Andor was an incredibly well-crafted story that just so happened to fit nicely within the Star Wars universe. Part of what made it so good was that it didn't rely on established Star Wars success patterns to be successful, it took the risk of doing its own thing. Some people criticize it for that because they think Star Wars is just another action flick like Need For Speed or John Wick.

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glimse 18 points 5 months ago

I watched Andor seasons 1 and 2 then watched Rogue One. If I saw Rogue One first, there's no way I would have watched Andor.

Rogue One had zero character development. The plot was way too rushed. It was an OK movie at best and nowhere near Andor

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ryathal 8 points 5 months ago

Rogue one is a terrible movie that ends with the best fan service battle of all time.

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glimse 7 points 5 months ago

I'm not a Star Wars guy but a friend talked me into Andor and I'm so glad he did. It has none of the elements that made me shy away from the franchise.

Rogue One, on the other hand, has almost all of those elements. Bad pacing, predictable "twists," characters I'm told to care about but never learn enough about.

I'm glad it did but I was shocked that people liked Cassian enough in Rogue One to make the show. He was so one dimensional!

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ryathal 2 points 5 months ago

I'll get hate for it, but I honestly think Andor is a 6 or 7 out of ten that feels a lot better due to the absolute garbage that has been Disney Star wars. Andor has pacing issues and tons of characters that don't ultimately matter, but the good bits are really good.

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glimse 1 point 5 months ago

To each their own but I appreciated the amount of characters because it drove home how many people are involved to make something happen. There were a few arcs i wish ended sooner and one predictable death I found very annoying, though.

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becausechemistry 15 points 5 months ago

I agree with the conclusion but I cannot understand why people continue to read the ____rant websites. Just the worst writing on the internet.

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EarMaster 12 points 5 months ago

My observation is: Star Wars is best without lightsabers.

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ryathal 14 points 5 months ago

Star wars is best with writers and directors that respect the source material and tell a story within it rather than paint their story to look like Star wars.

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Cethin 7 points 5 months ago

I think even more important is that they tell a story they want to tell, and are interested in. Anyone can make Star Wars slop. To make something like Andor requires passion.

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ryathal -1 points 5 months ago

Not every story belongs or fits in star wars though. Most of what Disney has done falls in this category, but TLJ and the acolyte are the worst offenders.

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Cethin 2 points 5 months ago

I disagree. TLJ was a garbage story, but nothing about it couldn't work in the Star Wars universe. It's like saying you can't tell a children's story in the LotR universe, but The Hobbit exists and is good (not the movies).

Star Wars is large, and there's space for any story you want to make. It just happens that Disney wants shit ones that are just about cashing in on the name. However, there's space for CRPGs, like Knights of the Old Republic. There's space for FPSs, like the Republic Commando. There's space for classic heros journeys, like the original trilogy. There's space for children's TV shows, like The Clone Wars. There's no good story that can't fit in the universe. It just needs to be good, and made by people who care.

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WandowsVista 5 points 4 months ago

what did I like about Andor?

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CaliforniaSober 5 points 5 months ago

Rogue one was great but Star Wars got messed up by Rian Johnson. Otherwise it makes great sense. The shortened fan edits even more so…

Rian needs to fuck off into the night à la Star Wars…

Knives out is cool.

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MJKee9 2 points 4 months ago

There's no sense in going back and forth about this. However, the reason why the later movies failed was because of JJ Abrams and his puzzle box bullshit. The last Jedi is the third best core storyline movie in the Star wars franchise, behind episode 4 and episode 3.

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CaliforniaSober 0 points 4 months ago

Yea there is some sense in going over this given that JJabrams trilogy plans with Lawrence Kasdan have been leaked and known.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NhjzADFObBQ

You can look into it just like the entirety of the internet. It’s okay we already know. Even if you are desperate to wave it off, via ignorance or obstinance.

His original trilogy plans weren’t prefect and kinda went off the rails at the end but the plan was cohesive and could’ve been saved.

But Rian Johnson specifically asked to throw out that whole treatment and do his own thing.

Hence you can see shit go off the rails for two movies and JJ desperately trying to shoe horn in his original plans to salvage the whole thing. You can literally see elements of his original plan in the last film but they make no sense because of the second film. It’s a shit show.

It’s a shit show and a total fuck up but yea there is no sense in going back and forth about this with you if you haven’t even considered half of it so stop bothering.

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MJKee9 1 point 4 months ago

Why would somebody as force sensitive as Luke not know his best friend in the entire universe was killed by his son? Leia knew. Are you saying Leia is more force-sensitive than luke?

Jj Abrams did not understand the fundamental canon of Star wars. The force awakens completely ignored the logic set up in the original trilogy. Rian Johnson had to come in and create a movie that honored the logic of the original trilogy while also connecting it to the logical mess that was Abram's ham-fisted attempt. The last Jedi was perhaps the best execution that could have happened trying to correct Abram's ham fisted efforts.

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hazelnot 1 point 4 months ago

Rian Johnson's movie was the only good one in that whole trilogy though

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CaliforniaSober 1 point 4 months ago

HARD disagree.

Johnson’s a great director but he threw out the Abram’s and Kasdans three film treatment and made shit up in the fly that didn’t fit with the first or third film in the trilogy.

The whole movie is the rebellion running around in a circle. Mark Hammil was on record for thinking his character was all wrong.

Lea force pulling out of no where.

It’s a huge fucking mess with what little redeeming qualities it had were meaningless in the larger trilogy story.

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hazelnot 2 points 4 months ago

The rest of the trilogy was just "let's rip off the original trilogy, surely nobody will notice, also Palpatine somehow returned", so making shit up on the fly was honestly the right decision there

Plus, Rey being basically a nobody was much better than the weird borderline fashy "she's from a Great Bloodline" shit

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lime 1 point 5 months ago

hot take, rogue one was when i knew the franchise would never come back. we went from inscrutable philosophy and heavy-handed metaphors in the prequel trilogy, into a universe built entirely on reference and spectacle. i really did not enjoy it and from what i can tell everything afterwards leans into that more.

and then, the sequel trilogy completely disconnected me from star wars. i don't know how it managed but it sucked all the fun out of it. i have so many books, so many old lego sets, so many games and toys, and i never want to touch any of it again.

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Zaktor 5 points 5 months ago

Are you sure you're talking about Rogue One and not The Force Awakens?

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lime 1 point 5 months ago

the prequel thing with the airshield from spaceballs, yes

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Nouvellalia 2 points 5 months ago

🗑️🚨📜
🥐👩‍⚕️🥐
1,2,3,4,5?!
Do you know how many Bothans died to bring us this!?
Fine, whatever, just get it into the targeting computers.

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lime 1 point 5 months ago

none, if that film is to be believed

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roofuskit 4 points 5 months ago

Are you seeing someone about this?

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lime 4 points 5 months ago

the depressive episode was definitely part of it but even with that handled i still don't like rogue one.

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roofuskit 9 points 5 months ago

Just checking, because you're in a Star Wars community. If you've really soured so much on Star Wars it might be time to unsubscribe, unless you're seeking negativity for negativities sake.

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lime 1 point 5 months ago

i only browse all.

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theunknownmuncher 3 points 5 months ago

Lmao imagine. "Psych, I don't like Star Wars anymore, can you help me?"

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roofuskit 1 point 5 months ago

More about the fact that they hate Star Wars and are here in a star wars community just to complain about it.

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lime 0 points 5 months ago

i don't. i loved it once, and i keep coming back to see if i can again.

i really thought the sequel trilogy could be saved. rian johnson really had something, he understood the source material like few others, but then disney just steamrolled everything. after that it has all felt the same.

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titanicx -1 points 5 months ago

Eh.

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confuser -5 points 5 months ago

I think andor was the least engaged I've ever felt by anything star wars. I understand the appeal I think but I'm just not very interested in the slow burn politics stuff. I don't need hours of content to explain to me that these guys do these things for these reasons and these others do these other things for these reasons.

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kalpol 3 points 5 months ago

Boy you're gonna HATE Dune

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Nouvellalia 1 point 5 months ago

Dune does not explain anyone's reasons for anything. It's just a bunch of archetypes archetyping. I'll save anyone who wants it, 6 hours:
"We do what we must, because we can"
"Aiiieeyyaaaa yaaaaaaa!"

Beautiful movie though. Absolutely stunning. What it lacks in character development, it makes up for completely and then more, in visual storytelling. I highly recommend the watch, but you'd probably take more from it just setting the audio to a language you don't speak and letting the settings and angles and lighting talk.

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kalpol 2 points 5 months ago

I was talking about the books, which are totally different than the movies, and increasingly bonkers but yeah

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Cethin 1 point 5 months ago

The books explain it more. I have to imagine Messiah will too. But yeah, the movies could be only about revenge for all they tell you I think.

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confuser -1 points 5 months ago

Lol being downvoted for having an experience.

How dare I have an experience different from everyone else, shame on me lol

the whole point of posts and comment threads is to collect differing experiences into a pile so most reactions are equally valid.

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Grimy -6 points 5 months ago

Rogue one was an embarrassment. Andor stands on its own as great tv, it's better than a lot more than just Rogue One.

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