texas?

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Donjuanme 4 points 3 years ago

They haven't gotten their way yet, I'd guess the country is USA USA USA

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oldLady80 2 points 3 years ago

Just by reading some of the names I can guess which country it is.

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mercurly 1 point 3 years ago

I'm unfortunately very familiar with this town. It's an industrial wasteland with no real job market and drugs are rampant.

This story is unfortunately not at all surprising.

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greavous 2 points 3 years ago

Don't blame it on the town. It's not a small town problem. It's a USA problem.

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mercurly 2 points 3 years ago

Just providing context. Not "blaming it on the town."

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Misconduct -1 points 3 years ago

Yeah, we're all aware. Thanks for your service it means so much on every single post like this.

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Burn_The_Right 36 points 3 years ago

This is reason #9,278 why conservatives should not be allowed near children.

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Kecessa 20 points 3 years ago

And reason #53759742269743 why guns should be extremely restricted.

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ZodiacSF1969 -30 points 3 years ago

Wtf does this article have to do with conservatives? Liberals and swing voters own guns too, you know.

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ponfriend 8 points 3 years ago

The difference is most liberals don't want dumb people to have guns. This person might be a liberal, but if other liberals had their way, the girl would still be alive.

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Bread 4 points 3 years ago

While I don't disagree with you on the gun issue. This particular instance just looks like intended murder. I have a feeling this child would have been killed regardless of the gun. You don't just accidentally put a gun to a child's chest and shoot.

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smollittlefrog 3 points 3 years ago

Perhaps liberals would be less likely to show off firearms, much less teach how to use them, to a four years old.

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Burn_The_Right -1 points 3 years ago

Liberals have guns, but liberals aren't stupid enough to point a gun at a child. It's extremely obvious to everyone except conservatives that this woman is a conservative.

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Frozengyro 8 points 3 years ago

Cause there are no stupid liberals....

You really need to touch grass meet a few people. Stupidity spans both sides and all political spectrums.

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Dkarma 6 points 3 years ago

While you're technically right why don't we all go look up the lowest iq states in the USA and see how they consistently vote,shall we?

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ricdeh 6 points 3 years ago

You fail to realise that this isn't a matter of liberals vs. conservatives, it's the fact that guns themselves are stupid and legislation rewarding that is archaic and dangerous in the U.S.

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SmoothC 5 points 3 years ago

This is the kind of lazy comment I would expect to see here. It makes me want to go back to Reddit. What are you, 14?

And this is coming from a liberal

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ZodiacSF1969 -1 points 3 years ago

Yes, no liberal has ever murdered a child.

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havokdj -6 points 3 years ago

The fact alone that this woman is gay goes against your "muh conservative" argument, considering the fact that LGBT is not a conservative concept in the slightest.

It's not stupid when you do something intentionally. You say "liberals aren't stupid enough to point a gun at a child" like this was an accident. She literally pressed the gun up against the child's chest after hitting them with fucking sandals, due to the children failing to wake up fully grown adults and the 4 year old "eating food without permission".

Motherfucker not every damn thing in the news is about politics, this has nothing to do with politics and you have no idea what her political alignment is whatsoever.

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Honytawk 6 points 3 years ago

Strange, because there are gay conservative groups.

They recently said the GOP convention shouldn't be held in Texas because of the anti-gay laws.

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Colorcodedresistor 31 points 3 years ago

Do not begrudge getting older...so few get the opportunity.

4 year old wiped off this world because a 25 year old woman shot her in an attempt to intimidate and scare her. there was no firearms safety class being taught; if my mother wanted to "show me something" it was always to rub my nose in the proverbial piss of some mistake i had made in her eyes. That is what i see here for this "gun class"

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Borkingheck 31 points 3 years ago

You wanna teach firearm safety to a four year old, keep your guns safely locked up and practice using a hose pipe. If that murderer beams you with the hose, don't let them have your gloc because they gunna Bury you.

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IDontHavePantsOn 2 points 3 years ago

"I know it's only been a few months since you stopped using sippy cups, but I think you're ready for this 9mm Glock."

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deconstruct 31 points 3 years ago

Very upsetting story. This young girl was failed by every adult in her life.

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cabron_offsets 30 points 3 years ago

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victron 5 points 3 years ago

Or have kids.

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some_designer_dude 3 points 3 years ago

This is the world’s opinion of all Americans.

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cabron_offsets 2 points 3 years ago

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Ensign_Crab 30 points 3 years ago

Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner.

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frazw 9 points 3 years ago

Can't argue, she is responsible for this.

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motor_spirit 1 point 3 years ago

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Hazdaz 4 points 3 years ago

Kind of like every dog owner. Except that most dogs have redeeming value.

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havokdj 0 points 3 years ago

You didn't even read the article, taking a gun and putting it to a child's chest and pulling the trigger is not practicing gun safety, this child was deliberately killed.

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SCB 6 points 3 years ago

She took out the magazine, so it's quite arguable that she's just a fucking idiot and did not intent to kill the child. That being the case would make this a "responsible gun owner" discussion.

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jj4211 3 points 3 years ago

Also possible she is lying to try to pretend she made a mistake.

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SCB 2 points 3 years ago

Witnesses stated she removed the mag.

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havokdj 2 points 3 years ago

She didn't rack the chamber. You can argue that she intentionally made it look like an accident.

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Riyosha_Namae 0 points 3 years ago

You can also argue that it genuinely was an accident (albeit one that very much could have been anticipated and prevented).

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Ensign_Crab 1 point 3 years ago

You didn’t even read the article

Yes I did. It did not change my opinion. Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner. Too few are right.

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havokdj 0 points 3 years ago

She pulled out a firearm and pointed it at child's chest. If you take a firearm, and point it at someone, it is ALWAYS with malicious intent, loaded or not.

People can downvote me all they want but I don't give a shit, this is the truth, this is why she is getting charged with first degree murder ffs. This was not an accident.

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Ensign_Crab 1 point 3 years ago

Whatever you need to tell yourself to continue believing that you are a responsible gun owner.

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some_guy 27 points 3 years ago

The 7-year-old girl told authorities that she saw Runions shoot Evangaline and said the bullet struck a glass bottle, sending shards her way, according to the warrant.

It's even crueler for the child that witnessed the murder. At least the girl who was killed doesn't have to continue to suffer. The 7-year-old who had to see it is old enough to remember that trauma for fucking forever. She's going to need so much therapy to overcome this incident and our system won't provide it for free.

Fuck anyone who brings out a gun around children.

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Pratai 26 points 3 years ago

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Rubanski 14 points 3 years ago

"this never happened before!"

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Comment105 11 points 3 years ago

They'll take away guns from women before they'll restrict access to the main school shooter demographic.

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Riyosha_Namae 2 points 3 years ago

And then someone is dead.

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oatscoop 1 point 3 years ago

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thisbenzingring 26 points 3 years ago

what a piece of shit headline. the girl was being punished or the lady was trying to scare her and the gun went off. the 7 year old said that they were being punished for waking someone up and eating food?! this is probably a foster parent situation. I sure as fuck hope that 7 year old is placed in a new home!

showing someone gun safety is the killers excuse, thats not what happened here at all.

AND FUCKING 4 YEAR OLDS CANT EVEN TIE THEIR SHOES! WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM GUN SAFETY?

FUCKING HORRIBLE

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SocialMediaRefugee 5 points 3 years ago

Yup, sounds like she was trying to scare the girl. She was mad at the kids and wacking them before this. Jackass didn't even check to see if there was a round in the chamber not that they should be aiming guns at people and pulling the trigger.

I wonder if there were powder burns and a muzzle imprint on the kid, that would show if the gun was pressed against her. I wouldn't trust anything they say at this point anyway.

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RedAggroBest 1 point 3 years ago

The other methhead and the 7yo both say they saw the muzzle against her chest so it seems likely

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SeaJ 21 points 3 years ago

This was a murder, plain and simple. She put a gun up to the girl's chest and pulled the trigger.

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Blackmist 20 points 3 years ago

The gun safety lesson here being "see what happens when two meth heads with children in the house are allowed to have a gun"...

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SocialMediaRefugee 4 points 3 years ago

Which a certain political party and a certain organization will defend under any circumstance.

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Cracks_InTheWalls 17 points 3 years ago

Was gonna come in here to say "The first rule of gun safety is your gun is always loaded, even if you cleared it and the safety is on, so barrels don't get pointed at anything you don't want to die".

This still applies here, but the situation had nothing to do with teaching a kid. Now that kid is dead. So fucked...

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SocialMediaRefugee 7 points 3 years ago

WTF

That is like teaching fire safety by pouring gasoline on someone and waving a lit match.

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RedAggroBest 3 points 3 years ago

There is no lesson. Just a sociopath murdering a child.

I hate headlines like this that use quotes that diminish how serious it is. How can a journalist,in good faith, write what they did about the incident, things like putting the gun against her chest, and then still have a headline like that. You just know a bunch of people are just going to read the headline and think it's another accident when this had far more malice.

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SocialMediaRefugee 16 points 3 years ago

It is too easy to get a driver's license in the US and sure is hell way too easy to get a gun. Some people can't be trusted with a toothbrush.

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Pat12 14 points 3 years ago

According to a Tennessee Bureau of Investigation arrest warrant obtained by HuffPost, Runions told police that she had taken a 9 mm handgun out of its case, removed the magazine and called Evangaline over to “show her firearm safety.” Runions pressed the barrel of the gun against the child’s chest and pulled the trigger, police said she told them. Daniels told police that she saw Runions take out the gun, remove its magazine and put it to Evangaline’s chest, but she turned away and didn’t see her pull the trigger, according to the warrant. The 7-year-old girl told authorities that she saw Runions shoot Evangaline and said the bullet struck a glass bottle, sending shards her way, according to the warrant.

wtf

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technopagan 8 points 3 years ago

As a parent, EVERY kid feels like your kid. This made me cry.

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GiddyGap 3 points 3 years ago

The US is seriously self-destructing in so many ways.

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NumbersCanBeFun 1 point 3 years ago

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Potatos_are_not_friends -3 points 3 years ago

Read the article. There was no firearms instructor.

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cristo 0 points 3 years ago

I learned gun safety at 6, on a bb gun, killed my first deer at 10. Trying to teach a 4 year old who probably isnt even sentient at this point on a real loaded firearm is the stupidest thing you can do. Firearms safety isnt a hard thing to teach, it should be taught in schools along with the home imo. Shooting sports used to be a big part of the american school system.

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Meissnerscorpsucle 3 points 3 years ago

for my kids @ 4 I taught them if you see a gun, don't touch it...go get an adult. @ 7 started BB gun and had to show muzzle / Triger discipline and recite the rules of firearm safety EVERY time we went out to shoot it.

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Riyosha_Namae 2 points 3 years ago

What was that about four-year-olds not being sentient?

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MyFairJulia 0 points 3 years ago

Ironic...

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havokdj -6 points 3 years ago

Many of the comments in this thread are sickening. A child was blatantly murdered and the headline is bullshit, there is no mention of firearm safety training whatsoever. She literally pressed a firearm against a child's chest and pulled the trigger after she abused them for not doing something young children should have to do.

If you can somehow screech out "muh conservatives shouldn't have gunz!" then you didn't even read this shit or you are dickbrained. Nothing about this woman speaks conservative and some of it is contrary to that claim if anything.

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BURN 28 points 3 years ago

How about “Only licensed, trained, competent owners should be allowed to have guns?”

She obviously was none of the 3

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havokdj 1 point 3 years ago

I'd have no problem with that whatsoever. That still doesn't break my point away that she should have never had the children in the first place. She struck children who were not even hers, she wanted an excuse to kill is all.

However, you can narrow it down to licensed and competent. You aren't getting a license in anything without training.

If it makes you feel better, she cannot legally own a firearm now that she is a convicted felon. Don't you even dare think that is going to stop her from being able to kill again. Felons can't have firearms, but remember that firearms are not the only ranged weapons out there.

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lennybird 22 points 3 years ago

Nothing about this woman speaks conservative and some of it is contrary to that claim if anything.

Haha what. We taking bets? White abusive woman from Tennessee playing with guns...

Also, "no mention of firearm safety"? Straight from the article:

According to a Tennessee Bureau of Investigation arrest warrant obtained by HuffPost, Runions told police that she had taken a 9 mm handgun out of its case, removed the magazine and called Evangaline over to “show her firearm safety.”

Of course it's a bullshit excuse and this lady is batshit crazy. It's almost like it should be harder for the average dumbass to get a gun..

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Thann 2 points 3 years ago

Remember, prejudices are bad unless theyre against a whole race of ppl!

I'll put $20 on conservative please

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havokdj 1 point 3 years ago

White abusive woman from Tennessee playing with guns doesn't have anything politically backing it whatsoever. Way to feed into stereotypes by the way, as if liberals don't exist in the deep south or anything.

I guarantee you that she did not say that because that is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. She said that to POLICE but it isn't what happened.

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Honytawk 17 points 3 years ago

Maybe.

But it does tie into the notion that mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

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ArcaneSlime 3 points 3 years ago

Cases like this make it seem that way, but my issue is "define mentally ill."

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ZzyzxRoad 6 points 3 years ago

Exactly. Plus it just further stigmatizes people with actual mental illnesses by constantly associating them with the absolute worst dregs of society. Why is it so hard for people to understand that there's a wealth of sadistic, selfish, and unfathomably stupid people out there in the world, and none of those things automatically equate to mental illness.

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ArcaneSlime 2 points 3 years ago

That's a really good point, I didn't even think of that. Thanks for the addition!

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havokdj 2 points 3 years ago

People who are in danger of themself and those around them already cannot legally own firearms.

If you are suicidal or have a history of violence related to mental illness, you legally cannot have one already.

I actually agree with the other guy quite a lot. It is something that would be abused rather than followed.

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ArcaneSlime 1 point 3 years ago

That's what I was getting at too, he just expounded on the stigmatization of "mentally ill" being related to stuff like this, which I hadn't considered. We all three agree though it seems, imo it's one of those "I mean yeah it sounds good on the surface but it doesn't hold up to scruitanty" things.

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shasta -5 points 3 years ago

She would've found some other way to kill the child, like suffocation.

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Smoogs 6 points 3 years ago

Takes a lot more effort and intent. Guns take all that away with a single finger pull.

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pulaskiwasright 7 points 3 years ago

Conservatives are the reason she was allowed to have guns.

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havokdj -1 points 3 years ago

Will you liberals shut the fuck up about the fucking conservatives for a second? Not everything is about mUh CoNsErVaTiVeS and politics. Who is to say she legally obtained the firearm huh? The article doesn't even say what kind of firearm it is, for all we know it could be a 3d printed ghost gun?

I swear every bit of news I see, liberals use it as an excuse to bitch about conservatives. A child died by first degree murder from a caretaker because of the awful CPS that we have, guns are not the focal point here buddy.

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pulaskiwasright 2 points 3 years ago

Your comment is so absurd that I thought it was satirical at first.

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havokdj 1 point 3 years ago

Half the posts here are satirical as well. A deranged individual gets custody of children not hers and everyone screeches "gUnZ!" like a bag of cats. What do you honestly think would have happened had she not had a gun? Tell me!

Do you honestly think the situation where she didn't have a gun would have been better than the situation where the kids never went to a home where the custodians were clearly not fit to have custody of CPS children?

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masterofballs -16 points 3 years ago

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Riyosha_Namae 0 points 3 years ago

You know, for a while now, I've just been ignoring the absence of a downvote button on this website because it never seemed that important to use one. But now I have to ask; WHY IS THERE NO DOWNVOTE BUTTON?

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Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.

2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious biased sources will be removed at the mods’ discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted separately but not to the post body. Sources may be checked for reliability using Wikipedia, MBFC, AdFontes, GroundNews, etc.

3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.

4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source. Clickbait titles may be removed.

Posts which titles don’t match the source may be removed. If the site changed their headline, we may ask you to update the post title. Clickbait titles use hyperbolic language and do not accurately describe the article content. When necessary, post titles may be edited, clearly marked with [brackets], but may never be used to editorialize or comment on the content.

5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.

6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials, videos, press releases, or celebrity gossip will be allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis. Mods may use discretion to pre-approve videos or press releases from highly credible sources that provide unique, newsworthy content not available or possible in another format.

7. No duplicate posts.

If an article has already been posted, it will be removed. Different articles reporting on the same subject are permitted. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.

8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.

9. No link shorteners or news aggregators.

All posts must link to original article sources. You may include archival links in the post description. News aggregators such as Yahoo, Google, Hacker News, etc. should be avoided in favor of the original source link. Newswire services such as AP, Reuters, or AFP, are frequently republished and may be shared from other credible sources.

10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

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news

@lemmy.world

login for more options

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.

2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious biased sources will be removed at the mods’ discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted separately but not to the post body. Sources may be checked for reliability using Wikipedia, MBFC, AdFontes, GroundNews, etc.

3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.

4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source. Clickbait titles may be removed.

Posts which titles don’t match the source may be removed. If the site changed their headline, we may ask you to update the post title. Clickbait titles use hyperbolic language and do not accurately describe the article content. When necessary, post titles may be edited, clearly marked with [brackets], but may never be used to editorialize or comment on the content.

5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.

6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials, videos, press releases, or celebrity gossip will be allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis. Mods may use discretion to pre-approve videos or press releases from highly credible sources that provide unique, newsworthy content not available or possible in another format.

7. No duplicate posts.

If an article has already been posted, it will be removed. Different articles reporting on the same subject are permitted. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.

8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.

9. No link shorteners or news aggregators.

All posts must link to original article sources. You may include archival links in the post description. News aggregators such as Yahoo, Google, Hacker News, etc. should be avoided in favor of the original source link. Newswire services such as AP, Reuters, or AFP, are frequently republished and may be shared from other credible sources.

10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

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