‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ to End With Season 2 (EXCLUSIVE)

5 months ago by haverholm to c/startrek

"Star Trek: Starfleet Academy" will end with its upcoming second season, Variety has learned exclusively.

StillPaisleyCat 52 points 5 months ago

”…the show failed to find its significant audience.”

Put a show on a streamer that is targeting a completely different audience, and let the entitled vocal fans run wild with unchecked brigading, and then be surprised by low “crowdsourced” ratings.

Sigh.

This is depressing, if accurate, in that it may also be a signal that the new owner is looking for a new production company to manage the franchise just when things had finally and consistently stabilized with Secret Hideout.

I’m not hopeful for an SNW continuation in a Year One show, or Tawny’s project either.

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ValueSubtracted 24 points 5 months ago

It does seem like Paramount+ has a problem with drawing younger people - stuff aimed at younger demographics doesn't seem to last long (with the exception of Spongebob). I always thought SFA's success was a bit of a long shot for that reason.

And ironically, merging with HBO Max might actually help with that, but it won't come soon enough.

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caseyweederman 25 points 5 months ago

Prodigy was amazing though.
Did a single person hear about it before the cancellation notice? Well, no. But it's still somehow our fault that it was cancelled, and not their fault for utterly failing to promote it in any way.

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grue 18 points 5 months ago

Paramount+ is the new 'Friday night time slot.' If they actually gave a shit about having the show being successful, they would've syndicated it to a streaming service people actually use.

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usernamefactory 13 points 5 months ago

This is depressing, if accurate, in that it may also be a signal that the new owner is looking for a new production company to manage the franchise just when things had finally and consistently stabilized with Secret Hideout.

I'm sure they are, and suspect that this would be the trajectory regardless of Academy's viewership. The new ownership will be looking to develop a new, more fascism-friendly flavour of Star Trek in the next few years. Tremendous shame, but not a surprise.

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StillPaisleyCat 10 points 5 months ago

It seems that my initial reaction was overly hasty and upset.

As I just replied to another post, towards the end of the article, Variety says, citing an unnamed source:

According to an individual with knowledge of the situation, Kurtzman and CBS Studios are currently in talks for a new deal that will keep him in the CBS fold. In addition to his work on “Star Trek,” he has produced shows like the “Hawaii Five-O” reboot, “Scorpion,” and “Salvation.”

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usernamefactory 6 points 5 months ago

Didn't catch that either. I guess we'll see if those talks actually go anywhere.

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Tmiwi 0 points 5 months ago
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hopesdead 43 points 5 months ago

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astronaut_sloth 30 points 5 months ago

Oh man this is really sad. I liked SFA way more than I thought I would. The cast was top notch, and they had some good stories. Genuinely sad to see this one go.

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haverholm 29 points 5 months ago

Well, I'll be damned. The hate campaigners seem to have won, despite solid signs that the show was actually doing quite well with the target group — internationally, if less so in the US?

This is very sad news, the show seemed to go from strength to strength in its first season.

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billmason 23 points 5 months ago

Random reactions:

  • Disappointed but not surprised.
  • Even though the article leaves this an open question, I will be surprised if Kurtzman returns after this.
  • At least they didn't memory hole S2 as a tax write off.
  • I wonder if they will attempt (and be allowed to attempt) to rework the S2 'cliffhanger-ish/lite' ending into something else, or if it's just impractical to rework a "part 1 of 2" episode into a 1 episode contained story.
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StillPaisleyCat 6 points 5 months ago

The odd thing is that Variety seems to be saying that, according to the same unnamed inside source, negotiations are still underway for Kurtzman and Secret Hideout to continue production for CBS Studios (which I failed to notice on my initial read of the piece).

According to an individual with knowledge of the situation, Kurtzman and CBS Studios are currently in talks for a new deal that will keep him in the CBS fold. In addition to his work on “Star Trek,” he has produced shows like the “Hawaii Five-O” reboot, “Scorpion,” and “Salvation.”

If so, I’m wondering if someone leaked the specific detail of the termination of Starfleet Academy with the hope of a fan campaign to save it…

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billmason 8 points 5 months ago

If so, I’m wondering if someone leaked the specific detail of the termination of Starfleet Academy with the hope of a fan campaign to save it…

Having a "goodbye letter" from Kurtzman etc released with the announcement doesn't really scream "stealth leak" to me. IMHO.

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StillPaisleyCat 4 points 5 months ago path: 0 22826436 22826615 22826692 22826832, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 3
billmason 3 points 5 months ago

There wasn’t a goodbye letter at the time of the Variety exclusive — but Deadline and everyone has it now.

So you're saying Variety added it after the fact? It was there when I saw it, which was like 15 minutes after the time of publication.

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haverholm 6 points 5 months ago path: 0 22826436 22826615 22827032, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
ValueSubtracted 21 points 5 months ago

Well, damn.

There's inevitably (and understandably) going to be a lot of speculation about what, exactly, led to this decision, but...in the absence of any further information, I'm just going to be bummed about it.

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StillPaisleyCat 18 points 5 months ago

A more measured take VS than I can manage at present.

My partner commented “It wouldn’t take much with the Ellisons” when I said it was reportedly canceled but, I have been hoping that there just might be more sophistication in the analysis of the show’s potential in a bigger, broader streamer.

My own thoughts go to women like my mother-in-law now in her 90s, or the superfan Bjo Trimble, who watched and supported Star Trek and other science fiction media, decade after decade, without seeing many women like themselves in principle roles.

They weren’t watching because of their husbands or kids, they were enjoying science fiction for themselves and their views, and all the related licensed media and merchandise they bought produced exactly the same advertising and other revenue.

Yet, entitled middle aged guys — who aren’t even in the key youth demographic anymore — want to define the franchise and seem to be being listened to.

Older person that I am, I recall the boys in the neighborhood would take their toys and wouldn’t join imaginative play unless they got to be the hero. I guess they never changed.

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grue 12 points 5 months ago

Bjo Trimble

One of the organizers of the letter-writing campaign that saved TOS for a third season, for folks who don't know.

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StillPaisleyCat 7 points 5 months ago

There’s a new change.org petition for a 3rd season of Starfleet Academy that broke 500 signatures in the first hour.

No idea if the executives would pay attention but it’s a way to counter the narrative of the negative brigading the show has been dogged by.

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billmason 15 points 5 months ago

Here's the first (big FWIW/grain of salt/etc) thing on the decision that's I've seen (besides the TrekMovie article note that 'it's no secret that the show didn't Nielsen chart'). From author Mike Chen on Bluesky.

From the few insiders I know, viewership was actually above expectations and this was more of a "future of the franchise" corporate decision. I'm expecting Trek to be in flux as there are SO MANY variables. Everything from tech stocks to Iran to midterms is impacting Paramount.

Leaving the link to his post here for reference but he has his posts hidden unless you're logged into Bluesky.

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ValueSubtracted 6 points 5 months ago

Hmm, that is a very interesting data point.

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billmason 7 points 5 months ago

Here's another one to ponder.

I commented on social media that even though the press reports say the question is open, his "farewell" letter in the reports read to me like someone on the way out talking to his successor. And Brian Tatosky (one of the VFX team) replied:

Yes, SFA being cancelled is part of ending his tenure of Trek once we finish the work we have.

So it sure seems like the end of the road.

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ValueSubtracted 5 points 5 months ago

Well, he's certainly in a better position to know than any of us in the peanut gallery.

Let's hope they get it over with and make an announcement sooner, rather than later.

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billmason 1 point 5 months ago
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MadMadBunny 19 points 5 months ago

WHAT?!??!? NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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Kirk 19 points 5 months ago

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homesweethomeMrL 16 points 5 months ago

Ellison death-to-woke is underway.

Next up: Rambo reboot

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TheFinn 16 points 5 months ago

My kids and me love this show 😩

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supersquirrel 12 points 5 months ago

Im so sad

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Kraven_the_Hunter 10 points 5 months ago

I can honestly take this, though I do want more Star Trek content. I will continue to watch the show, but it's really asking for a lot of suspended belief in each episode. A random sampling of my problems with the show:

  1. You take fresh, untrained to partially trained students, put them in a mobile school, and then intentionally fly that ship full of children into known dangerous areas of space?

  2. We've had decades of the best in Starfleet fully commissioned officers solving complex problems, and the academy is full of professors and other well educated professionals, yet with every weird anomaly, the approach is, "fuck it let's let the kids handle this one"

  3. Terse negotiations with a previous and potential new member of the federation are done as a spectacle at the academy in front of the students and almost no other high level members of Starfleet, instead of literally anywhere else?

There are many more, but at some point I had to just turn my brain off to continue watching. I'm not used to having to do that so much with Star Trek.

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Soapbox 9 points 5 months ago

That's a shame. There were certainly parts about the show I could nitpick, it is far from perfect. But I enjoyed it. Glad to at least get a season 2.

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Killer57 9 points 5 months ago

I am genuinely happy to hear that Alex Kurtzman is leaving the Star Trek franchise, fuck that guy.

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StillPaisleyCat 5 points 5 months ago

That’s not in the announcements

Variety confirmed that CBS Studios and Kurtzman are continuing to be in negotiations for a renewed partnership.

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Killer57 6 points 5 months ago path: 0 22840611 22841859 22843089, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 3
StillPaisleyCat 4 points 5 months ago

It depends on whether the intent is to integrate the movies and television.

No one involved with the new movies has proven their ability to deliver on Star Trek, whatever their other credentials.

It would be a major risk to give any untested production company and EP the kind of multiyear contract needed to run the franchise.

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Killer57 5 points 5 months ago

Personally I have a much higher chance of going to see the new movie if it has NO ties to Kurtzman, and I am not alone in my friends-group for that opinion. I only went to see Star Trek Beyond because it was a fresh take mostly written by Simon Pegg (A known ST fan), and I think it's the best of the three new movies.

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HubertManne 9 points 5 months ago

If someone had told teenage me that there would be star trek and star wars that not only would I never see but never care to see. heck sci fi in general. its wild.

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IcedRaktajino 8 points 5 months ago

And 4 and 5 for that matter

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FoD 7 points 5 months ago

I have watched all of trek except TOS (just a few famous episodes only).

I just couldn't get into this show and that's okay, I don't need to love every show. Sad to see less Trek as there should be Trek for every type of audience but if they are cancelling then I'm guessing the show didn't find its mark with people.

I don't know how to appeal to younger audiences, there are people smarter than me to figure that out but I hope to have a trek for me again someday.

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Shadow 5 points 5 months ago

Does that mean we're not even going to get a nice ending for season 2?

Hopefully they had enough of a sense it was coming to wrap things up.

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billmason 6 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately, they did a cliffhanger.

Now you have to wonder if they can untangle it into one coherent finale episode, and if Paramount will even give them the approval to untangle it in the first place.

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Kirk 1 point 5 months ago

I'd rather have a cliffhanger and a glimmer of hope it could be resolved in a future movie.

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StillPaisleyCat 6 points 5 months ago

I’m always concerned that having an unresolved cliffhanger has the opposite impact.

It discourages new viewers from trying a show and undermines the case for a movie.

A Firefly to Serendipity outcome is vanishingly rare.

And unlike Farscape, the production company partner can’t get the IP back and make a limited series or streaming movie to resolve it.

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Kirk 3 points 5 months ago

That's good point. I enjoyed the Discovery finale well enough but I also can't deny it definitely felt rushed.

I can't say for sure if I'd prefer a rushed conclusion over a well-considered writing that gets cut short!

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fixmycode 3 points 5 months ago

The algorithm felt it wasn't hitting the right taste clusters

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hopesdead 1 point 5 months ago
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hal_5700X 1 point 5 months ago

…and nothing of value was lost.

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Killer57 0 points 5 months ago

Don't give me hope like that.

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paris -1 points 5 months ago

Maybe a minority take here, but I think this is good. I liked the first season and would honestly be satisfied with it ending where and how it did. Getting another season out of it is awesome so we can flesh out the backstories and experiences of the characters that didn't get as much development, but I think this show is better served by just a couple really good relatively self contained seasons. I would hate to see the show dragged out beyond that, personally. I got into Star Trek from Lower Decks and I like having different shows tackling different aspects of the Star Trek universe, rather than one or two long-running shows that never truly end. I think I just like an open and closed show that has an interesting story with an end in sight so the story that gets told is more fleshed out and feels more important. I'm excited for another season and want to see what they do with it!

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usernamefactory 10 points 5 months ago

I agree about shows not overstaying their welcome, but for me the natural length of an Academy show would be 4 years (or however long we agree a cadet stays at the academy). After that, we could have a new Trek show with a new mission statement, but allow it to carry over a select few characters from Academy in the same way that Academy adopted a few of Discovery's characters. That would strike me as a nice natural rhythm.

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itisileclerk -4 points 5 months ago

I'm seriously surprised the series wasn't canceled after the pilot. SFA has nothing to do with the look and feel of Star Trek.

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TheKingBee 17 points 5 months ago

That's how I felt about half way through the pilot, I said to my partner "I don't think I can handle a grimdark trek," but then they started introducing the actual premise of the show, how starfleet had a dark time, but was now rebuilding and reaffirming it's ideals.

I personally liked the vibe, it felt hopeful. Dark times don't last forever and things do get better, but still leave an impact.

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Kirk 6 points 5 months ago

"no but like, where are you from"

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ragas -4 points 5 months ago

I couldn't watch SFA beyond the first few minutes of the first episode. This wan't Star Trek for me. Star Trek for me needs to be a show about a utopia.

If you want to have a dystopic show, just don't call it Star Trek and I will watch the shit out of it.

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ValueSubtracted 18 points 5 months ago

Couldn't read your comment beyond the first few letters, 0/10.

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ragas 8 points 5 months ago

Ok, so does the series get better after start of the pilot? Because it seemed so far of that I thought there was no recovering from that.

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FriendOfDeSoto 8 points 5 months ago

You'll never know if you don't watch it.

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ragas 8 points 5 months ago

Sure but how much time am I willing to invest into something that looks to me like it is bad?

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Akuchimoya 3 points 5 months ago

The first episode was just set up. The entire rest of the season is the actual show.

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zelifcam 1 point 5 months ago
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TheKingBee 16 points 5 months ago

There is still a utopia though, it has just been tested and they failed some of the tests and now they're trying to rebuild.

It's back to basics hopeful, a society trying to live up to it's ideals again.

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ragas 4 points 5 months ago

Ok, I guess I'll give it another shot then.

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paris 7 points 5 months ago

The first episode is not a good sample of the rest of the show and genuinely feels like an entirely different writing team. The rest of the show feels more like finding and fighting for a utopia, where the first episode feels a lot more pessimistic at the idea that a utopia is even possible. I genuinely recommend skipping through the first episode as much as you want just to get the setting and characters out of it, then start actually watching from the second episode on.

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