Its funny because I used it to install onto a gaming laptop because everything configs for the laptop nvidia card with no effort on my part. But I don't game on it, lol.

It is remarkably snappy though, fastest feeling OS that has ever been on this laptop.

Edit: first time I mention it and first time it broke. Update today kde is broken with a black screen at login.

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BurgerBaron 4 points 8 months ago

Having backups set up for us automatically makes me sweat less when I deal with a pacnew file, and I absolutely fucked SDDM the first time I tried to use diff lmao.

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RipLemmDotEE 10 points 8 months ago

Garuda Arch has been my favorite, but Endeavor did me right for a while.

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texture 5 points 8 months ago

FULL agreement. garuda is the easiest arch based distro and comes with functionally useful features that endeavor lacks, like snapper in grub ootb. also, we love endeavour too.

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Alaknar 5 points 8 months ago

Rani should be mandatory software for all distributions.

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EponymousBosh 1 point 8 months ago

I really loved Garuda but the rolling updates kept breaking my NVIDIA drivers :(

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chronicledmonocle 182 points 8 months ago

It kind of makes it hard to trust this distro when they fuck up the most basic things so often and frequently.

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LurkingLuddite 54 points 8 months ago

Not just with their web hosting. I've had so many updates break random crap it's not even funny. Recently, a random update I did not approve suddenly had kwallet not working. A core piece of a DE they provide a bundled version for. I had to start kwalletd myself every time I wanted to use it.

It didn't start that way on the fresh install. I didn't do anything myself except reboot. Then suddenly my scripts that nab from the keystore are failing and asking me for passwords and what a mess.

That's just a more recent example. I remember having quite a few random issues on update in the past, though the only other one I explicitly remember is the DE suddenly failing to start. Like, at all. Luckily I had a recent timeshift backup saved elsewhere, restored, and ignored the update notifications for a long while...

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chronicledmonocle 16 points 8 months ago

Yeah Manjaro either needs to figure their shit out or everybody should stop using it.

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Eldritch 26 points 8 months ago

The one thing manjaro had going for it was it was easy install arch. Now we have endeavor, garuda, cachy, and several other easy install arch. Including archinstall. Who all follow vanilla arch much closer, not introducing major breaking changes. There's literally no good reason to still use manjaro.

That said the servo aur is currently broken under catchy. Unable to update for the last couple of weeks. But that's been my only hiccup. And a negligible one at that.

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eli 9 points 8 months ago

I tried it out like 5 years ago. A month after using it a random update broke the DE.

Right then and there I wrote off the whole distro and haven't touched it since.

I don't know why people are even using it all these years later.

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OwOarchist 14 points 8 months ago

At this point, I have to assume they're doing it on purpose.

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NewNewAugustEast 118 points 8 months ago

Wow. How does this happen when letsencrypt exists? Or certbot?

More importantly.. How does this happen again?

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slazer2au 58 points 8 months ago

There is a significant amount of infrastructure that does not support cert bot out there.

That being said they are using LE but looks like the renew failed.

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=manjaro.org&s=116.203.91.91&latest=

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Sxan 29 points 8 months ago

There is a significant amount of infrastructure that does not support cert bot out there.

Example? I believe you, I just can't imagine what would preclude a public-facing server from using Caddy or certbot. Certainly not for a project maintaining an Arch-derivative distribution.

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lankydryness 14 points 8 months ago

I don’t have a concrete example but I’ve talked to an online friend who works in IT and he claims the majority of his work is just renewing and applying certificates. Now he made it sound like upper management wanted them to specifically use a certain certificate provider, and I don’t know their exact setup. I of course have mentioned certbot and letsecrypt to him but yea, he’s apparently constantly managing certs. Whether that’s due to lack of motivation to automate or upper managements dumb requests idk

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RobotToaster 20 points 8 months ago

LetsEncrypt only does level one (domain validated certificates), it doesn't offer organisation or extended validation.

Basically they only prove you control example.com, they don't prove you are example PLC.

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Sxan 0 points 8 months ago

Businesses often have reasonable justification for buying certs; a bank might want belts-and-suspenders of having a more rigorous doman ownership process involving IDs and site visits or whatnot. It's a space where cert providers can add value. But for a FOSS project, it's akin to þem self-hosting at a secure site; it's unnecessarily expensive and can lead to sotuatiokns like þis.

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zr0 20 points 8 months ago

Uhm. “A significant amount of infrastructure”? Uhhhm. Put a reverse proxy in front of your webserver? Problem solved? Or use log analyzers? With alerts?

There is literally no excuse.

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Kushan 2 points 8 months ago

I think he's referring to certain enterprise switches and other networking gear that has basically zero support for automation.

For me personally, I would be replacing that equipment but some businesses would rather pay a few hundred bucks every year + manpower to replace the certs than a few thousand once to replace the equipment.

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cole 8 points 8 months ago

...you don't need your networking gear to support this in any way

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NewNewAugustEast 19 points 8 months ago

I am trying to figure out how my little non interesting domains have kept certified for decades now without lapsing, while they can't seem to keep it together even after a failure.

Hard to imagine that they are so big that people simply forgot to get notices or manage the certs after it has happened so many times before.

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surewhynotlem 7 points 8 months ago

There is a significant amount of infrastructure that does not support cert bot out there.

Then there should be a significant amount of infrastructure behind something like caddy.

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CriticalMiss 5 points 8 months ago

I’m not aware of any web server that’s still maintained and has wide adoption (so no web servers written by a teenager in Haskell to just fuck around and figure out how web servers work) that doesn’t support the ACME protocol. I highly doubt Manjaro doesn’t use something mainline like nginx.

The renew failing should’ve sent someone a warning that manual intervention is required. This happens from time to time but the fact this went longer than a few minutes unfortunately says a lot about the project.

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possiblylinux127 3 points 8 months ago

There is a significant amount of infrastructure that does not support cert bot out there.

Skill issue

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UnfortunateShort 9 points 8 months ago

*again again

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halendos 69 points 8 months ago

At this point is more of a tradition...

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_cnt0 63 points 8 months ago

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Anafabula 48 points 8 months ago

This is at least the third time, how do they even manage to fail that

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angel 55 points 8 months ago

At least the sixth time even. Four cases are documented here and another one was just three months ago. This last link points to reddit, but there a manjaro maintainer also explains why it keeps happening:

Politics within the project are the issue.

The fix for these issues have been build for about a year already. But those who have access to stuff like DNS and hosting are currently incapable of making any agreement on any topic preventing trivial fixes such as this from being implemented.

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JackbyDev 43 points 8 months ago

Let's Encrypt's free and automatic certificate management has been around since November 16th, 2015, by the way.

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mlg 3 points 8 months ago

Let's Encrypt has also started offering 7 day certs for people who are confident that they spent more than 5 minutes to setup their cert management lol.

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slowcakes 2 points 8 months ago

And who owns the root certificate?

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JackbyDev 3 points 8 months ago

You don't own the root certificate even when you aren't using Let's Encrypt, unless you self sign or want to become a certificate authority. Am I missing something? Is there some controversy about Let's Encrypt I'm unaware of?

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slowcakes 1 point 8 months ago

I just mean they own it, I know that you can't decrypt encrypted messages with root certificate, but you can abuse it in the case of being man in the middle. Of course I don't think that let's encrypt are doing that, but there other entities that would really enjoy having that toolset for hundred of millions of services that rely on let's encrypt.

And if you look at the ones who sponsor Lets encrypt, I don't think that any of them would bat an eye (except for EFF) if for instance the pedophile chief decided that they need to change leadership. Or hey, we NSA also have access to the credentials to the root certificate.

Something being free is not always the best option, when it comes to security. And it's not impossible that such a large entity can become compromised through pressure, especially when they live on support from private organizations, who have time and time again, shown that they are not trust worthy and would choose to do unethical thing, if that benefits them.

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JackbyDev 1 point 8 months ago

I'm a little confused why you view this as an issue because in the alternative, manually installing certificates instead of using Let's Encrypt's tool, you still wouldn't own the root certificate.

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spez 32 points 8 months ago

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sonofearth 29 points 8 months ago

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herseycokguzelolacak 21 points 8 months ago

I used Manjaro for a few years before switching to Arch. Manjaro finds a nice sweespot for "Arch but also nice". Furthermore, Arch has gotten much more user friendly in the last 5 years or so. Back in late 2010s, Manjaro was adding a lot of value on top of Arch.

What really bothered me about Manjaro was the "forum cops" they employ, who are super aggressive to newcomers and unhelpful. It was not a nice experience to seek help. Say what you will about Arch people, they are at least helpful.

I finally switched to Arch when I got my new machine. I recommend the same.

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JackbyDev 4 points 8 months ago

Just to add to the 2010s bit, I tried Arch in like... 2015 I think it would've been. I followed the wiki to the letter. It was not my first Linux install, I'd been experimenting with a lot of distros for five years by then. I could not get it to work. To be fair, I still haven't tried Arch in 2026, I use CachyOS, but I think back then Manjaro was really the only thing providing that type of experience. Everyone holds the Arch wiki on a pedestal because it's so useful, but the install guide and state of Arch back in 2015 simply wasn't what it is today. I haven't ever used Manjaro so I can't really speak for it, but that's just sort of my guess as someone who had difficulty with Arch from that era. Luckily we have CachyOS, EndeavorOS, and, presumably, a better install process on vanilla Arch now.

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EponymousBosh 2 points 8 months ago

If someone still wants "Arch but also nice," I'd point them at Garuda tbh. I really liked it but the rolling updates kept breaking my NVIDIA drivers. If not for that I might still be using it.

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rhubarbe 3 points 8 months ago

Manjaro differs from Arch in terms of update cycles. They are not rolling like Arch but adhere to some monthly-ish release cycle. Which i love by the way.

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sonofearth 4 points 8 months ago

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rhubarbe 3 points 8 months ago

Those cycles are meant for testing a coherent set of versions. If you update Arch on a monthly basis I'm not quite sure you got the same testing. I've been running Manjaro for 8 years now (laptop for business and family stuff) and I can't remember any issue with it. I also have Endeavour and Debian on my desktop (gaming / casual) and server.

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sonofearth 3 points 8 months ago

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lemmydividebyzero 3 points 8 months ago

My thinking process years ago was:

I had Debian and was not satisfied with the fact that I had to wait ages for updates of stuff like KDE Plasma. I wanted something with shorter update intervals.

I decided against Ubuntu because of the company behind it.

I decided against Mint, because it's on level 3 in the derivate tree, so more places where something can go wrong.

Then I found Manjaro and liked it from the beginning. Very easy to install (no script necessary), awesome custom Plasma theme, short update intervals, ...

Arch can be scary. I wanted a reliable, easy OS for private use and I knew, I get that with Manjaro. With Arch, I was not sure whether I might FCK something up.

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festnt 3 points 8 months ago

from what ive heard of manjaro, they do less testing on new packages than arch. also, nothing on arch ever broke my pc except for the clock, which was probably because i configured it wrong (didn't use archinstall).

only time an update has ever done anything bad was like a week ago when plasma 6.6 launched and the login freezed the pc, but that was on cachyos, not main arch.

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lemmydividebyzero 2 points 8 months ago

I think, I haven't had any mentionable problem with Manjaro over multiple years.

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sonofearth 0 points 8 months ago

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MyNameIsRichard 4 points 8 months ago

Because you can setup Vanilla Arch to be exactly like that derivative

There's the difference, you don't have to set the derivative up.

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someonesmall 1 point 8 months ago

Back in 2015 for gaming PC: Steam and Nvidia driver updates via package manager, Xfce (used it before on multiple laptops), promise to be more stable than vanilla arch.

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Wulff 26 points 8 months ago

Well shit... It looks like they were on a good run too.

https://manjarno.pages.dev/

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p0358 8 points 8 months ago

Nah the page is outdated, I saw on Reddit they also forgot about certs 77 days ago already

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savvywolf 25 points 8 months ago

It's still technically automaton if your workflow depends on people poking you when things break.

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possiblylinux127 4 points 8 months ago

I wouldn't go that far

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thagoat 24 points 8 months ago

Systemd will auto renew an LE cert.

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Maddier1993 35 points 8 months ago

With how it's going, Will systemd also eventually be able to occasionally remind my Asian ass that I am a failure?

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cygnus 31 points 8 months ago

I thought that's what your parents are for?

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thagoat 26 points 8 months ago

Have a look at systemd timers 🤣🤣

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possiblylinux127 1 point 8 months ago

What?

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Redstone1 23 points 8 months ago

AGAIN?!

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Hupf 22 points 8 months ago

Oh no, first lemmynsfw.com and now this

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festnt 10 points 8 months ago

wait what happened to lemmynsfw

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rob_t_firefly 13 points 8 months ago

As posted at this new instance which appears to be trying to fill the void (heh) left by lemmyNSFW:

Xaeg/Yay was the owner of LemmyNSFW, and he had access to and paid for the domain, server, and everything else related to the site. He has been AWOL for about 6 months now, and suddenly this month, the server and the domain stopped being paid for. I have no access to the server to get the database.

Because of this LemmyNSFW as it was, and all the content on it, much to my dismay, seems to have died.

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Shave_MyBeever 9 points 8 months ago

If they were in the US then they might be in 🧊 custody

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thermal_shock 6 points 8 months ago

Damn. Fuck ice. In general, not for potentially being related to this.

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lime 12 points 8 months ago

the only admin disappeared and the bills stopped getting paid, apparently

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anas 4 points 8 months ago

it’s no more more

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Hupf 4 points 8 months ago

I wouldn't know, never visited the place 🤐

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bhamlin 21 points 8 months ago

To be fair it's about to get even worse with the much smaller max validity periods.

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Evotech 28 points 8 months ago

Either that or they actually automate it

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qaz 11 points 8 months ago

I doubt it considering this is like the third time already

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texture 7 points 8 months ago

i think the number is higher than 3

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parzival 10 points 8 months ago

I believe this makes 6 right?

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CeeBee_Eh 2 points 8 months ago

Third time?

This is the ninth time. Including certs for their repos and forums.

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RiQuY 14 points 8 months ago

Is it so difficult to setup a Caddy with auto ssl?

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Sxan 11 points 8 months ago

No. It's absurdly easy. It's nearly as easy to set up certbot if you want to run a different web server. Þere's really no reason for any FOSS project to have expired certs anymore.

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m3t00 10 points 8 months ago

unauthorized end-to-end encryption.

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statelesz 7 points 8 months ago

I had Manjaro break more often in the year I've used it that Arch in the past 5..

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Dialectical_Specialist 6 points 8 months ago

install gentoo