This is very much a sideways move. There isn't any one in the labour party that would be markedly better for my money ATM.
That is by design.
Never forget that as soon as Starmer got it in following the "anti-semite" smear campaign against the previous Labour Party leader, Corbyn, he immediately started purging leftwingers from the Party.
The "Labour" Party today has nothing at all to do with the working class specifically or the leftwing in general (and Starmer seems to be working hard at paying back Israel for giving him the Labour Party leadership with that smear campaign)
Labour is now at best a party of people with no principles and no ideology who got into politics for personal upside maximization only.
For anyone who wishes to know more about what Aceticon is talking about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Labour
Technically, neither, but don’t get used to it. You’ve got really fucked up and shitty election about to happen. And it doesn’t look like it’s gonna end well.
last week tonight segment on the subject
Edit: excuse me, but it appears that my information is a bit out of date
Andy Burnham, who won a compelling majority in the Makerfield byelection overnight, is expected to travel to London on Monday to meet MPs in the expectation of becoming prime minister within weeks. One cabinet minister – who has not previously told the prime minister to go – said his departure was now inevitable.
Unless Andy does a 180, he's a competent socialist leader.
I think the bigger question is whether or not the system will allow him to deviate from their current course of self destruction.
He's already committed not only to not sacking the loathsome Shabana Mahmood, but promoting her. He's not going to change Labour's Reform-Lite anti-immigrant policies, he's unlikely to change the UK's support of the Gaza genocide, he's not going to stop the persecution of trans people, and he's going to continue Rachel Reeves's servility to the City of London on economic policy. But he might put water and the railways under state ownership, though where the money will come from is a mystery while Labour is still bound by the fiscal strait jacket.
Starmer was a human rights lawyer and he's spent his term systematically dismantling peoples rights, a 180 is apparently the standard.
is affirming trans rights impossible?
is saying Israel is committing a genocide impossible?
is not massively invade people privacy impossible?
is not selling out NHS data to Palantir impossible?
Will Burnham do these things?
That's the question!
Is jumping up and down while waving your arms impossible?
AFAIK Starmer has done nothing to reduce Trans rights.
You are making a giant straw man argument, would it make a difference for Starmer to merely say Israel is committing genocide?
Invading peoples privacy was implemented by the Conservatives.
While you IMO have a point about Palantir, the goal is to improve management and analysis of health data. It is not about "selling" data.
You are basically just proving my point, as you fail to point to anything Starmer actually did wrong.
Starmer is mostly unpopular because everything has gotten worse after Brexit, and Starmer is unable to turn it around quickly.
AFAIK Starmer has done nothing to reduce Trans rights.
From Wikipedia:
"In July 2024, UK Prime Minister and Labour Party leader Keir Starmer stated that trans women should not have the right to use women-only spaces, even with a gender recognition certificate.[14][15][16] He also ruled out allowing trans people to self-ID.[17] Starmer also said he would continue the block on the Gender Recognition Reform Bill in Scotland.[18] In December 2024, Starmer followed through on this by making the ban on puberty blockers to treat gender dysphoria in under-18s permanent on the basis of "independent expert advice that there is currently an unacceptable safety risk in the continued prescription of puberty blockers to children."[19] Despite the assertion that puberty blockers are unsafe when prescribed to children, they remain available for the treatment of precocious puberty.[20]"
You are making a giant straw man argument, would it make a difference for Starmer to merely say Israel is committing genocide?
Yes, it would. Gaza is on the ballot.
Invading peoples privacy was implemented by the Conservatives.
The Labour party voted for the act, and have overseen its implementation.
While you IMO have a point about Palantir, the goal is to improve management and analysis of health data. It is not about "selling" data.
The NHS's goal is to improve management and analysis. Palantir's goal is to accrue and sell data. The problem is that the contract was awarded to Palantir - by the Labour gov.
You are basically just proving my point, as you fail to point to anything Starmer actually did wrong.
Reality begs to differ, see above.
Starmer is mostly unpopular because everything has gotten worse after Brexit, and Starmer is unable to turn it around quickly.
Starmer is unpopular because he's an appalling politician. And -to be as kind and equable as can be- a dishonest shit rag. Blaming Brexit for Starmer's failures is like Trump blaming the Democrats for the reflecting pool.
AFAIK Starmer has done nothing to reduce Trans rights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e2rj3zj02o
Would it make a difference for Starmer to merely say Israel is committing genocide?
Yes it would be a start
Invading peoples privacy was implemented by the Conservatives
They might have started it by passing the OSA but it was Labour who first started enforcing it, tried to backdoor iCloud, have decided we need to dox ourselves to use social media, have stated that Google and Apple have 3 months to install government spyware on everyone's phone, and are probably going to ban VPNs soon. Yes I'm aware the Conservatives probably support all those policies as well but that doesn't excuse Labour of any blame.
Starmer is mostly unpopular because everything has gotten worse after Brexit, and Starmer is unable to turn it around quickly
I don't expect a quick turnaround, I'd settle for just a bit of deceleration at the moment
lol you are delusional. sure if you just cover your ears and explain away all things Starmer did wrong, however unjustified, then of course you would think he did nothing wrong.
you have an agenda to begin with, then are trying your hardest to explain away everything that doesn't agree with your agenda. you are not open to have your mind changed.
Prime ministers have a short shelf live in the UK.
Truly, it’s getting hard to keep up! Have any of them shown promise? From across the pond it seems like a clown parade
Yeah some of them have shown promise. Burnham does. Even Starmer showed promise.
It's the problem that they seem to turn into zombies as soon as they get into power that's the problem. Let's see what happens with this next one.
Honestly that i think is the strong point of Westminster system, they have the power to force PM to resign and they exercised it. Once they have a vote of no confidence the PM must resign, and if the vote is called by the governing party, it's almost always lead to that, barring a faction of the rulling party colluding with the opposition to make sure the PM stay.
American are stuck with Orange.
Votes of no confidence are in a government, not a leader, and are done by Parliament, not the individual parties. That's not how Starmer will be replaced. It'll be an internal Labour Party leadership challenge process.
Assumed office 5 July 2024
Not quite 2 years. The UK carousel is a sight to behold.
From Wikipedia
In May 2026, Starmer faced a political crisis following reports of internal divisions within the Labour government and speculation over his future leadership. The crisis intensified after the resignation of several senior ministers and growing criticism from factions within the Labour Party concerning economic policy, immigration, and electoral strategy. Media outlets reported discussions among Labour MPs regarding potential leadership alternatives, including senior cabinet figures and regional mayors.[156] During a cabinet meeting, Starmer rejected calls to resign and challenged critics within the party to formally contest the leadership if they wished to replace him. Under Labour Party rules, a leadership challenge would require the support of 20 percent of Labour MPs.[157][158][159]
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