[Video] Ring advertises mass surveillance capabilities in SuperBowl ad

6 months ago by IndustryStandard to c/technology

Zoldyck 149 points 6 months ago

Introducing search party for 'illegals'

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irate944 55 points 6 months ago

upbeat music plays đŸ„°

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PostaL 5 points 6 months ago

ℱ

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greenbelt 1 point 6 months ago

Ring camera users already can submit feeds from their camera to police, on request.

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audaxdreik 115 points 6 months ago

"since launch, more than a dog a day has been reunited with their family"

Yeah, because cats know how to evade the fascist state. All Cats Are Beautiful ...

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errer 30 points 6 months ago

400ish found out of 10 million is
incredibly pathetic, lol.

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frunch 32 points 6 months ago

It's apparently enough justification to get people to consent to having their doorbell cams used for surveillance by 3rd parties đŸ« 

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yucandu 1 point 6 months ago

Yall do it with your smartphones and your airtags anyway.

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frunch 6 points 6 months ago

I consented to that when i accepted the EULAs on all the stuff i signed up for online over the years. I'm not consenting to this though! 😉

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Flames5123 2 points 6 months ago

AirTag doesn’t have facial recognition. Also there is no reverse engineering who an AirTag belongs to. Not even Apple can see in their databases.

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tomiant 3 points 6 months ago

I mean there are some ugly damn cats, for real.

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Breezy 6 points 6 months ago

Shut up. No. There. Is. Not!

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CannonFodder 18 points 6 months ago

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tomiant 11 points 6 months ago

That is a chupacabra. Not a cat.

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dessalines 10 points 6 months ago

goblin mode

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tomenzgg 4 points 6 months ago

I would massage all of his scalp wrinkles.

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Breezy 4 points 6 months ago

Ah i am feel ashamed. I wanted to put besides hairless cats. But i knew there are like a dozen cute ones in total. So i didnt thinking i was being mean.

Im gonna downvote my own comment.

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ToTheGraveMyLove 1 point 6 months ago

Fucking dumbasses losing their dogs every day.

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unknown 98 points 6 months ago

Ad Company: How do we sell mass surveillance..... By helping sad kids and cute puppies. Keep it short so people don't have time to think to hard about it.

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foggenbooty 13 points 6 months ago

Yup. I wouldn't put it past the average person to see this and be happy. It hits the feel goods and for people who aren't already attuned to digital privacy concerns they likely aren't going to extrapolate the end game.

Privacy has always been a slippery slope issue which makes it very difficult to explain to people without sounding like a conspiracy theorist. Only when it's too late and people are negatively impacted does it become obvious, and by then it's too late.

Another area that isn't getting enough attention is Amazon Sidewalk. They're actively building out a network so these devices can share information (albeit limited) with each other even if you deny them internet access. Again, the tech is cool, but the possibilities are concerning.

As a kid I used to love tech and I remember reading CES coverage with anticipation and wonder. When Google Glass was demo'd I thought it was the coolest thing. Now there's no way I'd voluntarily put AR glasses that weren't FOSS on my face.

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unknown 3 points 6 months ago

This is 100% the experience I have had. Could not vibe harder with this.

Most of the time people have paid a premium for their new watch, camera, door bell, service and you try to point out that it connecting to the cloud or AI is overly complicated and not required for the result they are so happy about. You go on to say that the company is probably selling, exploiting and using that data to minipulating you..... But you just come off as unhinged.

There is nothing good about america atm the only benifit is that there are some really good examples of why "I've got nothing to hide" is deeply flawed. This helps cut through to normal people.

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itsathursday 70 points 6 months ago

This won’t be abused at all /s

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4am 28 points 6 months ago

This isn’t new. These companies have been doing this for a long long time. They need to be stopped.

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Remember_the_tooth 13 points 6 months ago

First it was subpoenas, then it was complying with law enforcement requests. I think the new development is that just anyone can do it.

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Remember_the_tooth 16 points 6 months ago

No kidding, and the feature is on by default. It'll be lost human family members next.

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huppakee 14 points 6 months ago

Won't work, there are no doorbells in the death camps

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Remember_the_tooth 7 points 6 months ago

There's the unexpected dark humor FTW.

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PerogiBoi 9 points 6 months ago

What part of this is humour? America has several death camps at the moment. People are actively disappearing from the system and can no longer be looked up. No one in the entire regime is able to locate them.

What do you personally think happened to them?

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criticon 7 points 6 months ago

They already partnered with flock last year, the same flock that shares with "law" enforcement

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Remember_the_tooth 5 points 6 months ago

I was trying to point out that this feature may be even worse than that because it doesn't even require a formal law enforcement request. If this becomes what it looks like, even private contractors will be able to access it without raising any alarms, further lowering the bar.

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hector 6 points 6 months ago

Yes, organized crime loses their marks they are shaking down, luckily if they are up to date on their ring subscription...

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Remember_the_tooth 5 points 6 months ago

I hadn't even considered this aspect. I guess we can kiss goodbye the witness protection program.

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KalSeth 2 points 6 months ago

It didn't work for Savannah though.

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Remember_the_tooth 1 point 6 months ago

Sorry, but I don't know this reference.

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tomiant 65 points 6 months ago

They're not only rolling out the total surveillance society- they are making people pay for it and subscribe to monthly fees for the privilege.

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krashmo 4 points 6 months ago

How else are we going to know who is at the door? I mean, I guess we could open it but that's boring

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ToTheGraveMyLove 5 points 6 months ago

Or you could do what I do and just don't answer the door.

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ToTheGraveMyLove 46 points 6 months ago

This is horrifying.

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partofthevoice 9 points 6 months ago

Should we buy ring nodes and feed them poisoned video feed?

Benn Jordan was recently doing work on poisoned audio files, making it so models are damaged by ingesting his music. I believe the same should be possible with video streams.

They probably won’t be training on the poisoned nodes, but they sure as hell will be wasting power on them. That makes it more expensive to do this stuff, no?

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JustARegularNerd 9 points 6 months ago

For me personally, I wouldn't consider it worth the risk. You still have to make an Amazon account, hand over your personal information, let their cameras onto your network (of course, you can VLAN them) and.. how many people are gonna do this to make it effective?

It just seems playing right into their hands, I'd rather outright boycott anything Amazon (I understand easier for some than others) than waste my time, money and effort into protecting my personal info against a user hostile company.

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partofthevoice 4 points 6 months ago

I agree, that’s the most practical approach and I wouldn’t blame anyone for choosing it. For me personally, though, I’m a little pissed off that these companies get to have such inhostile environment for their shenanigans. It’s like a playground for them, where they get to happily A|B test the various surveillance state softwares that will eventually get sold to oppressive regimes (just like Flock). I’m at a point where I’m willing to spend a not-so-insignificant portion of my time, energy, and know-how on inventing a little bit more friction for them. It shouldn’t be so easy for them to fuck us. They didn’t even offer dinner, first.

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cypherpunks 44 points 6 months ago

anyone who objects to mass surveillance obviously hates puppies

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manuallybreathing 21 points 6 months ago

You got me, but actually I mostly want the christian families and their children to be sad

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Xylight 2 points 6 months ago

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TDCN 37 points 6 months ago

This is not real right.... Right.... It's a joke right? I hate the world because I really can't tell.

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RunJun 28 points 6 months ago

It’s real. I watched it with my mouth hanging open. I know the capability has been there for a while but openly advertising it as a good truly shocked me.

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chunkystyles 11 points 6 months ago

My wife and I yelled at the same time when that ad played. Insanely dystopian.

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systemglitch 10 points 6 months ago

It's been real for a long time now, this is how ring works. You have to manually turn this stuff off and no one does.

There are some informative videos on this spy network.

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eldavi 6 points 6 months ago

my newest neighbors are having ring cameras installed in my apartment building and that combined with the knowledge that ring shares this data to the highest bidder (which is often the gov't), i feel like my civil rights are being violated every time i have to walk past the ring cameras every time i walk out my front door. lol

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Gonzako 2 points 6 months ago

I don't know if you live in a state where you just get shot for nocking but calling the bell and explaining your concerns to them usually works at least for me.

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eldavi 3 points 6 months ago

it's more peculiar than that: the ring cameras were installed over a month ago, but neither tenants have moved in yet and they both clearly have money since they've both had their apartment renovated by professionals instead of the landlord's maintenance guys.

i'm guessing that these apartments are just their "city home" and i doubt that they will take kindly to a poor telling them how to live.

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tomatolung 33 points 6 months ago

I wonder how hard it would be to rework this advertisements to be what it's actually used for:

  • Immigrants spotted! Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
  • Automatic License Plate Recognition with Flock (now a partner), found a "criminal". Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
  • etc.
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Riyria 12 points 6 months ago

Wait is flock seriously now partnered with ring?

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douglasg14b 18 points 6 months ago

Has been since October

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Riyria 6 points 6 months ago

Gross, I had no clue. Now I might need to find replacements.

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Crozekiel 10 points 6 months ago

Not might.

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moonshadow 9 points 6 months ago

Ring was already "partnered" pretty closely with law enforcement, this is more of a consolidation than a new development. I've been saying this since they first floated the concept of CLOUD BASED SURVEILLANCE DOORBELLS but the whole idea is fucked. If you really feel a need for monitoring like that, set it up yourself. A corporation handling it is worse than nothing

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thatkomputerkat 16 points 6 months ago path: 0 22047164 22048433 22049575, hotness: undefined, score: 16, children: 0
zebidiah 32 points 6 months ago

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yucandu 7 points 6 months ago

Ok but you can just rewrite this meme with your deauth packets on the left side and Wifi 6 on the right side.

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NOPper 2 points 6 months ago

So still effective right now. I wardrobe as a hobby when I get bored and there's very few APs ready for this. We've got a few years.

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eldavi 1 point 6 months ago

wardrobe

did you mean war drive? are people still war driving?

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NOPper 2 points 6 months ago

I did, but that's hilarious so I'm gonna keep it.

I commute and travel a good amount, it gives be something interesting to do đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

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Chulk 31 points 6 months ago

The next step they'll take is hooking into the amber alert system to find missing kids. Then, it will be finding "criminals," which applies to basically everyone thanks to NPSM-7.

The "If I've got nothing to hide, why should I care" argument has predictably aged like sour milk.

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Chulk 10 points 6 months ago

The fun part is that they're already at the "criminals" stage and we have been for a while. The marketing team is just backing into it and manufacturing consent.

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Doomsider 5 points 6 months ago

Yup, this is effective propaganda used to make people feel good about the devices.

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johncandy1812 3 points 6 months ago

They were hinting at its use for that in this ad by showing a young child right away.

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eldavi 3 points 6 months ago

The “If I’ve got nothing to hide, why should I care” argument has predictably aged like sour milk.

has it? the kind of critical thought that easily dispels this fallacy isn't being applied right now on a global scale as evidenced by the fact that people are blaming russia for the epstein illuminati ring.

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Chulk 4 points 6 months ago

Not sure that I'm following/understanding. I'm saying that skeptics of the "if I've got nothing to hide" argument were correct. You do have something to hide if the people in power suddenly change the definition of what's legal.

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eldavi 1 point 6 months ago

the "i have nothing to hide" argument is easily dispelled by several avenues of critical thought; including the one your comment points out.

this sort of critical thought is not being applied to the russia/epstein narrative that's taking hold on american politics right now.

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deathbird 27 points 6 months ago

No this is fine it'll only be used to find lost puppies I'm sure.

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Rokin 24 points 6 months ago

what the fuck

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bonenode 18 points 6 months ago
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hector 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah finding the one application that people would support. Everyone loves dogs, well everyone except for our political and business leaders. ie the president and epstein and their like, they hate dogs, go figure.

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Formfiller 16 points 6 months ago

“they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

Yes I know the issues with the founding father narrative. However, I think that this quote is very true and applies to the situation we are currently facing.

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phoenixz 15 points 6 months ago

I hate it so much that these dystopian devices are all advertised as a positive thing and, worst of all, that there are millions of dumbasses going "well that sounds like a great idea!"

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BarneyPiccolo 3 points 6 months ago

It's ads like this that make people think it's really great, without ever considering the surveillance aspect. Probably some people who now want to get Ring cameras, just so they can help track down lost dogs. Instead, it will be used to hunt down escaping humans.

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NigelFrobisher 13 points 6 months ago

There should be a version where they’re brown and at the end they suddenly get bags put over their heads by Trump’s paramilitary.

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chunes 12 points 6 months ago

Are there really enough braindead consumers out there to make this viable?

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SirEDCaLot 11 points 6 months ago

Based on what I've seen, it is so so so much worse than you think.
I honestly don't think the majority of those who see this ad will even consider negative uses of this system.

And if you are thinking 'how can people be that stupid', I will remind you that college professors are having to change their curriculums because many of their students can't read.

So yes, it's the day after the super bowl and I am quite sure the Gestapo cameras are flying off the shelves in the Amazon fulfillment centers.

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bytesonbike 9 points 6 months ago

Yes.

Nextdoor is full of morons sharing their ring videos and then going, "Well my videos aren't being shared online to Amazon because I checked the 'privacy' settings."

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PerogiBoi 2 points 6 months ago
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finickydesert_1 1 point 6 months ago

Sadly true

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Jackhammer_Joe 10 points 6 months ago

That's actually insane to advertise that Gestapo feature. I'm literally shocked - which happens (unfortunately) rarely these days. There is so much shit going on in this world

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BarneyPiccolo 10 points 6 months ago

'...and we can even find YOU, anytime we want to."

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aeration1217 10 points 6 months ago

fuck those snitch ass doorbells

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ShotDonkey 7 points 6 months ago

SPRAYPAINT EVERY SINGLE ONE. CALL THEIR OWNERS OUT. DESTROY. THAT. SHIT.

(Writing this with a device in my hand with a front and several back cameras, super sensitive microphone, and internet acces)

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TDCN 6 points 6 months ago

I think a strong laser straight to the CMOS chip is better since it can't just be cleaned off.

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Truscape 1 point 6 months ago

Should've used GrapheneOS.

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nullee 7 points 6 months ago

What brand do people recommend to switch family members off to? I self host my security but for other family that aren't tech savvy at all which brands are good for privacy and intuitive to use?

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melfie 12 points 6 months ago
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gnuplusmatt 6 points 6 months ago

this is precisely my setup too.

Wife can even get to them when she's out because she has tailscale connecting her phone to the home network via my headscale control node, not that she could tell you that

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manuallybreathing 9 points 6 months ago

suggest a peep hole and a door knocker, don't over comolicate shit, and have a little faith in other people

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lando55 3 points 6 months ago

I was with you until the last part

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chemicalprophet 4 points 6 months ago

Which mass surveillance fear product?

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Liberal_Ghost 2 points 6 months ago

There isn't one.

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modus 6 points 6 months ago

And if I upload a photo of a brown-skinned person?

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VerilyFemme 4 points 6 months ago

Omfg I just watched this elsewhere. Also it's free. How kind of them.

I think this is just trying to put a good spin on it before any privacy concerns come up.

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verdi 3 points 6 months ago
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CleoCommunist 3 points 6 months ago

Ew wtf

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StarvingMartist 12 points 6 months ago

Are you aware you posted thrice?

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UnrepententProcrastinator 3 points 6 months ago

Ew wtf

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Fortunafors 2 points 6 months ago

Ew wtf

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Jackhammer_Joe 2 points 6 months ago

Ew wtf

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sudoer777 2 points 6 months ago

It takes more than one post to describe how fucked this is

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eldavi 1 point 6 months ago

it makes you wonder what the world would be like if people had this reaction to smartphones from the beginning.

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CleoCommunist 1 point 6 months ago

no im not, fuck sorry

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BigDiction 2 points 6 months ago

Our thought watching this live was to upload photos of your local ICE agents.

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agingelderly 1 point 6 months ago

Upload?

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treesquid 3 points 6 months ago

Say they're your dog, then have it find them

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CleoCommunist 1 point 6 months ago

Ew wtf

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greenbelt 1 point 6 months ago

The only counter to this: Sousveillance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance

Inverse surveillance

Related Batman quotes:

Batman movie dialouge

from IMDB, Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox voices the consternation perfectly:

Batman: [seeing the wall of monitors for the first time at the Applied Sciences division in Wayne Enterprises] Beautiful, isn't it?

Lucius Fox: Beautiful... unethical... dangerous. You've turned every cellphone in Gotham into a microphone.

Batman: And a high-frequency generator-receiver.

Lucius Fox: You took my sonar concept and applied it to every phone in the city. With half the city feeding you sonar, you can image all of Gotham. This is wrong.

Batman: I've gotta find this man, Lucius.

Lucius Fox: At what cost?

Batman: The database is null-key encrypted. It can only be accessed by one person.

Lucius Fox: This is too much power for one person.

Batman: That's why I gave it to you. Only you can use it.

Lucius Fox: Spying on 30 million people isn't part of my job description.

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CleoCommunist 1 point 6 months ago

Phew we don't have ring here, at least not everywhere

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CleoCommunist 1 point 6 months ago

Ew wtf

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6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist

7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed

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