What's your recommendation for listening to music privately?
My requirements are: open source desktop/web (Linux) and android app. I also want basically every song I would ever want.
I'm willing to pay just not on agregious amount of money.
If you are posting your recommendation please care to include the tradeoffs or any annoyances you got from it.
Thanks all!
Yes, you can run a tailscale container or installed directly on your host machine and then run a vpn container like gluetun and input your mullvad credentials into the docker yaml. Then any containers you choose to run will be behind gluetun aka mullvad and all connect to your tailscale ip.
I'm not really much understanding what's going on here. Your saying if I run this "gluetun" software and JUST have tailscale running on my device, all my traffic will still be routed thru mullvad. If so, will this greatly affect internet speeds? (Even the traffic not needed by tailscale is still routed thru)
Gluetun is a container to allow vpn connections. In docker any container you want to use the vpn connection you would put network_mode: service:gluetun and those containers would then use the vpn connection. With tailscale you would still access those containers through your tailscale ip address but they will be behind the gluetun vpn container. Tailscale doesnt act as a vpn as in masking your online activity it only secures your server from being accessed from outside of your tailnet. You can enable mullvad in tailscale but that provides mullvad exit nodes that any internet activity outside of your containers would be behind. Gluetun allows you to put your containers behind vpn as well. As far as speeds go, it might slow down abit but not much
No it has very little overhead. But you'll need to choose between tailscale of mullvad on your phone since you can't have two different VPN clients running at once on your phone.
Easier solution: some routers have built-in VPN access. Mine supports a Wireguard and OpenVPN tunnel directly into my network.
As for incorrectly tagged media files, Picard can fingerprint and auto-tag your files in batch.
I got other people on my network who prefer faster internet speeds over privacy, sadly. And I dont wanna be rude and just force them to do something they don't want to do. (Even if it's for the greater good)
Also attaching it to my router won't work when I'm out travelling or away from home.
Picard seems awesome btw.
I got other people on my network who prefer faster internet speeds over privacy, sadly. And I dont wanna be rude and just force them to do something they don’t want to do. (Even if it’s for the greater good)
This would not impact internet speed for anyone else on your network. Whether they're connected via Ethernet or WiFi, they'd have the same speeds as before.
As for a Wireguard connection tunnelling in from outside, it has so little overhead that it does not meaningfully impact speed or latency (I'd know, I use it every day).
Also, you can set up the tunnel as a split tunnel. This means that
Also attaching it to my router won’t work when I’m out travelling or away from home.
I'm not sure what you mean by "it" here. Feel free to fill in the blank.
Adding Tempo as a mobile app.
Download it via torrent, thats your best option. It takes time to build up a sizable catalog but it helps you can download entire acts discographies one fortuitous swoop here and there
Paying is basically antithetical to privacy, I only do it for the essentials or what i cant otherwise obtain freely
Yeah, like support underdogs but be realistic, you cant pay for everything and everyone unless you're unusally well-resourced so respect your own constraints where they exist.
And thats just music, are you planning on remaining internally consistent and limiting the breadth of access you could otherwise have across all the modalities like TV shows, movies, books, courses, audiobooks, etc??
Your consumption does not hurt them, the stuff you would pay for anyway just do that but i think i can live with myself for downloading Pink Flloyd's discog or the complete cartoon series from childhood lol
I found a comfortable way to listen to music without torrenting. It relies heavily on a private company though, Bandcamp.
I spend $20 a month in albums and other than that listen to their shows and recommendations. I can’t pay for everything so I set a cap per month. I decided not to be 100% in control of what I listen to by listening to their radio shows (usually featuring an interview with an artist).
I’m slowly growing my private music library. Wish I had a friend or two to help. I’m happy to be supporting artists.
For sure. Most of my money goes to local artists. If I want to support a music artist, I will usually see them in concert and/or purchase merch. But Ticketmaster is making that difficult these days. I had to have this discussion with my mom regarding amazon kindle.
"AI companies are stealing everything anyway. Get your media while you can, because they don't want it to exist anymore."
For me its a spectrum, making my own judgment for each piece of media.
Copyright laws in the US have changed a lot over the last century, largely due to regulatory capture. The older versions of copyright law are mostly around 14-28 years after creation and those seem fair to me. So I don't feel bad about anything >30 years old.
Another factor is the sliding spectrum between art as an altruistic creative experience versus art as a capitalist product created by gigantic corporations. Heavily monetized art tends to be stuff I enjoy less anyways so this kind of filters itself out. Its all formulaic and trend-chasing, largely the made by the same small group of people and rebranded with different faces. If I do ever want big-budget, mainstream content I don't feel bad about not paying for it.
Sometimes its about convenience. There are a handful of creators still on YouTube that I like, and one of these days I want to get around to setting up yt-dlp and adding their channels to my Jellyfin to get around all the terrible ads of the platform, but I'll probably buy some merch or throw them some money on Patreon or whatever to try to compensate for it. I also prefer to buy CD's and merch from bands at their live shows where a higher % of the proceeds goes to the artist.
Soulseek is my goto
Listenbrainz requires you to make what you listen to public as it is part of the open source project. If that is something you are worried about I think there are alternatives to explo that use last.fm but that is closed source as far as I know.
As others have said, buy stuff from small bands on band camp or at shows or something and pirate from whoever you see fit.
EDIT: I also should have noted, this is a self hosted setup that requires a server to be online unless you download your tracks to your client device. If you want a single device alternative, I am not personally sure what to recommend.
Don’t push yourself to switch from ios. It’s extremely unlikely you need to go to graphene to get the kind of privacy you need and familiarity with the system and how you can protect yourself in it is arguably more important.
Yeah I am not in a hurry to switch but I would like to at some point. But with android becoming more closed source every month it seems, I am more curious about switching to a linux mobile OS if that becomes viable in the future.
I have mostly been pushing myself to degoogle and self host to achieve my privacy concerns and in that regard I have been relatively successful. Switching to an open source OS is just the next major step that I am not sure I am ready for just yet. I do already run bazzite and arch on my desktop and laptop though so the phone is really the only thing I have left to switch.
Good luck. Before you make the leap to either a linux mobile os or graphene, make sure it can meet your physical security and emergency use requirements.
Absolutely Feishin for Navidrome behind tailscale. Its so good. Slskd for soulseek with Soularr to auto grab music is awesome also.
Alternative client: Tempus (formerly Tempo).
If you're even savvier: set up Wireguard for remote access instead of relying on Tailscale. (Possibly simplified by wg-easy or your router's built-in Wireguard support.)
I have a local music library.
I once uploaded my entire connection of music (ripped from my own CDs or grabbed over the decades) to Google Music, but we know where that went. So I used Amazon Music for a few years, until the service went to shit.
Unwanted tracks in my personal playlists; songs playing out of order; ads despite paying a subscription fee to listen to music I already own.
The frustration with the entire copyright and, "rights holders" scene led me to turn away from buying anything but physical media at local music ships.
I have never used the arr tools, but if I was starting from scratch, I probably would. For now, when I want a few new tracks, I use yt-dlp or fire up jackett and find it.
Eta: frustrations
Op answer the following:
How do you usually listen to music? Not “I put on my headphones, fire up Winamp and go” but “I use curated playlists from Spotify” or “i listen to whole albums on youtube”.
What does private mean to you? What do you consider not private?
Although I would appreciate recommendation feed that's private I know that's impossible.
I basically download songs anytime I get a recommendation or hear it somewhere. I usually listen for a while or add to a playlist. Very simple use case.
Private means I know and things I choose know what I listen to and others don't. I would also preferably like ownership of my music. I would consider not private something that uses my data for anything except necessities(no algo no selling)
I know this sounds stupid and pedantic, but what do you mean by ownership?
Where or how do you download?
E: recommendation isn’t off the table, you’ll just have to go about it in an unconventional way.
Set up whatever arr piracy stack is going now and some kind of overlay network (vpn but not in the vernacular of “anonymizing proxy”) to play your files.
Pick a player that you like and use it.
Use a combination of rss and scripts to get recommendations.
I know this sounds stupid and pedantic, but what do you mean by ownership?
Diff person here. Can't speak for who you asked. Not stupid OR pedantic tho! For me, it means two things.
One, that the music cannot be taken away from me against my will. So no DRM! No s/w that can reach into my device and remove things, how it was happening with DRM audiobooks. The music must be Plain Old Files. That I can copy and backup. No special s/w. Oldschool CDs were like that. DRM-ed music is not like that.
Two, also means I have fairly paid the artist. Especially for smaller bands, or single individual musicians. If I like their shit enough to seek it out, I feel they deserve to get paid.
It's both of those at once that's harder than it should be. Easy enuf to get one, or the other, alone.
It's not impossble tho. There are ways to have both, and I do it.
I've been enjoying using Finamp for my Jellyfin server, although you will need a proxy if you want to use it outside of your home network. I'm paying $7 a month (it used to be $5 😭) for a VPS that's running Pangolin tunneled to my home server running Jellyfin. It's basically my own private Spotify/Netflix/Audible. There are also free options like Nginx for the proxy.
Pros:
Cons:
If you wanna save a little cash there’s a website called lowendbox that aggregates cheap vps deals. I try to keep mine under 10/11 bucks a year.
Why is it better to have a VPS instead of running Caddy on something like a router using OpenWRT or maybe on a Raspberry Pi?
I'm not an expert on this subject or anything but from my understanding Caddy would still use your IP address. Using Pangolin with a VPS would give your website the VPS's ip which is better for security reasons.
Dont really need a proxy for remote access. Tailscale is better and very secure and easy to setup.
I thought Tailscale was made by Microslop.
No, Microsloppysoft didnt create it.
What is Pangolin? My searxng just shows results for the animal.
If yt-dlp/Newpipe still works over a VPN then Spotube with ListenBrainz plugin is an option, but it's extremely buggy and they're working on a rewrite afaik. Or use another YT Music client, or download your music and use an offline player. If you have the time and resources to self-host that's also an option of course.
Download the shit I want, stick it on a USB key and plug it into my car. The old magics.
If you're talking about ambient music then you have things like Navidrome or Jellyfin that can stream music throughout your house.
Ad hoc, on device streaming: I use PipePipe, choose a YT music playlist and just...play in radio mode. There are better options (like InnerTune) but those tend to crap out when YT futzes with their back end / aren't updated as frequently as PipePipe.
I also have an iRiver MP3 player (about size of a box of matches) that's awesome.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I’m willing to pay just not on agregious amount of money.
Me too. I wanna support the artists I like.
I've used Bandcamp before. I was able to sign up anonymously and use a masked credit card to pay for music. Sure I could pirate it. But I feel like that's a dick move, esp for smaller bands I like a lot.
Playing music privately, that's the trivial part! A million ways to do that, without sending any info to anyone, either at home or on the go.
The real problem is getting the music
Is have a Spotify playlist of some 7000+ songs I want to have but finding each one individually is a nightmare. Are there ways to just put the list into some arr system and have it automatically torrented or pulled from Usenet or something like that?
Lidarr with Soularr for Slskd(Soulseek)
Lidarr has a Spotify playlist syncing feature built in. You can set it to sync certain playlists and it will automatically add those artists to Lidarr. I think you can also configure it to monitor/download only the albums which the songs in your playlist come from, or download the whole artists discography.
I can’t attest to the quality of Usenet or private trackers for music as I don’t use either (mostly public trackers for movies and tv) but public trackers weren’t the easiest to get all the music I needed. I ended up using Slskd, a frontend for SoulSeek, with the Tubifarry plugin to connect to Lidarr and it is much easier to find releases now.
The next issue I have yet to tackle is porting those playlists to a player for Navidrome. If anyone finds a simple way to do so please let me know!
I am planning to get a dedicated audio player at some point this year. An modded iPod classic 5th or 6th gen with Rockbox. It's offline, and you get so much more flexibility once you mod it, you can't really go wrong. It's a bit of an upfront cost though but a worthy investment.
The android app I use for music is Musicolet. It's offline and has a lot of really nice customization options. Also free.
Hugston Media Pro, comes with thousands tv and radio channels worldwide (with bookmarks), updated newsfeed (minute/hour/day), local music player for your downloaded songs/videos.
If enough users are interested I can make it opensource :)
Yeah I have been thinking that, just didnt have much time. Users will decide, if at least 100 users want it they will have it opensource, as .msi or exe and code available to everyone. Until then maybe try Clementine app or Unlinked for android with mod apks. Let me kow if you need updated libs.
navidrome + dsub2000 for android
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Self-host Navidrome. Choose any of the clients that you like. Pirate stuff from big bands, buy stuff from smaller bands.
Cons: You'd have to deal with storage and hosting and access from outside your house e.g. with Tailscale. You'd also have to tag incorrectly tagged songs (surprisingly common issue, sometimes pirates tag stuff better than the bands themselves)
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