Democrats will allow full ICE funding in budget bill
9 months ago by Allah to c/politics
Doesn't matter they will get labeled something else. ICE is terrorizing MN law enforcement and the right doesn't care. Insurrectionists terrorizing law enforcement on Jan 6, the right didn't care. ICE is not a classic law enforcement agency anyway. These people are idiots and likely just making shit up.
Not even that. Republicans will call them anti-law anyway. They have been for years.
This abstaineousness earns them nothing. The only reason to assume they took this position is that it's what their donors want.
I'd much rather be known as anti-law enforcement than pro-nazi.
I'd be proud to be labeled "anti-law enforcement".
Surely Steven Miller will magically change his mind and the human rights violations will stop. Uh huh.
Hey now, I'm a big fan of pussies. Democrats, not so much.
We want it to go away too, but funding the actual law breakers isn't how you do it
Pussy
These democrats
They’re the same picture.
Exactly. Democratic policies work (most of the sometimes)... it's just democrats have no fucking backbone, no balls to demand things to get their policies enacted like republicans do. Republican policies fail miserably and royally fuck everything up. Grow a fucking pair, dems... be the change you want to see in the world.
The three should be one in the same IMO.
Then vote for them anyway when they win.
Negative Nancy?
Debbie Downer?
FUCK OFF.
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!
I WANT THESE NAZI FUCKS ARRESTED
I WANT THEM PROSECUTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION
I WANT THEM IMPRISONED AND EXECUTED FOR TREASON
I WANT JUSTICE
Do one thing different here to be smarter. Just one.
There won’t be a midterm.
Martial law will be declared in October, so the government will be very prepared for the small number of people who get angry.
Go to the bookies and bet everything you own on that.
Let us know how it goes.
I tagged you that you bet it still happens. I’ll hit you up in November and one of us can gloat. ;)
Sorry. I don’t get it.
You guys ever notice how it's always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?
It's also always just enough democrats to make sure republicans always get what they want.
Why people keep voting for them is beyond me. They must be stupid or something.
The Blue Dogs (the group that voted for ice funding) is the same group of dems that thwarted Bill Clinton.
It's all kayfabe, it's the squared circle. Whenever actual change is on the menu, like the public option with Obama care, exactly enough dems will turn to make it not happen, reliably.
How many is the super majority? Add 2 and that's how many dems will show up to stop progress.
It’s because both parties are owned by the same Israeli lobby and the Zionist tech bro oligarchs. It’s not even a conspiracy it’s easily verifiable. Epstein and Gizzline worked for Israel to collect blackmail for Israel. We pay for Israeli’s to have universal healthcare, free college and a $400 monthly payment per child until they turn 18 but those things are evil and “communist” here. We the American taxpayers pay hundreds of billions for this stuff while Americans die and go into debt for sickness. Israel is a hostile foreign power do friends blackmail their allies? https://www.trackaipac.com/congress https://wonderisrael.com/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Israel
You guys ever notice how it’s always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?
Massie's been in full revolt for months now. And we've had perennial haters in the GOP going back to John McCain and Ron Paul. And the Tea Party Caucus was a big reason why the GOP couldn't pick a new House Speaker for nearly a month. These opponents tend to be Libertarian flavored, and tend to undermine Neocon efforts to spend money at the risk of raising taxes
The loathsome Blue Dog Caucus are an organized conservative opposition within the liberal party. It consistently sabotages party priorities while funneling enormous sums of corporate money into leadership races.
Both exist to benefit corporate interests.
but they never face any consequences from party leadership.
it's moreso the case that when leadership decides they don't actually want to stop something (for reasons) the blue dogs are called upon to performatively break ranks and help the Republicans.
Who should we vote for otherwise? Every other option leads to Republicans staying in power, and they are the ones actually doing it.
Don't vote? That's fewer votes the Republicans need to win, so they stay in power.
Vote third party? That splits the opposition vote, and Republicans stay in power.
And no, neither of those choices "teach the Democrats a lesson." It just drives them to go to the people who do vote, who are more right wing, so it drives everything further right.
You want a more left wing party? Show them that the left votes and our votes have value.
Democrats don't care about your vote, that should have been obvious during Harris's campaign while they focused on the right wing vote.
That splits the opposition vote
Democrats are not the opposition, they are the enablers of fascism, they are complicit in everything happening right now.
That doesn't answer my question. Who should we vote for that doesn't result in the fascists staying in office?
I'm not gonna tell someone who to vote for, but a vote for Democrats = Fascism. A vote for Republicans = Fascism.
I don't vote for capitalists
The primaries are the key. Support the people who will oppose these issues.
But as we saw with Bernie, the support has to be undeniable and actionable, or they'll just put in who they want anyway. This means that there is a non-zero chance that we'll end up with the usual kind of choices. Should we then support the candidate that isn't at least actively disparaging the law, or should we not vote and increase the chance of the party that is actively destroying things winning?
they don't control the entire D party, there are good people there.
support the good ones, primary the bad ones.
In the last 10 years I've seen a noticeable shift in the number of normies (non political junkies) who have realized which Democrat are real and which are paid stooges.
If we want to push things back to the left, we absolutely have to show support for more left candidates in the primaries.
But if we don't show them that we're willing to vote, we're just going to get candidates that chase the votes of the people who DO vote.
So we can have Obama or Biden rather than Adolf Hitler with dementia?
So we can have double-tap Obama and Genocide Joe? JFC dude, we deserve better
If you can't see the difference between Oboma and Trump I can't help you
I can help you.
Obama funded ICE and built the concentration camps, while bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia.
Then Trump exploits and uses ICE, while Dems continue to fund it. Trump is mask off unhinged Capitalism, Obama was "polite" mask on Capitalism. Neither serve you. Neither improved material conditions for the working class.
Edit: also Kamala ran on empowering ICE, and bragged about a stronger border than Trump even wanted. Wtf are even talking about. Democrats enable Republicans. Always. They are the other side of the same capitalists coin that does not serve you whatsoever.
Came here for this
It’s the Diet Republicans™️. Fascism without the guilt.
That was a lot of Kamalas campaign. look at our immigration policies, it's just the republican plans or we want to fund the military even more than the Republicans
Call them and ask them if today's shooting would change their mind.
The slaughter of everyday Americans has never been a weighty burden to the American government.
It'd be great to primary every single democratic congressperson. I'm sure there are good ones. But it's time for wholesale change. Make them fear the electorate.
There are not any good ones.
Mamdani
Cowards, yes, but what are they afraid of?
Oh, right, losing power. Personally. They're afraid of losing their own power. It's power that defines their self-image, and without that, they are nothing. They're "just like everyone else". Just like the poors. Nothing special. And, they so need to be special little boys and girls.
Wrong fix, power is their money to these people. It’s political power.
Your fix stands for a businessman but not a pollie.
I bet they're also at least a little afraid of getting harassed by LEOs because they're not "pro-police" enough.
If anyone had any doubt whatsoever that they don’t work for us…
what a stupid country
They are traitors. Just about every single establishment democrat is enabling the Trump Regime to loot America on their behalf.
It won't work so long as you have first-past-the-post voting.
In Denmark we have 11 parties that have qualified to join the elections last time.
It's no big deal
Although it's not the one with the most votes that wins. The winner needs to have a minimum of seats and if not, they need to make a joint administration with other parties to sum up to the minimum number of seats
Your government is fundamentally different than ours. Given 2 large entrenched parties which are nearly equal in a system which is winner take all at every stage of the game any third party which gets any substantial portion of the vote splits the vote with whatever party it is most like ensuring its opposition wins.
EG imagine you wanted to grow say the green party in given district which is 51% Dem 49% Republican. If it were to wildly successful it would need to grow from 1% to a plurality organically probably over several or even many election seasons. It is unlikely to get many Republican votes because Republicans have solidarity and its positions are substantially different so by the time the green party has grown to 3% of the vote its throwing every election to the Republicans. This continues to be true at 30% because 90% of its votes come from the left. At some point you would reach changeover and become the defacto left wing party but by that time you will have found the state has gerrymandered your district to the point where you can't win and all the money essentially millions of dollars in legal bribes is still flowing to the now minority party.
This is literally impossible to fix at the ballot box by people voting for third parties. This is why for example the green party has existed for 40 years and in all that time has never elected anyone to federal office and has in only a handful of cases held a state office wherein they run and stay green.
The US system is designed to make this impractical and it has only become more so with intensely parties making getting votes from both sides increasingly ridiculous. Anyone you would want to elect is going to have to take a stand against essentially the American nazi party in power now.
We didn't change to this right after being Vikings.. systems can and should change with time.
We’ve already seen major changes in the way politics work in the USA, just within the last 50 years.
Party elites lost control when they were replaced by primaries
Campaign finance rules were rewritten by the courts changing who funds them
Gerrymandering was effectively legalized as a “political question”
None of this was inevitable. It happened because laws, court rulings, party rules, and public pressure changed.
So when people say “the system is broken and can’t be fixed,” history says otherwise
None of what you listed was because of "public pressure" all of it was changed by a tiny minority with most of the money. Almost all substantial changes of any variety are going to require a constitutional amendment which in the US requires 2/3 of states to agree to propose it and 3/4 of them. Red states and the agenda they want enacted would be impaired by almost any positive change as would be the money spigot funding literally everyone in power now. We could have 37 states representing 90% of the population on board and be held back by weirdos in Idaho who want an American Nazi party.
We are basically in the same position we were prior to the American revolutionary war which notably could not be fixed without conflict either just like the nazis trying to pwn the world couldn't be fixed without conflict. We are already building and filling concentration camps and have stopped paying for medical care at what will become death camps as of last October.
We need a working class party
It's called the DSA. Help them take over the husk of the Democratic party.
We have 2 entrenched parties. The Republicans have about half the vote. If we fracture the vote on the left even a little bit then we lose. EG for example suppose we WOULD win with 51% of the vote suppose we convince 90% of the would be democrats to vote green.
The vote is now 45.9 Green 5.1 Dem 49% Republican aaaaand we now lose for the next 100 years. This is actually the optimistic case. Even if you get a green candidate who satisfies literally everyone on the left some will KNOW this can't fuckin work and yell at the defectors and some will dislike anything left of the dems and refuse to move so you probably get closer to 26% one and 25% the other. If carried out broadly enough you would hand an unstoppable super majority to the other side which they will use to fix it so your vote is suppressed forever.
You can't just vote third party you have to first reform the system. The most basic plausible move is instant runoff or something similar at the state level.
lol @ people hoping midterms fix things.
I love that this article makes funding ICE the fault of the Democrats, ignoring the fact that they are a minority. And the people in the comments here are eating it up.
Do I think the Democrats have the good of the American people in mind? No. Do I think this article has successfully manipulated people into mentally shifting the blame, if momentarily, to the wrong party? Fuckin’ oath!
Bullshit. The Republicans are the fascists in power. Being angry at them is the default, nothing to say. The Democrats can be either resisting or enabling. People have every fucking right to be mad at the enablers who should be resisting.
Your comment is the equivalent of saying "yea the crime in my city is caused by criminals and corrupt cops, but it's mostly the criminals, so look why are you eating up the propaganda that you should be mad at the police?".
As non-maga American voters you guys need to be holding your enabler Democrats to account. We, the rest of the world, know the Republicans are beyond your control. Your fucking Democrats though? That's on you.
Edit, here: https://youtu.be/1PwmiG7ABl0
Seven House Democrats voted for the ICE bill after minority leader Jeffries decided Dems couldn't obstruct the vote and the bill was certain to pass. Of course, this was a Republican bill which Republicans all voted for, but that doesn't matter to these horseshoe left ideologues. They're all in with the GOP, because the GOP sprays accelerationist fire onto the government never mind the damage to peoples' lives.
Dems have approved record funding for ICE every single year for the past 25 years. Dems can stop this anytime they want.
Bernie's been in politics for decades, and how dare he's not done anything about this! I don't care if he's in the minority and by definition the country is conservative but why the hell did we just vote him in? He's really just Republican light!
Bernie is voting against these policies and the other democrats for them, just enough to get it passed always. Just like when the government was shut down and the Republicans were wildly unpopular, Bernie voted no, the other democrats "minority that can't do anything" voted yes and we got healthcare cuts.
Jeffries needs to be deported.
Corey Booger(sic) is an asshole sellout.
You need evidence
Shorty has something on them.
Trump straight pardoned Henry Cueller, the ringleader. He was caught dead to rights taking bribes from foreign officials and has functionally flipped teams in exchange for clemency.
Incidentally, Jefferies reinstated Cueller as senior Dem on the Appropriations Committee. He'll be the chairman if Dems retake the House this year.
Vote blue no matter who ratchet effect in full swing. But yeah it was the Bernie bros lol
Remember that these people have now aided and abetted the murders of Nicole Good, Alex Jeffey Pretti, and countless others not caught on video.
"Please leave Minneapolis"
ACAB includes democrats.
Democrats are in the minority. They can't win this vote so minority leader Jeffries gave up on obstructing it and told house members to vote how they wish. Because how Democrats vote on this bill will not affect its ultimate passage.
This is a Republican bill by a congress controlled by the Republican Party.
That's the Senate, not the House.
Why the fuck give up on obstruction?
Edit, here: https://youtu.be/1PwmiG7ABl0
Niding!
DHS should be completely dismantled and the agencies it sucked in should be returned to their former status. When the fucking Patriot Act was approved, it would eventually lead to a unit identical to the SS and NKVD. It took 23 years and a bunch of fucked up voters to allow it. The fucking Russians and CCP Chinese are rubbing their hands together and laughing their balls off at the AmeriKan downfall.
Remember that your state's representatives work for you! Call now! Don’t just bitch on the intertubes, make the one actual phone call to a number that’s not in your contacts this year and tell them what you want!
you may call (202) 224-3121 for the U.S. House switchboard operator.
Voters have taught them they don't need to represent the pubic in order stay in power. They can actively fund and provide weapons for a genocide and voters will come back.
Scott Perry very much does not work for me
The Democrats want us to scream for them louder. This is our punishment for resisting.
Both parties are owned by the same oligarchs and genocide committing child trafficking foreign lobby. Our government is occupied by Israel. DHS and Stephen miller say they have a goal to remove 100 million people. They are planning a genocide
America after 100 million deportations: empty, with bent palm trees and about to experience a tsunami... Apparently.
The democratic party has absolutely no spine. They toss around a concept of standing up for the American people, then cower like scared children.
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Spoken like a true pussy, I mean democrat.
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