Germany would rather accept weaker cloud services than depend on US providers

4 months ago by Sunshine to c/buyeuropean

Germany firms prefer domestic cloud services over US providers even if performance or cost is worse
SW42 38 points 4 months ago

Iโ€™m also doing my best to actively steer the company I work for as far away from US Tech as possible. Out of principle at first, but it turns out itโ€™s cheaper in the long run.

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brownsugga 18 points 4 months ago

Fragmenting the world order and substantially weakening both the US economy and international relations is actually the entire point of the Trump presidency. If you want the plan outside of project 2025; just play his campaign promises and hear the opposite.

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Nonconfrontational -3 points 4 months ago

If this were true he would be the single greatest figure of the last 2 centuries.

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brownsugga 1 point 4 months ago

Not that I think Trump himself actually has anything to do with it; the man shits himself

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CapuccinoCoretto 16 points 4 months ago

And by Germany, we mean the world.

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john_t 6 points 4 months ago

Someday Bruder , someday... /s

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BananaTrifleViolin 15 points 4 months ago

They are only "weaker" because they are smaller. European cloud services can be just as capable as US ones, it just needs investment to build up the infrastructure.

Too many companies and public institutions in Europe have allowed the US monopolies to get away with their practices here. For example: letting Microsoft bundle so many products into Windows and Office 365 at a loss to build vendor lock in and stifle competition. Letting google push Chrome aggressively to users of other browsers who just want to use their search. Letting Facebook buy Instagram and not regulating the social media monopolies.

These are all choices that reflect the poor state of Europe. We've allowed US companies to come in and exploit Europe. That also continues in the EU with companies avoiding tax by basing themselves in Ireland and charging their operations in other countries franchise costs.

Europe tolerated all this because there was an idea that it was balanced out in other ways with the US, and this was what free trade is. Trump has made clear assumptions over all Europes relationship with the US is not equal, and we really need our anti-trust bodies to get back to doing what they used to do to protect European citizens.

Remember when the EU forced Microsoft to give users a choice of web browsers? More recently The EU has done some work on forcing Apple to open it's appstore / payment system to competition but it's done next to nothing about Microsoft Office 365, Microsoft Windows, Google Search, Google Chrome, or Meta & Twitter/X. I hope European politicians follow their words with actions.

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HubertManne 1 point 4 months ago

Yeah it makes no sense to me. If you are at a scal where you have multiple locations and disaster recovery its pretty much all that is needed.

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realitaetsverlust 12 points 4 months ago

Meanwhile, the bavarian state government has made another 5 billion โ‚ฌ deal with microsoft for the next 5 years.

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Successful_Try543 39 points 4 months ago path: 0 24373164 24374737, hotness: undefined, score: 39, children: 1
realitaetsverlust 21 points 4 months ago

Well color me surprised

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brainwashed 9 points 4 months ago

I believe that they say that, I do not see them act accordingly.

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Arras 5 points 4 months ago

That's... how you build stronger cloud services?
Using EU cloud providers gives them the financial muscles to build stronger services. I'm moving everything I can to EU services, even if that means that I have to pay a little extra for it, or get slight worse services because I want them to be able improve. I will however shop between EU providers so that I get the best value for money. I'm not an idiot.

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notsosure 4 points 4 months ago

What is a fully US independent search engine?

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Asetru 6 points 4 months ago

Qwant

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Successful_Try543 4 points 4 months ago

Not entirely, as currently, beside results from their own index, they also add search results from Bing.

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klangcola 5 points 4 months ago

Qwant and Ecosiaia are currently building a joint independent index

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Successful_Try543 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, I know, that's why I wrote "also". I've edited my comment to make the point more clear.

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sbeak 6 points 4 months ago

Others have stated Ecosia/Qwant building a European search index, but you also have Mwmbl with their own index that I believe is not American.

Additionally, you could also look at the various SearXNG instances hosted in Europe (or self-host your own!). They are meta search engines, meaning you can configure what sources and indexes they use for results and the ones you select are used together.

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Formfiller 4 points 4 months ago

Itโ€™s pretty clearly a national security issue. All American companies are compromised to Israel and anti democratic oligarchs

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BCsven 3 points 4 months ago

So say well all

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DmMacniel 2 points 4 months ago

So say we all

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john_t 2 points 4 months ago

image

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kevinsky 3 points 4 months ago

Everything is new at some point. They aren't weaker for long if you keep pouring enough money into it.

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