Study says AI in schools may be doing more harm than good

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WatDabney 82 points a day ago

It's as if some notable proportion of humanity suddenly switched to eating nothing but vaguely food-shaped plastic, then a study concluded that that might have negative effects nutritionally.

No shit?

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gilokee 53 points a day ago

no shit!

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Cris_Citrus 18 points a day ago

Zero poop.

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Nurse_Robot 13 points a day ago

Absence of bowel movement

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Cris_Citrus 10 points 21 hours ago

Dearth of excrement

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biggerbogboy 4 points 13 hours ago

Crapless

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Steve 2 points a day ago

Very little duh.

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HotsauceHurricane 46 points 21 hours ago

You mean the computer program that removes the critical thinking aspect of school instruction is having detrimental effects on americas children and their excecutive functions? Say it ain't so.

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D_C 9 points 19 hours ago

Now now, there is no real proof that getting something or someone else to do things for you would stop you from learning how to do it!!

Look at me, I got someone to pass my driving test and I've only had 22 accidents this year. Way down on last year!!

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JeeBaiChow 33 points a day ago

If your kid becomes dependent on you to continue wiping his ass well into his 30s, thats a failure of the parent. We are raising a generation of students who are dependent on machine statistics, not reason, to decide whats correct and right. God help us all.

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adespoton 8 points a day ago

You’re on to something here. I raised my kids to use technology as a tool, not as a babysitter. They didn’t have smartphones with SIMs until after they’d learned to drive. But they knew how to count in binary on their fingers by the time they were three. They’re really good at recognizing when something was LLM-generated, and only use LLMs when it’s required.

I think there’s quite a few kids like them out there, but they aren’t the ones you hear about.

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chunes 2 points 18 hours ago

God I can only imagine how bored they were being taught to count in Kindergarten.

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adespoton 5 points 12 hours ago

They had fun with that; kept inventing new ways to count, and then taught their classmates with various levels of success.

Thankfully, their teachers got on board and didn’t see it as being disruptive.

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Jimbo 3 points a day ago

We get closer to idiocracy every day

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DarrinBrunner 29 points 14 hours ago

It's important to have these studies, even though the result is predictable. People who want to move toward restricting AI in schools need something more than anecdotes to point to as justification.

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Anonymous_Leaker 14 points a day ago

Back in my day, we had to do homework ourselves...

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adespoton 4 points a day ago

Back in my day, a few of us did homework, and others got other people to do it for them, or made up excuses as to why they couldn’t turn it in.

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TheReturnOfPEB 1 point a day ago

"Do you know how to use microfiche ?" is my generational secret handshake

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skisnow 14 points 12 hours ago

I've been interviewing software engineers for many years, and this was the first year the "AI natives" started graduating and applying for jobs.

Never had such a high rate of people completely unable to write one line of code in a language that appears on their CV, it's been about 50% in the last few months where I had to end the interview during the warmup question.

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reluctant_squidd 12 points a day ago

Replace “school” with any place that ai is used and this headline holds true.

Edit: spelling

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Filetternavn 9 points a day ago

I mean, the problem is LLMs. If I were to replace "school" with "biomedicine" or "protein folding," then that would be clearly wrong. However, the AI used in those fields are machine learning models, not LLMs

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ViatorOmnium 0 points a day ago

Even LLMs have use cases were they are a good tool - fixing grammar, low risk translations, etc. Unconstrained chatbots with models that are way past the point of diminishing returns is just not one of them.

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Filetternavn 2 points 21 hours ago

Yes, absolutely correct. I suppose I should say that dependence on LLMs is the problem, more than anything.

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CoolSouthpaw 10 points 18 hours ago

No shit, Sherlock.

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Obi 4 points 16 hours ago

Didn't even have to type it out you took care of it already.

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jjlinux 10 points 12 hours ago

Well, no shit.

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bluesheep 9 points 15 hours ago

Fork found in kitchen

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pinball_wizard 2 points 3 hours ago

Yes! lol.

And wait until the confirmation study of the water in the kitchen sink comes back! Initial findings strongly imply it may be wet!

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SaharaMaleikuhm 9 points 14 hours ago

Grok is that true?

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Prior_Industry 7 points 9 hours ago

Just wait until you find out how many teachers are relying on it

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monkeyslikebananas2 3 points 8 hours ago

The real problem is that teachers aren’t being paid enough to give a fuck.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points 7 hours ago

doesn't stop them from giving a fuck though.

my wife was at a school where no one in her grade used the llms. like, they already had established curriculum. they didn't need to. she moved last year. now her principal uses claude to read and respond to all her emails. who knows what else. it's obvious and infuriating. the whole damn school is struggling because of it. i want to tell the principal "you know, the district hired you, not the openAI. keep using the AIs and the district will wonder why they hired you" but it would cost my wife her job come pink slip time.

so it really depends on the district and the school.

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monkeyslikebananas2 2 points 5 hours ago

I wish there were more teachers like your wife. I also wish I could afford to become a teacher myself, but could never afford the pay cut.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 4 hours ago

it was a pay raise for us. my wife was a school district interpreter. they make about half what teachers do

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IronKrill 7 points 21 hours ago

Study says sky is blue. Study says eating food is necessary for survival. Study says your mom is smokin'. More on this and other shit we already knew at 11.

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biggerbogboy 6 points 13 hours ago

When I was in year 12 of high school last year, some students attempted to use ChatGPT to write their practice exams for them. Mind you, these practice exams are the same as proper state mandated exams, where there are to be zero electronics used whatsoever unless it’s a disability aid, but the practice ones are also just that, to practice your skills, not to write it off as some worthless obligation.

There were actually heaps more of these students who entirely used LLMs for their assignments, would be made to rewrite them because it’s AI written, then proceed to have ChatGPT write it again and pass it through a ‘humaniser’ which just made it unreadable. It’s alarming that these people are willing to stop using their mind at all just because some service from half way across the world wrote an essay better than they could before.

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iceberg314 3 points 10 hours ago

Off topic, but it's kinda cool to know younger folks are on the Feddiverse! Thought lemmy was just a bunch of old people like me haha

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DeuxChevaux 6 points a day ago

I use AI to my advantage, as long as it's still at the "free until you're addicted" stage. I found that it's particularly good as a language teacher - learning new languages is one of my hobbies.

However, i am over 70 and will not fall into the "let AI tell me what to think and then think it" trap; i can see through it. This ability should be taught first at school, before the kids can use the useful side of the tool. But most teachers themselves are used to make the kids think what they want them to think, so I doubt that it will work.

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Tollana1234567 1 point a day ago
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Nurse_Robot 2 points a day ago
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vrighter 4 points 17 hours ago

"may?"

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technocrit 1 point 12 hours ago

Vague meaningless hypothesis -> Vague meaningless result

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beep 4 points 16 hours ago path: 0 24378610, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
bold_atlas -5 points 16 hours ago

2 things:

  1. Eat shit.
  2. And die.
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VoodooMischief 4 points 13 hours ago

The way I see it, AI is just another log on the fire, although it is indeed a big log. The use of laptops and the prevalence of smartphones all damaged kids’ attention spans, then came the advent of short form content which further degraded their ability to stay focused and now we have AI slop summarizing what we see with our own eyes and taking agency away from their very brains. Somewhere along the line we convinced ourselves that more tech is good for education, and I think that needs to be rethought. We need to get kids back to reading and writing the old school way. There’s neuropsychological benefits to it that you just don’t get from typing or scrolling on computers. And this problem exists even outside of the classroom or kids. It’s a problem with all generations. I’m noticing just as much mental decline in older populations as younger ones.

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cheat700000007 4 points 12 hours ago

My grade 4 teacher let us cheat on multiplication tables which still has me screwed up for doing multiplication and division in my head

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Hupf 4 points 16 hours ago

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marxismtomorrow 4 points 8 hours ago

Headline within the decade:

Study says AI in schools may be doing more harm than good

Because why would removing all creative and high paying proletariat jobs leaving only the worst and lowest paying ones, offloading all critical thought to shitty machines based in drought stricken areas that are destroying water availability, and eliminating online discourse, ever possibly backfire for the proletariat.

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ClownStatue 3 points 14 hours ago

AI is not a substitute for experience. Too many people assume that it can be.

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Hakuso 3 points a day ago

File under "Duh"

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luthis 3 points a day ago

Cross post to not the onion

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chronicledmonocle 3 points 15 hours ago

In other news, death is inevitable and the sky is blue.

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Auth 2 points a day ago

Congrats on whoever got paid to report this.

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GreenKnight23 2 points a day ago

my hope is that this forceful push of using AI in schools will have the opposite effect.

get tech out of the classrooms that don't need it.

get back to basics that just work. paper, pencil, physical books.

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systemglitch 2 points 14 hours ago

"May"

We already have studies outside of AI on how bad not doing the critical thinking for oneself is. It is literally impossible for this to not be detrimental.

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0x0 4 points 12 hours ago

We already have studies outside of AI on how bad not doing the critical thinking for oneself is.

Yup, we built an entire country for that study, it's turning 250 and does not compute all too well.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 7 hours ago

don't let Ken hear you say that

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ChromaticMan 2 points 14 hours ago

Shocked pikachu meme...

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technocrit 0 points 12 hours ago

More bullshit grifting from state propagandists.

This kind of phony science is not helping.

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Eyekaytee -1 points a day ago

pretty sure computers in general are doing more harm than good and have been for a while

ipad generation etc

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Tollana1234567 -2 points a day ago

AI is also doing harm to online job searches to, combined with the fact that can read or write.

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naught101 9 points a day ago

With writing like that, I don't think you need to blame AI.

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naught101 0 points a day ago

With writing like that, I don't think you need to blame AI.

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makeshift0546 -2 points 19 hours ago

No shit? Kids shouldn't even have a computer.

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abfarid 4 points 19 hours ago

Why not? As a kid I already knew the ins and outs of the OS better than my parents and could fix practically any tech issue.

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Peppycito 2 points 19 hours ago

Did you learn all that on a school computer?

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abfarid 1 point 19 hours ago

Mostly home computer. But I don't see how that's relevant.

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makeshift0546 -1 points 19 hours ago

Because it's bad for learning.

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abfarid 5 points 19 hours ago

How?

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ISOmorph -2 points a day ago

Seeing as a recent study uncovered even small amounts of screen time during the curriculum results in worsened reading comprehension amongst other things, I don't see how this study has any worth.

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