iPhone 15 buyers will be reminded Lightning cables are now landfill

3 years ago by stopthatgirl7 to c/technology

Leaker yeux1122 says that Apple Store staff have been told to make sure iPhone 15 buyers know about the change...

dudewitbow 59 points 3 years ago

If theyre in the apple ecosystem, they already have apple products that charge with USB-C.

not an apple user myself, by my cousin is stoked he doesnt have to carry extra cables to charge his phone as he already carries his Macbook charger with him. Doesnt apply to magsafe ones for obvious reasons

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SmoothLiquidation 14 points 3 years ago

The magsafe ones still use USB-C on the charger side, and you are not required to use the magsafe cable, so honestly just bringing the charger and a C-to-C cable will charge both the phone and the laptop.

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aard 5 points 3 years ago

How do people even use the magsafe cables? Not a mac user, but I initially liked the idea - so I got some cables and port inserts which pretty much look like the apple variant. I stopped using it after killing a charger by shorting it out with some metal particles trapped by the magnet, and noticing that all cables started collecting small metal particles when used outside of a sterile environment.

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SmoothLiquidation 5 points 3 years ago

My current laptop has a MagSafe, and I had laptops from before they had switched to usb c charging and I have never had that problem.

Do you work in a metal shop?

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aard 4 points 3 years ago

Do you work in a metal shop?

Not that I'm aware of.

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Tag365 1 point 3 years ago

Wait, did all cables collect metal particles all the time, or did the MagSafe charger change that so it suddenly started doing that to every charger you own?

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kalleboo 1 point 3 years ago

The MagSafe ones can still charge over USB-C if you want to, using MagSafe is optional. I never bring the MagSafe cable when I travel and just use regular USB-C cables.

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vacuumfountain 47 points 3 years ago

Apple doesn’t tell its store employees SHIT. We were on MacRumors and streaming the keynotes so we wouldn’t be blindsided. I really doubt they were told this.

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cuchilloc 39 points 3 years ago

I don’t get it, current charger is usbc out. The current charging cable is usbc to lighting. Why won’t the included cable work with the old charger? New cable should be just usbc male on both ends. What am I missing?

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squaresinger 86 points 3 years ago

The new cable, that is included in the box, is C to C, both male, so there is literally no issue. Apple is just butthurt that they had to ditch lightning.

And probably they want to redirect the anger of iPhone buyers from them to the EU.

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cuchilloc 29 points 3 years ago

And 9to5 mac is butthurt too? Like… I still have two iPod classic cables and they are not going to the landfill. They will replace the one I use when it breaks. Same will happen for these, you will give them along to whoever still has a lighting jack until they break.

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squaresinger 20 points 3 years ago

They are just reporting what Apple says.

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pewgar_seemsimandroid 2 points 3 years ago

yes

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Cyberwitch_7493 17 points 3 years ago

9to5mac spews the same garbage Apple puts out in my experience.

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HurlingDurling 18 points 3 years ago

They are so butthurt they said they will be limiting data transfer speeds to usb 2.0 because they want people to use their stupid icloud subscription

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SmoothLiquidation 2 points 3 years ago

The lightning phones could only use 2.0 speeds. There is no change to the hardware except for the form factor of the connector.

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HurlingDurling 10 points 3 years ago

And that is the problem. If Apple was truly selling top end hardware they should have used a USB-3 or even a Thunderbolt 4 port and possibly a truly fast charging experience, but again, they don't want their customers to use their usb-c ports for anything but charging because that would lower the value of iCloud and they like that subscription money now.

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Cabrio 57 points 3 years ago

Apple is trying to claim it's the fault of regulators that usb-c to lightning cables will be useless e-waste despite being the wankers that chose to use lightning instead of usb-c in the first place.

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anteaters 26 points 3 years ago

It's good that regulators put a stop to Apple producing even more proprietary BS cables then.

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NOT_RICK 14 points 3 years ago

Lightning predates USB C by like two years

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Cabrio 38 points 3 years ago

But not USB as a standard it doesn't. They still chose proprietary over standard because wankers.

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Earthwormjim91 13 points 3 years ago

Micro usb fucking sucked. Being a standard doesn’t mean shit when the standard is shit.

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NOT_RICK -6 points 3 years ago

Sure, but that moves us out of a conversation about e-waste

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dogslayeggs 6 points 3 years ago

I was a bit skeptical of your statement, because it FELT like they came out at the same time; but you are completely correct. The iPhone 5 with lightning was released Sep 2012, and the USB-C standard was published in Aug 2014. Almost exactly 2 years later. The first smartphone with USB-C didn't come out until a full year later, though. So lightning was more like 3 years ahead in the phone world.

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eskimofry 2 points 3 years ago

Two years is like no time in the land of technology standards. Apple did not know whats going to happen in 2 years? Come on!

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NOT_RICK 1 point 3 years ago

They weren’t going to keep a huge 30 pin connector for two extra iPhone models or spend two years on microusb just to quickly switch to usb-c. And I think they went with the 40-pin over micro-usb as they already had a base of consumers with those cables from the success of iPods. If Wikipedia is correct micro usb was only announced six months prior to the original iPhone.

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dogslayeggs 3 points 3 years ago

The chargers are fine, but the old cables are now much less useful. The only thing left (I think?) that uses lightning are AirPods.

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kbotc 4 points 3 years ago

AirPods, Mighty Mouse, Magic Trackpad.

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stopthatgirl7 1 point 3 years ago

That’s going to be me after the iPhone 15 comes out. I’ve been needing to upgrade for a while now, but have been waiting until the 15 comes out so I can switch over to usb-c. The only one left after that will be my AirPods.

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ilega_dh 1 point 3 years ago

All my bricks are still USB-A because they don’t break, so if I were to come home with a C to C cable, I’d be out of luck.

But it’s just a sales tactic, people are acting like Apple is trying to start an uprising against the EU or something

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kalleboo 1 point 3 years ago

I have friends who still have iPhone XR, XS etc and those came with USB A bricks. And any time I buy some cheap gadget with a USB-C port it just comes with a USB-A to C cable. So I can see lots of people still out there with only USB A chargers, although you'd think they would be in the minority now.

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Dracocide 31 points 3 years ago

"Landfill" Wouldn't it be best if you donate a cable or something if its in a good enough condition?

Better than just tossing it out, especially if some people don't upgrade every single release and would still like a cable.

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mikeboltonshair 10 points 3 years ago

Ya that’s dumb asf, especially if it’s just to charge the phone which the majority of people only need it for that.

Problem solved, I have usb c to lightning adaptor too anyone needs to borrow my cable to charge I can use it and so can they

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Noodle07 2 points 3 years ago

You mean the "re-use" part of reduce, re-use, recycle? Well no it's not profitable you see

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GigglyBobble 1 point 3 years ago

Not from Apple's point of view. They want you to buy their latest and greatest, not some used device. They just tolerate that market to push adoption.

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to55 22 points 3 years ago
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waitmarks 13 points 3 years ago

those are getting changed to usb c as well

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Ghostalmedia 9 points 3 years ago

If you buy new AirPods or a new AirPods case

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WarmSoda 5 points 3 years ago

Obviously

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LazaroFilm 3 points 3 years ago

MagSafe Charging. I haven’t used my phone or air pods plugs in months (except for my car that still needs wired CarPlay)

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cordlesslamp 12 points 3 years ago

Previous iphone models are not gonna disappear over night, and there are hundreds of millions of them out there. People are still using iphone 6 and 7 till this day. Lightning cables and accessories are still gonna be made and sold for years to come.

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kalleboo 2 points 3 years ago

Right? All my old phones go to my wife, and her old phones go to the in-laws, etc etc. The cables can be handed over along with the phone.

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revs 7 points 3 years ago

I’ll probably buy one or two of the lightning usb-c adapters to use for a while to allow charging when travelling without extra cables.

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stonedemoman 5 points 3 years ago

What's that Apple?

Bark bark bark

You pushed USBC down the well?

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Cabrio -3 points 3 years ago
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handhookcardoor 52 points 3 years ago

Or leave Apple Store staff alone because they had nothing to do with any of that?

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Cabrio -25 points 3 years ago

Maybe they should talk to their employers about being forced to act like corporate mouthpieces. Or refuse. But if a bootlicker wants to lick boot, give em a taste.

Edit: My bad, I forgot you Americans don't have workers rights. You get what you vote for.

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WarmSoda 20 points 3 years ago

Do you think Apple store employees have the CEOs phone number on autodial?

You're complaining to the girl at checkout about prices like she has anything to do with it.

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Cabrio -10 points 3 years ago

She has a boss doesn't she? You act like there isn't a chain of command like she can't go to her manager and refuse to be a corporate shill.

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hedgehog 10 points 3 years ago

I hope you’re not actually as rude to retail workers, waitstaff, and other members of the service industry as your comments make you seem like you’d be

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Cabrio -9 points 3 years ago

I'm not rude to anybody who isn't rude first.

But if someone is going to act like a braindead mouthpiece for a corporation then I will tell them why they're wrong.

I never said be mean to staff, or rude. And you can't point out where I have because it didn't happen. You can still tell staff that insist on telling you that regulators are the cause of e-waste to inform themselves of their corporations decisions and how they sound parroting lies.

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Veedem 6 points 3 years ago

Do you have any idea how many people are NOT going to be aware of the change and, if the sales people don’t tell them, it’s going to be a steady stream of Karen after Karen in the store. The general public doesn’t follow the tech news like this. Most of them aren’t going to be aware they’ll need a new cable if they need more than what’s in the box.

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Cabrio -1 points 3 years ago
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DeadlineX 0 points 3 years ago

“You get what you vote for”. My friend, you are unfamiliar with American politics it seems. Corruption exists in the world and gerrymandering is a problem in the us. I implore you to see others with empathy instead of hatred.

This comes off very condescending and xenophobic. I get that other countries have better rights. I’d love to have that. But if you don’t quite know the extent of what you’re hatefully spewing, maybe try to see things through others shoes instead of insulting them. We are all people and the world would be a better place if everyone realized that.

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Cabrio 1 point 3 years ago
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garretble 6 points 3 years ago

Or lightning was available first before usbc, and apple went with that and just has been stubborn to change.

Looks like lightning in 2012 and usbc in 2014.

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stonedemoman 15 points 3 years ago

Apple developed lightning. It had the same transfer rate as USB 2.0 which had been out for over a decade. It wasn't about being "stubborn", it was about being proprietary.

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garretble 5 points 3 years ago

That’s a fair point. Apple has been known to do that in the past with FireWire.

But I guess on the issue of whether or not — at the time, two years before usb-c was readily available — apple should have used usb-c or lightning (the thing they helped make), you would assume they would go with lightning over waiting until an unknown amount of time for another plug to be available.

When I say they were stubborn to change from that, they were/are simply stubborn to change from that. I wish they would have pulled the bandaid off when they switched to usb-c on iPad.

Though, that said, barring speed/power, I do actually think the lightning connector is a superior design. It’s simpler, and there’s nothing to break inside the port on the phone/device. I wish usb-c was physically the same or similar.

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olympicyes 4 points 3 years ago

FireWire was legitimately superior at the time, particularly for video transfer.

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stonedemoman 0 points 3 years ago

I still have to disagree. There was no reason for them to develop lightning in the first place. It has 0 advantages over technology already available at the time, and their adapters use the technology they're trying to upsell anyways- USB.

As for the last subjective part of your statement: "The Apple Community forums are full of people posting stories about their broken cables, and it appears to be one of the most common issues that Apple users are facing."

Edit: I wish I could find a conclusive source for lightning vs micro-usb charging speed in 2012, it has proven difficult. This article suggests an extremely negligible 0.3A difference that effectively did nothing because all phone batteries at the time had a 1A charging maximum https://www.gearmo.com/...

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CmdrShepard 7 points 3 years ago

Apple helped develop USB-C too as they are members of the consortium. No (non-self-serving) reason why they couldn't have delayed the swap an additional year or two back then.

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Nurgle -9 points 3 years ago

Staff will advise them that the box includes a USB-C to USB-C cable, but not a charging brick, so they may need to buy one …

Wow big if true.

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noobnarski 5 points 3 years ago

They stopped including a charger a few iPhones ago. At least they can just buy USB C to A cables if they have USB A chargers, and those cables are going to be cheap, unlike apples cables.

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Nurgle 0 points 3 years ago

I was being sarcastic. Apple reminds customers old power bricks nay not work with new cables is kind of a non story.

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lud 0 points 3 years ago

The semi old power bricks will work though since they are USB C out.

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