And less desire to own nuclear bombs. Can't blame them if they want nukea that can reach the fatland now
Not that USA has any more of a justified reason to have nukes vs Iran especially after threatening to exterminate them.
Tried the smart ways for decades, soooo..
People won't accept a gas tax to fund maintenance and post-oil development, but a war and 110% price hike, sure. It's madness.
No they didn't.
I think we're talking about a different set of 'they'
TBF, the only worse option is to not move away from oil at all...
Yep. All this way does is hurt the fuck out of anyone that isn't rich.
For the next few centuries at least, more people will be hurt by climate change. It's sucks for us now but it's still a net gain.
Oh I agree, 100%. My heart breaks for all the people hurting because of this greedy, gluttonous idiocy. 😔 Nonetheless, sometimes my brain is tired and I don't have the energy to articulate a more nuanced take. More and more often, in fact.
Yes capitalism is the dumbest system possible. Literally destroying the planet so a few dickheads can ride yachts.
False. Things can be both dumb and functional.
Okay Dwight
Oil getting expensive makes everything expensive. If it was just the price at the pump I might agree with you.
Stuff is still underpriced all of the environmental devastation required to produce them via fossil fuels.
Okay, well let's also talk about fixing the wage gap. Doing one without the other is just going to make the problem worse.
Doing one without the other is just going to make the problem worse.
I think you guys may be talking about different problems. Oil being expensive is good in the environmental sense, as it tends to push people and businesses away from using it. The wage gap and cost of living issues are affected by oil prices, but are a separate issue.
Saaaaaame
Don’t worry, it’ll come down miraculously just in time for major midterm elections.
CHILDREN, not students.
Students can be adults.
It was 168 little kids.
CHILDREN, not students.
Children attending a girl's school at the time of the bombing. The iconic photo of the incident was blood-splattered backpacks. I'd say "student" is spot on.
Also kinda flies in the face of the endless White Nationalist propaganda, insisting women in Iran are all prisoners in their own homes and treated as chattel to be sold off for profit by their parents. These girls were slaughtered, in no small part, because the American military feared that they would grow up to join the Iranian professional class. By becoming doctors and teachers and engineers - perhaps even nuclear scientists - they posed the same existential risk to American Hegemony that Cuban doctors and South African teachers and Chinese engineers present.
It was 168 little kids.
It was 168 future Iranian adults. Future patriots who might continue the project of the 1979 Revolution in defiance of a Global US Hegemony. Future members of the intelligensia who might contribute to the Iranian economy and polity. Future mothers to the next generation of Iranians.
Just like with Palestine, the murder of kids is paramount to the project of ethnically cleansing a nation. Especially if the children are in a position to one day become peers of and competitors to your nation's own children.
I won't pretend Iran is the beginning, but I predict that the American embrace of genocidal policy will continue to spread - west and south of Syria and Libya, north and east of Iran - until every member of the Global South is once again put into their place or exterminated.
Huh? No one is arguing the facts. It's the rhetoric in the post that is being commented on.
The Epstein Brigades love this joke
I agree.
They'd also be alive if our two ruling parties didn't have the same positions on Israel and hiding the Epstein Files.
Yeah, Biden had the files too. It’s not like there’s any shortage of Israel worshipping Iran warhawks on the dem side, either.
Things might have been a little different but I doubt they’d be as different as OP thinks.
Biden did nothing in reaction to a Coup attempt and scapegoated Garland. Nobody bats an eye at that, it's insane. I think the federal court seal on Epstein Files is true to an extent but that wasn't the only thing they could've taken Trump down with. They chose to punish nobody important for Jan 6th, emboldening the new confederates.
Biden also could have said "fuck the seal" and declassified and published them anyways. Even if they were later retracted and deleted from the DOJ website, the internet would share them around.
Of course Joe Biden and the wider DNC didn't want those documents released, because they would implicate big Democrat donors and create mass-disillusionment. They got released now as a way to spite Trump, and perhaps because whatever disarray they incited would be under Trump's rule... or perhaps because Democrats correctly determined that the USA wasn't going to riot or enact a mass-strike or do anything "radical" after learning that their entire life has been played by billionaire sex-trafficking child-raping baby-eating pedophiles </3
You very well could be right, I'm not American so I'm less intimate with their legal system. My main point was just that there were (and still will be) so many paths to putting the pedo in prison and Dems simply didn't even try to.
Biden had the files too.
"The Epstein files were not released during the Biden administration (2021–2025) primarily because they were under strict federal court seals related to ongoing criminal investigations and the appeal of Ghislaine Maxwell."
Google is your friend if you know how to use it. Stop spreading misinformation online. You are being part of the problem.
Epstien's flight logs were publicly released during the Ghislaine Maxwell trial which occured before he ever took office. The FBI raided Little Saint James in 2019. But sure, lets pretend the president had absolutely no idea about it because they didn't publicly release a folder labeled "The Epstien Files" while he was in office.
Biden could have tested the powers the Supreme Court handed him and done so anyway, calling it an official act.
But since he was utterly spineless and pretended to respect the law as long as the law wasn't preventing him from selling weapons for genocide, he didn't.
Oh yeah that thing where the state doesn't prosecute hundreds of criminals because it's prosecuting one. Yes totally normal.
Lemmy basically exists at this point for idiots to deliberately misunderstand the workings of the government in order to blame the democratic party for illegal shit the republicans do. Every single time republicans do something heinous these chuds come out screaming about why the Dems let this happen and how it's actually their fault for not stopping the people in absolute power, it's fucking bananas. 95 percent of lemmy is basically the worst ten percent of reddit, and most prominent commenters seem to use gpt or something else to think their thoughts for them. Lemmy is a fucking joke when it comes to discussing politics and it's every bit as arbitrarily moderated as reddit.
for idiots
Amazing way to start your argument
to deliberately misunderstand the workings of the government
No, we understand it very clearly; power and/or money rules, and laws are suggestions for politicians
in order to blame the democratic party for illegal shit the republicans do
Who's left to enforce what's legal? If the entire government is compromised, and constantly approving of illegal shit, what use is there in caring about laws and legality of actions? Power rules, laws are mere suggestions to the Epstein-class
Every single time republicans do something heinous these chuds come out screaming about why the Dems let this happen and how it's actually their fault for not stopping the people in absolute power
They had so many chances to pull exactly the same shit to stop evil and never did in the name of "normality". They knew that Republicans are neo-nazi fascists and did jack shit to use their temporary power to stop them. If they want to market themselves as the "good guys" and then choose not to stop cartoonish levels of evil how do they expect any remaining support? You're not blaming the wolf, screaming they're hungry for chickens, for eating the chickens; you blame the shepherd for not grabbing the shotgun and headshotting the wolves in sight. If Democrats want to claim they're "not stepping down to the level of illegal actions" while knowing if they don't then the neo-nazi fascist regime is coming (and now it has already arrived, good job), they're just as bad. Something something one nazi in a bar = nazi bar
95 percent of lemmy is basically the worst ten percent of reddit, and most prominent commenters seem to use gpt or something else to think their thoughts for them
Lmao we're entering the era of deflecting arguments by claiming it's written/thought-conceived by an LLM. I wonder if there's already a name for that fallacy
Lemmy is a fucking joke when it comes to discussing politics and it's every bit as arbitrarily moderated as reddit.
There's not even a central moderation; go to a different instance (and follow different communities) if you're so upset by the local moderation.
By the way I'm not even from the US, I just find it depressing to follow the situation from here in Europe knowing this is likely what's waiting for us in 10-20 years. Let's hope our democracy is better than yours
Where does that lead us though? Does knowing for sure, instead of just knowing, justify putting trump in office?
We have that answer, loud and clear from the dnc
Never ending corp greed cause of sabotage by your neighbours is what would happen otherwise. Now we have more corruption but many people finally realise who is the real enemy
Fake news conservative media has had a part to play in leading us here. Fucking pieces of shit.
I feel I should say something profound and witty about this.
But really I find the course this country is on depressing. Democracy is slipping away and at every turn I keep thinking even the republicans have to admit it's gone too far, but no, they are okay with it.
I know that historically we have done some really evil things, but I'd thought we were past that.
I keep thinking of a clip I saw of musk saying how empathy was a sickness.
We are a country full of monsters pretending to be human.
I know that historically we have done some really evil things, but I'd thought we were past that.
The whole point of "Never Forget" was to remind us that we can never be passed that. The Nazis weren't monsters, they were human beings. Human beings are capable of incredible atrocities, and we need to constantly remind ourselves of that. Make it the foundation of our whole society. But unfortunately the average person in unable to see past their own lifetime, and therefore sees no point in doing anything that could affect real change for future generations.
I keep thinking even the republicans have to admit it’s gone too far, but no, they are okay with it.
That's because they are fascists. There is no end game with fascism. It's a mad dash for more and more control until the situation implodes in upon itself.
Republicans are fascists. By definition.
Yeah but you gotta be a child to believe that the privileged ever face justice.
And a child to believe society is not exhausted by endless overuse/abuse of character assassinations.
At this point puff daddy and r Kelly could team up and take on all of a high whole schools prom dates (boys and girls) and ppl would ignore it.
Don't believe me? Then explain why Cosby is free and on the streets, and Clinton, and trump, and putin, and worst of alll all..rhiana.
Rihanna was caught saying ‘Please Don’t Stop the Music.’
Not sure it works that way. Great man theory is not a great model for how history unfolds. The third reich didn't end because Hitler died, Hitler died because the third reich ended. Saying the US illegally attacked Iran because of Trump has the same depth of analysis as saying the murder of Franz Ferdinand is why WWI happened.
Also, the word is children
Agreed. This war happened because Iran supplies a large quantity of oil to China, and the oligarchs are fucking terrified of the rise of communism and the implications it has for their way of life. This war and the attack on Venezuela are both part of the encirclement strategy that capitalists are employing in an attempt to choke China’s economy before the west is eclipsed.
They’ve left it too late though, China’s green revolution will soon free them and the global south from the capitalist oil hegemony.
The world would be a better place with this pedophile in jail but don't assume US wouldn't have start another war without him.
COVID likely would not have become a global pandemic, and president Pence would likely be in the middle of his third presidential term if Republicans in Congress had the moral spine to impeach him in January 2020.
Yeah who was it that didn't prosecute again after jacking off about law and order and proves I can't remember
No, unfortunately the president of the US tends to go along with the swamp on foreign policy decisions, therefore we would be in the exact same situation regardless of the election.
Here is a link to a Kamala Harris speech on the official Biden white house archives. This was less than a month before the election.
We know Hamas is not the only threat Israel faces. On October 8, Hezbollah began launching rockets at Israel, and the Houthis in Yemen began targeting Israeli cities.
And what is the common thread? Well, we all know: Iran, which has now also directly attacked Israel twice.
I am clear-eyed. Iran is a destabilizing and dangerous force.
When Donald Trump was president, he let Iran off the hook. After Iran and its proxies attacked U.S. bases and American troops, Trump did nothing. And he pulled out of the nuclear deal without any plan, leading to an unconstrained Iranian nuclear program.
On the other hand, our administration struck Iranian proxies in Iraq and Syria when they attacked American troops, and we are the first administration to ever directly defend Israel.
Make no mistake, as president, I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend American forces and interests from Iran and Iran-backed terrorists, and I will never allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon.
Diplomacy is my preferred path to that end, but all options are on the table.
She literally called Trump a pussy for not bombing Iran more and pledges to start a war with Iran if necessary for the express goal of defending Israel.
Trump deserves to be called a hypocrite for campaigning on the opposite of this, but really we never had a choice.
Uhhhhh kinda. I did vote for her once but let's be honest it's a protest vote more than anything. Much ink has already been spilled about how the system is hostile to third party candidates and why.
Nah, we already have a Russian plant in the White House.
I remember the 1980s when the Republicans were accusing their political opponents of being commies or "pinkos" or some secret agents of Russia, but I never dreamed that Red Scare nonsense would get resurrected in the Democratic Party. Pretty funny. You aren't as different as you think you are.
Um, except Jill Stein has verifiable ties to the Kremlin.
Also, I'm not a fucking Democrat I'm a fucking socialist.
Also, the red scare was in the '50s and '60s, not the '80s.
Or if zionism was actively resisted as a genocidal ideology.
"But that's communism!"
I don't know if "KentuckyBLUE" is engaged in a political party or anything, but now is the time for pushing to take Trump to prison instead of hangwringing the foregone conclusion that no one is taking him there.
It'd be a salient rallying point for an opposition party to be pushing.
I liked a facebook post, that's worth one love&prayer
Tell me again, who's fault is it? Who failed to persecute Trump after he failed to return the confidential files? Or his hush money endeavour?
Prosecute. Persecute is what he does to his enemies, which at this point is any that disagrees with his insane reality.
Ah, seems I made mistake due to language quirk (there's no distinction between these terms in my native language). Thanks for clarification
Tell me again, who’s fault is it?
Where to even begin? I guess you could start by reading Settlers.
probably other locations with others we don’t hear about as much.
In other words, the brown people ICE killed.
And remember that "Epic Fury" is over so they can skirt Congress. Anything for the next 60 days is "Sledgehammer".
Le epic furries
Trump planned, recruited, promoted, and launched a violent Insurrection with the goal of overthrowing the government, killing many of his enemies, including his own VP, and installing himself as Dictator-For-Life.
In most nations throughout history, and even many today, a failed Insurrection like that, would have led to him, and every one of his henchmen, and most of his family, being dragged out of the White House and publicly executed on the front lawn.
(That's the comment that got me permabanned from Reddit after 12 years, and a million Karma).
He was also proven to have stolen hundreds of classified documents, lied about it, and moved them around to prevent them being found by the FBI.
Either of those two crimes should get him a Life sentence in the worst prison, and they barely scratch the surface. The fact that the Biden administration couldn't figure out how to make him answer for those two open & shut cases after 4 years, and allowed him to rig the election as well, is one of the worst examples of Political Malpractice I've ever witnessed.
For allowing MAGA to rise again, and steal the presidency, Biden will be relegated to the Bottom 15, maybe even Bottom 10 of all presidents. Piss poor.
Not all, but how bad policy affects your pocket drives (pun intended) home a point to people who lack empathy.
I just filled up my 25 year old Subaru and spent $55. That's a significant percentage of the value of the car at this point in its life. Some people can't do that once or twice a week, and in a country that basically mandates you drive, outside of major metropolitan centers, it sucks.
Republicans forget who was president when covid started
Democrats forget who was president when the genocide started
If you think President Harris doesn't follow Israel into war with Iran, you are dumb
Democrats forget who was president when the genocide started
They didn't forget; they're in denial. The left was pretty vocal at the time about how Biden was bending over backwards to assist Netanyahu in his war crimes. They should be sharing a cell right now.
Israel had attempted to goad the U.S. into going to war with Iran since G.W. Bush was president by using the "We are going to strike with or without you" excuse. Bush knew it was a trick. Obama knew it was a trick. Trump's people in the first admin knew it was a trick. Biden knew it was a trick.
Only an unrestrained Trump surrounded by evangelical warhawks who believe in starting a holy war to bring about the end times would be dumb enough to take Israel's bait. It was a complete unforced error.
Kamala couldn't possibly be described as tough on Israel, but I doubt she would have surrounded herself with Fox News sycophants who could possibly convince her to jump at the chance to begin a new protracted war in the Middle East. Only Trump is uniquely unqualified enough to do such a thing.
What the fuck delusional shit is this.
SHE **WAS **A FOX NEWS SYCHOPHANT WHO WAS THE VP FOR AN ADMINISTRATION THAT JUMPED AT THE CHANCE TO BEGIN A NEW PROTRACTED WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST
THIS IS THE SAME WAR
EXIT YOUR FUCKING MIND PALACE
Oh-Ho! Are you getting upset at me erasing a holocaust I supported?
Perhaps you are mentally unwell!
What's your point? Got more Nazi shit you're thinking of doing right now?
If you think President Harris doesn't follow Israel into war with Iran, you are dumb
I guess we will never know and are stuck with the hundreds of dead on our hands (so far).
I wonder 🤔 will independents remember who allowed a dictator to install themselves because they decided to gamble at the worst time?
oh that's right, independent voters have an aversion to reality and refuse to accept any responsibility for the outcome of the 2024 election results.
that sounds oddly familiar...

Not just independents. A lot of Democrats didn't vote for Harris, either.
It is everybody's responsibility to vote, and just because you didn't hear about any anti-genocide candidates, that doesn't mean that they weren't on the ballot. In 2024, we had two of them: Jill Stein and Cornel West. Together, they didn't even get 1% of the vote.
passing that buck back to democrats I see.
Stein was a candidate not grounded in reality. West was barely even talked about outside of independent voter circles.
the only candidate that had any real hope of winning against Trump was Harris. not because she was the best. because she was the only candidate put forward by the opposition party, and she wasn't Trump. she was the only candidate with a history with voters. she was literally the only candidate talked about other than Trump.
The DNC wasn't trying to win the election, they were trying to stay in power.
Independents were not trying to win the election, they were grasping for power.
the failures of both parties and their ineptitude allowed the Trump regime to steal the seat.
2024 was a pivotal moment when both democrats and independents should have put their differences aside and put forward a singular candidate that wasn't Biden, Harris, Stein, or West.
Instead the American public got the same old song and dance, which the republican party has proven they can work around again and again.
so, whose fault is it that Trump gained the seat again? American voters who failed to read the room and pass their votes grounded in reality. not the DNC. not Independent organizations.
passing that buck back to democrats I see.
I'm not passing the buck. I'm giving them credit. Not voting for Harris was the right thing to do.
Stein was a candidate not grounded in reality.
Stein wanted to stop arms shipments to Israel. Trump and Harris wanted to continue them.
Stein wanted universal, single-payer healthcare. Trump and Harris did not.
I could go on and on, but if Stein wasn't "grounded in reality", then neither is progressivism.
2024 was a pivotal moment when both democrats and independents should have put their differences aside and put forward a singular candidate that wasn’t Biden, Harris, Stein, or West.
Wouldn't it make more sense to unite behind a candidate who already had ballot lines and party infrastructure? I supported Rocky Anderson in 2012. He was trying to build out his party during his presidential campaign. He was not able to get on enough ballots to get the required number of electors to win. I did not vote for Rocky Anderson in 2012.
"I don't take responsibility at all"
I guess we will never know and are stuck with the hundreds of dead on our hands (so far).
Hundreds of dead? You start the counting only once Trump is in office? You killed hundreds of thousands. And you don't take responsibility at all. You literally point at a picture of Trump and blame him for all of your sins.

What a baby
Guess you didn't have much to say after all
Democrats forget who was president when the genocide started
Joseph Biden wasn't president of Israel.
If you think President Harris doesn’t follow Israel into war with Iran
Mmm, useless speculation. Tastes like shit.
Damn, this site is astroturfed.
My comment is referring to all the comments rushing to whatabout Dems. If that means I should go fuck myself then so be it.
No, no, you're good, sorry. Carry on.
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And also Iran would still have had no nuclear bomb
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