You're either HYDROGEN or HELIUM. Carbon-based lifeforms don't exist, sweatie

5 months ago by PugJesus to c/science_memes

failedLyndonLaRouchite 62 points 5 months ago
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rockerface 29 points 5 months ago

The funniest part about this is 1 isn't even prime.

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deadbeef79000 18 points 5 months ago

That's always irked me. I get that one is very very special.

It's probably because I learned that a prime only "has factors of one and itself"... rather than "exactly two unique factors" per se.

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rImITywR 38 points 5 months ago

It's more that all the interesting things that come from prime numbers don't really work if you include 1 as a prime. So every time you talked about primes you would have to say "something something prime number, other than 1, yadda yadda".

For example: The Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic states that every natural number can be expressed as a finite product of primes, and that prime factorization is unique.

So

12 = 2^2 x 3

is the only way to express 12 as a product of primes. But if we include 1 as a prime, then

12 = 1 x 2^2 x 3
    = 1^2 x 2^2 x 3
    = 1^3 x 2^2 x 3

etc. There are infinite prime factorization of every natural number, and the most interesting part of the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic no longer holds.

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deadbeef79000 6 points 5 months ago

That... helped! :-)

TYVM for explaining that!

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MonkderVierte 2 points 5 months ago

Prime is just a artifical restriction, like, a blue sky is only a sky if it's blue.

1 / 2 is 0.5, a half. Nothing special about it.

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rockerface 3 points 5 months ago

It is actually more useful for 1 to not be considered prime in terms of application of the concept, as the other comments mentioned. Of course it's artificial, all of math is. But the artificial definitions in science only stay in place if they're actually useful.

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Evotech 16 points 5 months ago

If you wrote an algorithm that just outputs yes for all youd be 94% correct

AI is about 60-90% correct for comparison

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ininewcrow 13 points 5 months ago

I also always loved Xeno's paradox ... specifically the Dichotomy Paradox (Halving): To travel from point A to point B, you must first reach the halfway point, but before you reach that halfway point, you reach the halfway point of those two points and on and on and on into infinity ... which suggests that in order to get from any point A to any point B, you have to cross infinity ... but it's impossible to travel to infinity so the suggestion of the paradox is that you should never be able to reach any point B

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SpaceNoodle 8 points 5 months ago

We cross infinity all the time. Git gud

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LogicalDrivel 9 points 5 months ago

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ininewcrow 4 points 5 months ago

.... to infinity ... and beyond

and you don't fly there either ... you're just falling with style

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moakley 4 points 5 months ago

Zeno

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ddplf 4 points 5 months ago

I don't think I get it, the conclusion doesn't make any sense to me at all

Because yes, there is an infinite amount of infinities when you think of decimals. We have two when it comes to integers - negative infinity and positive infinity, and there is an infinite amount of infinities between any two integers. 0 - 1, but also between decimals 0.1-0.2, etc

That doesn't mean you can't add or multiply any two numbers just because there is an infinity inbetween.

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moakley 5 points 5 months ago

Imagine a distance of any length. How long does it take to cross an infinite number of that length? It takes an infinite amount of time.

Divide the length between A and B an infinite number of times. We now have an infinite number of lengths, which means it will take an infinite amount of time to cross them.

Which means nothing ever actually moves and movement itself is an illusion.

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ddplf 4 points 5 months ago

I think the issue is purely semantical and if we had a way to discriminate between the ultimate infinity from the subinfinities, the whole paradox would become completely irrelevant

It's an interesting exploit of not having that distinction though

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SpongyAneurysm 4 points 5 months ago

But that distance is also infinitesimally small, or put mathematically. If "any length" is L, it is L/inf. Cross that distance an infinite number of times, you get L/inf. * inf. By basic rules of fractions, these infinities cancel out.

I'm no maths wiz, but I'd say poof goes the paradox.

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sbeak 4 points 5 months ago

Well, this Zeno guy was an ancient philosopher who existed long long ago.

A "series" is the summation of all the terms in a sequence. In the modern day, we now know that an infinite geometric series, where there is a common ratio r, can be finite if the absolute value of r is less than 1! There's a neat bit of maths behind that proof too.*

So in the case of Zeno's paradox, it's an infinite geometric series with r = 1/2. So if you had a distance of 1 metre, the next ones are 0.5m, 0.25m, etc. Each term is half of the previous. And since the absolute value of r is less than zero, the sum of the infinite series is finite, in this case it's simply 2.

Infinity is a little weird.

*See replies below if you want to see my attempt at conveying it within the confines of an internet comment

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sbeak 1 point 5 months ago

Trying to do a math proof in a comment is hard, but I'll try my best:

A term in a geometric series is defined as: u =ar^n-1

where a is the first term and r is the common ratio (the multiplier you use to get the next term)

so the sequence is a, ar, ar^2, ... , ar^(n-1) where n is the number of terms in the sequence.

The sum of all the terms in a sequence, the geometric series, can be found using this for (absolute) values of r that are below 1:

Sn = a(1 - r^n) / (1 - r)

for (absolute) values of r above 1, it looks like this:

Sn = a(r^n - 1) / (r - 1)

But both equations will work with any value of r, they are just rearranged to make the maths easier. Where n is the number of terms in the series. For example, the series 2, 4, 8, 16 has four terms, the common ratio of 2 and a first term of 2. This means:

Sn = 2(2^4 - 1) / (2 - 1)

= 2(16 - 1) / 1

= 2 * 15

= 30

And if you check 2 + 4 + 8 + 16, you will find that it correctly equals 30, meaning the maths is right! In this case, it would be easier to add them up individually, but using the formula is useful when you have a large series with many different terms or when you have limited information (i.e. you are not given every individual term)

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ininewcrow 1 point 5 months ago

That's the paradox and that's why I love this thought experiment.

There is infinity in everything and everywhere ... yet we are told that we can't cross infinity ... yet we do it all the time.

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MonkderVierte 3 points 5 months ago

This hinges on the assumption, that you have to partition your way infinitely, to reach point B.
Sounds like bull to me.

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DrSleepless 29 points 5 months ago

I’m not sweatie, you’re sweaty

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kmartburrito 11 points 5 months ago

I don't eat the sweats, I just lick them for the salt content

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LibertyLizard 7 points 5 months ago

Sweat is disgusting oxygenist propaganda. Why can't you just leak pure hydrogen from your pores like a normal molecule?

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nymnympseudonym 26 points 5 months ago

This entire pie chart makes up the less than 5% of the actual Universe made up of particles that our crude senses and instruments can detect.

We are a bit of cosmic pollution; the Universe would be essentially unchanged if all normal matter in it disappeared.

And some people think Sky Daddy made the whole thing Just For Them

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OwOarchist 13 points 5 months ago

While dark matter does appear to be a real physical thing we just can't detect very well (since we can roughly detect where it is and isn't, and it sometimes shows up where ordinary matter is absent, or is absent where ordinary matter is), I'm not totally convinced that dark energy is actually physical energy -- the same effects could potentially be explained by some as-yet undiscovered property of spacetime itself, without any unseen 'energy' causing it to do that.

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MNByChoice 7 points 5 months ago

While I agree, this line of argument could be taken to bolster Sky Daddy's love for us and only us.

The whole universe is so different from us, but our little bitty part is just right. Clearly, Sky Daddy made the particles our crude sense and instruments can detect just for us, but Sky Daddy truly is unknowable (and made of the other stuff).

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SpaceNoodle 6 points 5 months ago

What are the chances that we would evolve on a planet with the perfect atmosphere and biome for us to survive? Checkmate, atheists.

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Alcoholicorn 4 points 5 months ago

What is the chance anteaters would evolve on a planet with the perfect atmosphere and biome for them to survive? Do you think the perfect food just randomly evolved by happenstance? Obviously this universe was created for anteaters.

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SpaceNoodle 5 points 5 months ago

That just proves that God is an anteater

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merc 18 points 5 months ago

According to astronomers there are 3 'elements' in the universe: Hydrogen, Helium and Metal.

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bitjunkie 11 points 5 months ago

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MonkderVierte 4 points 5 months ago

In a Neutron star, even electrons are metal.

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MrNesser 3 points 5 months ago

in a neutron start hydrogen IS metal

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MonkderVierte 2 points 5 months ago

Ah, so that's why looking it up first got me "retarded matter".

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seggturkasz 11 points 5 months ago

I get what you are saying but this is actually how science works. If you want to higher level of abstraction you do generalize, if you want to go to detail you want as much categories as possible to differentiate noise from actuall difference.

If you want to calculate the mass of the milkyway it might be reasonable to focus only on these two element, however if you want to study the mass of the planets of our tiny solar system you can probably consider other elements too.

So there are good cases when to differentiate and when not to. Which is probably not the point you wanted to make.

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ftbd 21 points 5 months ago

A scientist knows that every model is flawed, but some are useful.

A bigot thinks their view of the world is the only valid one, even when presented with contrary evidence.

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FistingEnthusiast 2 points 5 months ago

An engineer knows that without applications, science is just magic, but we know that what isn't immediately applicable will someday be wonderful

A bigot is terrified that what they know to be true in this moment will be revealed to be the most basic understanding of a thing, and almost entirely incorrect (but good enough for children to start with)

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GreenKnight23 10 points 5 months ago

sweatie

I did not have sexual relations with that woman

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starik 5 points 5 months ago

Of course all life we know of is trans lesbian-based, but do you think it’s possible there are planets out there with enby demiromantic asexual-based life forms?

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favoredponcho 4 points 5 months ago
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SaharaMaleikuhm 4 points 5 months ago

Just like genders, I get it

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