I'm not saying one strategy was better but it certainly seems like one strategy was better

a day ago by James R Kirk to c/risa

Zorque 64 points a day ago

I mean, the borg kind of started the whole series when they killed Sisko's wife.

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Kirk 24 points a day ago

gosh ok i guess the meme doesnt count then

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kieron115 20 points a day ago

It's okay, you'll get it next time champ!

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Zorque 6 points a day ago

I would argue that no meme counts. That's what makes them memes.

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HobbitFoot 22 points a day ago

How do you think Sisko learned to not mess with the Borg?

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Jesus_666 16 points a day ago

He wanted to mess with the Borg. He designed a ship to mess with the Borg. They didn't show up in his part of the woods so he demonstrated what happens when someone has a ship designed to mess with the Borg.

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Rhaedas 13 points a day ago

I remember seeing that air. What a opening. Seeing how bad Wolf 359 really was from the inside. Also, I think first time we see starships turn on a dime.

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Dead_or_Alive 5 points a day ago

Yeah that was neat, the Miranda definitely got some upgrades in the 24th century over the maneuvers they it pulled in WoK.

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grue 5 points a day ago

To be fair, in WoK they mainly just bumbled around blind in a nebula. It wasn't exactly a dogfight!

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Dead_or_Alive 4 points a day ago

To be fair the writers of WoK intended it to feel like Das Boot than a dog fight.

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kieron115 9 points a day ago

They were also a little busy dealing with a time-traveling, genocidal coffee addict.

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Tollana1234567 1 point a day ago
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humanamerican 16 points a day ago

DS9 was amazing. Certainly better than Enterprise (which is disappointing because the latter had such a good premise)

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Tollana1234567 3 points a day ago

it shouldve went with romulan war buildup, instead of the xindi arc. they are always teasing ROMULAN in the series. s5-7 were suppose to have shran join the crew, but the NETWORK CANCELLED THE SHOW.

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echodot 5 points 18 hours ago

Honestly they could just bring Enterprise back it would be an improvement over constantly producing subpar Star Trek shows that no one really wants.

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halloween_spookster 1 point 10 hours ago

I think Enterprise immediately being like "TIME TRAVEL COLD WAR" was one of the biggest narrative problems with Enterprise. It didn't let Enterprise stand on it's own, but was constantly shadowed by future events. IMO they should have spent more time writing ahead of the show to figure out what the overarching storylines should be rather than just figuring it out as they went.

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humanamerican 1 point 19 hours ago

Still not as heartbreaking as the Firefly cancellation. I don't know if I'll ever get over that one.

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Enkrod 14 points 21 hours ago

I was done with the Borg when they introduced a Queen.

Just like Zerg and Tyranids. I understand that narratively you need characters for stories, but coupling those completely alien swarm intelligences to discreet "Queens" commanding the swarm takes away this very alienness and transforms them from a terrifying force of nature you can never truly understand into yet another rulers personal army.

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amorpheus 8 points 18 hours ago

I try to take those characters as manifestations of the collective rather than a true individual.

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Kirk 4 points 13 hours ago

im going to buy you a "done with the borg since '96" tshirt

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Enkrod 2 points 10 hours ago

Dark gods!... 96... 96... I've seen first contact on the big screen when it came out... I'm old as fuck.

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Kirk 3 points 10 hours ago

I know I actually had to look it up twice to make sure I was correct and also not having another dimentia episode

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waterore 10 points a day ago

Which episode did Archer and crew encounter the Borg?

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ummthatguy 16 points a day ago

s2e23 "Regeneration"

They encounter a few drones left in a crash site from First Contact.

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marlowe221 6 points a day ago

Wait… really? How have I totally forgotten about this???

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ummthatguy 11 points a day ago

It's not bad actually. Puts some of the fear back into the Borg as boogeymen.

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Asetru 1 point a day ago
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Tollana1234567 5 points a day ago

it also sorta"retcons" ties into how the borg found earth in the first place in the future(explained at the end of the episode. ::: spoiler spoiler ___the borg sent a signal in 2256 towards delta quadrant after PHLOX was partially assimilated he heard the signal in his mind, and the computer analyzed the coordinates deep in the delta quadrant. T'pol said it would take 200 years to reach borg space if at all, and archer said they only delayed the war until 24th century(right around the time tng discovered attacks on the neutral zone in the first season , since the borg came to investigate around that time ) :::

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marlowe221 1 point 5 hours ago

Well, that’s cool!

I guess my memories of ENT are fuzzy because I only watched it once.

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Omnomnomn_Oom 4 points a day ago

S2 E23

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Tollana1234567 2 points a day ago

when the artic expidition found the wreckage from first contact sphere.

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supersquirrel 8 points a day ago

That is because the borg were afraid of Sisko's baseball.

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Kirk 2 points 13 hours ago

It wasn't so much the baseball itself but what it represents (a bazooka that shoots baseballs)

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supersquirrel 2 points 12 hours ago

Nah, Baseball is the true sport of the prophets that Sisko brought to Earth by timetravelling in order to save humanity from a rogue Klingon faction that encountered earth before the Vulcans made contact. Inside the baseballs were genetic modifiers that would turn the Klingons into looking like humans and it embarassed them so bad they fled.

A timeloop is formed, which is why Sisko keeps the baseball in his office to remind him of it.

The Borg fear Baseball because they recognize it represents power over reality itself.

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BradleyUffner 5 points 12 hours ago

Didn't we see Sisko's encounter with the Borg in the very first episode? Sure, they never visited the station, but lots of other aliens never visited the station that we still consider to have been part of DS9, like The Founders

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SiliconAvatar 4 points a day ago

"Let's assimilate some Ferengi ourselves instead"

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Zorque 5 points a day ago

Insidious...

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Okokimup 2 points a day ago

One of these things is not like the others.

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myrrh 1 point a day ago

...the defiant was stupid and undermined the entire narrative premise of deep space nine...

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Tollana1234567 1 point a day ago

ds9 like other trek series needed thier "own ship of the series" im guessing thats why they had defiant instead of the station. also they stopped exploring when the dominion invaded, never went back to exploring space after that.

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myrrh 0 points a day ago

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Tollana1234567 2 points a day ago

DS9 was too far away from where borg would attack, and first contact was happening around the same time of ds9, when they had to move defiant off-screen to fight the borg.

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