We seriously need to give up on the sarcastic, parodic pro-capitalist games, and go back to ripping heads off of virtual fascists.

The Boys worst fans lol

Unfortunately even as parody/satire they don’t really show us a better faction.

Helldivers is no parody. What are you talking about. :)

edit: /s OBVIOUSLY

Ironically I gave up on the community for the complete opposite reason, you can't criticize the game because criticism is always met with "you're an enemy of super earth". I get it, Super earth is a fascist civilization and Helldivers are the extension of that fascism and a lot of it is on the nose and it's okay to joke about dissenters, sometimes. But you don't need to scream "enemies of democracy" every single time someone criticizes the game. The game is fun but it's not perfect. There are real problems with the game, one of which has lead to this complete embarrassment of the community.

In short, the Helldivers 2 community is toxic in every aspect and anyone interested in Helldivers is better off ignoring the subreddit, the steam community and probably also the official discord. Instead join !helldivers2@lemmy.ca where this drama isn't even mentioned.

Reddit communities around games in general are awful. I swear no one in those subreddits actually enjoys the game they supposedly dump thousands of hours into.

Game is fun. It's a damn co-op. It rarely goes sideways in game. This is pure community drama, I've never participated in reddit and steam forums and glad I haven't.

Right, like it is an extremely low stakes game that you are supposed to lose sometimes. It costs you nothing to lose, and people are still upset when the developers "Nerf a top tier gun into the ground" by making it sway .5 percent more and that makes the game unplayable.

AFAIK the person was doxxed and the employer was getting threats so it boiled down to security risk. But I just skimmed over some posts in reddit+steam so this might be total nonsense..

Theres a pretty good one by youtuber dolan darkest, cant link it now but its only 2 minutesish long

Steam is toxic yea but to compare with reddit? Thats wild. At least in steam discussions everybody just hates you while Reddit has some true degens

As long as it isn't Boeing's private investigators.

Warframe recently changed pugs to automatically and instantly disband upon mission completion. It's kind of awesome. I actually don't only play solo now.

Yea but like its the best way to avoid the feral people in the real world so kinda sucks.

I've not actually run into more than two or three assholes in helldivers. Almost everyone is cool. Idk if it's because I exclusively play in7-10 difficulty on PC or what.

Lots of funny people, and almost everyone pulls their own weight and when shit goes wrong usually everyone has a laugh.

Also being the host helps cause I just kick the couple of people who are assholes lol

Hey, one can dream... I also fear the 'reddit is leaking' phenomenon, as the number of Fediverse users rise, the % of assholes will too.

Can’t they use that energy towards something good?

No, that's why they're dependent on crap like helldivers.

It's life-support for losers.

It's kind of a shitty thing about modern gaming, is that the game revolves around the community, and if you're not part of the community, you don't know WTF is going on, because they never explain anything in the game.

I got pretty sucked into it playing Destiny 1 like 10 years ago but eventually it was too much fucking work and not enough fun.

I have REALLY gotten sick of the “git gud” crowd.

I've always been sick of it. It's impacted how developers create games.

Once upon a time, hard and difficult games on 8-bit and 16-bit platforms were created accidentally, either because of design bugs, or developers not having time to run through proper play-test cycles, or only doing the play testing themselves. We put up with it because we were kids and had a limited budget for games, so we played what we had. It was never intentional, since they wanted to make sure it was balanced enough to appeal to the general audience, but still have difficulty levels for people who wanted to try out a second harder playthrough.

Then, games like Dark Souls came along, which pretended that hard games were a From Software invention, and propped up a community of egoists and digital sadomasochists. All they did was make the designs more deliberate, to the point of developer trolling. (I know this started earlier on in the indie scene, especially roguelikes, but Dark Souls popularized it.)

The "git gud" crowd pushes this narrative of "if it's possible to do, then it's the player's fault for not having the skill to do so", to the point of personifying a game with statements like "the game is punishing me with bad RNG" or "the game is actively trying to kill me". This completely ignores the developers' responsibility of instituting balanced difficulty levels, since it's the developers' fault that "the game" does these things.

Again, it has really impacted how developers create games nowadays. First, the "git gud" crowd is loud enough that developers now think they deserve a voice, as if difficult games weren't absolutely everywhere, even before Dark Souls. The popularity of speed running makes them think that have to cater to that crowd, and streamers streaming impossible challenges skews that difficulty Overton window even more. Developers think they have to make some impossibly difficult game, so that streamers, who famously play video games for a living for thousands of hours a year, will advertise their game and push it to the top.

I encountered these people while playing Divinity Original Sin too. They basically exploited the mechanism, stole everything, abused the chest/telekineses method, then felt good about themselves, look down on everyone who don't play that way.

Finally something worth discussing on this post.

Isn't it a similar "ego" phenomenon that someone would want the highest difficulty setting to be something they themselves can complete? I fear it's solely because you get to select the difficulty level that anyone even has an issue with Helldivers.

If you use Call of Duty as the example, they match you with people at your ping and skill level. So why isn't level 10 on helldivers considered to be the Challenger version of the game. If it followed any similar logic to the bell curve, then very few people should be able to complete it without a coordinated team effort using comms and highly tech focused builds.

Yet I started Helldivers a month ago and have completed a 99% full clear super helldive with 0 deaths with randoms (Fking lidar tower).

Anyways, I'm kind of thinking if they nerf the game it will be too easy. I envy that steep learning curve and great heights by which the game demands you rise.

Unfortunately, developers are left in a position where they have to simply decide. To favor the people who find entertainment in being able to finish the highest difficulty vs. the peoe who desire an never ending demand for evolution to higher skill.

I am happy with the dev team quite a bit due to the fact they do engage and adapt with their community. Much more than other games...

There's a surprisingly big chunk of the playerbase that ignores satire. Any game like that will attract these assholes, oldest example I can think of is TF2

I have played continuously, but o ly with friends, so I barely know what is going on in the community except when there are major changes like adding the hiveworlds where I peek in to see if there is something non-obvious to look out for.

I mean, there are certain games where the online community actually breathes a lot of life into a game. Lots of open-ended games have fantastic online communities. For instance, Factorio’s online community is largely focused on sharing factory blueprints, finding better ways to optimize your setups, and modding.

In fact, the biggest “controversy” surrounding Factorio is that the company’s founder is a bigot. The official Reddit sub actively turned against him. The mods even started deleting his inflammatory posts and comments for breaking the rules, which is a nice piece of irony. Imagine creating a game and then having the entire fanbase turn against you when you start blowing dog whistles.

But how else would I get the past 35 years of Doom WADs?

Supergiantgames community was really wholesome

For some instances there are ethics/behavior agreements, but maybe not all.

D6-8 are like that. Its a flood of the light to midrange enemies that roll over you.

D9-10 are better because it fills in more heavies.

Okay, now replace "videogame" with "post on lemmy", right?

(And maybe "here" with "hear", but that's neither hear nor their)

haha wow this comment is amazing satire! you really nailed the elitist, dismissive, generally toxic attitude of the people described in the OP!

Your devotion to playing the part is brilliant. you didn't even put a /s at the end or anything!

bravo on your satirical masterpiece!

EDIT: Comment deleted? my work here is complete

they came for gamers....