Rejoined the red team

4 months ago by Botzo to c/linux_gaming

I finally gave up my Nvidia 2070 Super and rejoined Team red with a 9070 XT. And it's like this is the way everything was always meant to be.

HDR works without breaking font rendering. Sleep states just work. No more random border flickering in fullscreen or borderless windows. And the fans never even spin up.

I did have to unwind a couple Nvidia workarounds to swap over successfully (like /etc/environment needed cleaning up for sddm-greeter-qt to not core dump).

No ragrets.

No regerts.

Team red 4lyfe (again).

cronenthal 21 points 4 months ago

I never liked Nvidia. Their software felt overbearing and intrusive even in the early days. And their hardware lacked elegance, they just always threw more power at their chips. I'm not suprised by anything they've done, from the complete pivot to AI chips to the complete lack of reasonable Linux support to this very day. It's not that AMD are angels, but Nvidia was always very clearly an asshole company, laser focused on short term profits over anything else.

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Reygle 20 points 4 months ago

Nobody's going to post it? Really? It was my understanding doing so in a conversation like this one was mandatory.

Sorry. I'm a child. I'll see myself out.

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clay_pidgin 19 points 4 months ago

I assume it cost you an arm and a leg?

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Botzo 20 points 4 months ago

Yes and no. Objectively $650 plus tax is a lot of money. I intended to go with the non XT for $80 less. And I probably would have been pleased with a 9060 or 9070 GRE.

But I paid $540 plus tax for the 2700 super just before the pandemic. So with inflation, this felt like the same kind of hit. And I wasn't planning to replace the rest of the underpinnings either. 3900x, 64gb ddr4 3600, x570 motherboard).

I really just wanted shit to work (again). The frame rates are a bonus. It feels like coming home. And this coming from someone who remembers gaming on Linux before proton.

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victorz 8 points 4 months ago

I paid like $800+ for the 2080 Super just after the pandemic started.

Now also on the 9070 XT and 9950X3D and 64 GB of DDR5. Dream combos. Plays anything. On Linux.

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Sanctus 3 points 4 months ago

Same setup, its beautiful, but AI took 32 GBs of the RAM I planned on buying so I am at 32 instead of 64

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victorz 2 points 4 months ago

🖕 AI.

I was lucky enough to click home my setup just before the AI plague.

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OhVenus_Baby 2 points 4 months ago

I've got an 2080super I been damn near trying to give away.

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victorz 1 point 4 months ago

You're kidding. Recently as well? I'd think it would be very more in demand now what with the component shortage.

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Hamartiogonic 10 points 4 months ago

But sticking with nvidia will cost you your sanity. Besides, switching doesn’t have to be super expensive if you get a used card.

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clay_pidgin 2 points 4 months ago

Fair enough. I wonder how many of my problems are caused by Nvidia. I also have suspend problems, occasional crashes that dmesg isn't helping me identify, and many games don't play.

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Hamartiogonic 2 points 4 months ago

Hard to tell. However, I can tell you that I don’t miss my 4060 at all. My current AMD card works flawlessly in Bazzite. Didn’t need to figure out any workarounds, trickery or hackery.

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ChrisG 14 points 4 months ago

As A long time Linux user I couldn't agree more. My son, who likes to game with me, was handing down his 'old' nvidia cards such as a 3070, so I put up with years of nvidia's crap. A couple of months ago I ripped out his 'old' 3070 and put in a new XFX brand AMD RX 7600. Works out of the box and plenty fast for HD resolutions. Why did I waste years of my life fighting with nvidia nonsense on Linux??

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cyberpunk007 2 points 4 months ago

Similar boat, for me its cause of video editing and cuda, but how I hardly do that, and my reason before was because nvidia actually made Linux drivers while ATI (yeah, the last time I used a non-nvidia card in Linux) was a pain in my ass.

Things have changed just a little since they were ATI 🤣

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ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace 10 points 4 months ago

I have an NVidia 3070 RTX and never had any single problems. I really never had problems with NVidia at all on Ubuntu, ever. I always stuck with LTS versions though.

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Botzo 7 points 4 months ago

Truly happy for you!

I was originally multi booting LTS Ubuntu to meet reqs for work with Arch for gaming and everything except sleep worked pretty well. The Wayland cutover sucked for years as they fixed one thing and broke another. HDR never worked correctly.

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ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace 2 points 4 months ago

Well with Ubuntu LTS I never had HDR as a feature to begin with lol. So I didn't have to worry about it.

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Botzo 1 point 4 months ago

Should be available OOTB as of 26.04 ... At least with kde!

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ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah but I'm switching to Debian. So I still won't have it for a couple years I think. 🥲

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TabbsTheBat 5 points 4 months ago

Same same :3

The only time I had issues with my 3070 was when I was messing around with drivers, and fucked up some stuff, but that was easy enough to fix (and my fault for messing it up in the first place lol)

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fhein 4 points 4 months ago

I've bought various cards from GTX 970 up to my current RTX 3090 and never had any real issues. So I recommended an RTX 5060 to my wife's friend's kid (we've helped him build and upgrade a Linux computer over the last years) because it seemed like the best value he could get for his modest savings. After installing the card for him I spent hours trying to get it working... In the end I got it to boot and use the GPU in games, but the computer still hangs indefinitely if he tries to shut it down, so every time he has to hold the power button to turn it off. Since then I've got some suggestions for things to try from the Bazzite discord, so I hope it'll be possible to fix.

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palordrolap 2 points 4 months ago

Until I saw this, I assumed it must be a problem with newer Nvidia cards because I almost never had a problem with my ancient GTS450 on Mint and LMDE.

And that "almost" is because of the one time something got added to the kernel that didn't play nice with the OEM driver. Later kernels didn't have the same problem.

All that said, I'm team AMD again and am likely to stay that way. The old computer was built during a very brief window about 15 years ago where it wasn't uncool to buy Intel CPUs and NVidia graphics and, I assume, AMD were having problems.

The PC before that was AMD/ATI, hence "again" now.

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Korhaka 1 point 4 months ago

I have had problems in the past with them, but like a decade or more ago.

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goatinspace 8 points 4 months ago

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Ertain 5 points 4 months ago

@Botzo Have fun with the new card.

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nevyn 4 points 4 months ago

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shadedmagus 1 point 4 months ago

If you know of any cottage shops making superlative GPUs, please let the community know!

As for this discussion, I have had very few problems with my RX 7800XT. Compare this to the issues and performance Nvidia GPUs have on Linux wrt gaming and the official drivers, and it really makes me hope that the recent work on NVK will eventually lead to some relief for our GeForce peeps.

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nevyn 2 points 4 months ago

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MuttMutt 4 points 4 months ago

Switched from a 1080ti myself in March to a 9070xt. Got it during a sale with a free 800 watt PSU and Crimson Desert.

I don't game that much anymore but edit video on the same machine.

Only issue is I am using the same machine for FrigateNVR right now and it was a pain to get the Gasket-dkms driver and new kernel/drivers going as I was time constrained. I don't recommend changing a gpu when you are leaving for 3 weeks and need your cameras working.

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amgine 0 points 4 months ago

This adds complexity but I’m running frigate on an intel laptop with the cpu providing detection. It’s just as capable as the google coral I was running before

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MuttMutt 2 points 4 months ago

The plan is to shift it all to my TrueNAS. I've got a VM setup so I can pass the Google Coral and an ARC A310 through.

I'm in the process of shifting all my data from my currently full pool to a new one and then will be repurposing a couple 4TB drives as striped mirrors with a pair of 240GB D3-S4510's mirrored for metadata to act as the storage point. I'm currently running four 1080p cameras, a 4K ptz, and a dual 4K 180 degree stitched view camera with six 4K fixed cameras to be added along with a 4K PTZ and another 180 dual 4K. The ARC 310 will be used mainly for camera stream processing and a couple cameras object recognition the Coral will handle the rest.

Then my main desktop will be free for everything else.

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amgine 0 points 4 months ago

What kind of cameras? I’m using a zfs pool for storage, easy and quick. Only a few 1080p cameras though

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MuttMutt 1 point 4 months ago

Reolink is what I'm using.

The 4K PTZ is running around 3GB per hour, the 180 degree dual 4K is running about 4.5GB per hour the rest are running around 2.8GB pet hour each.

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Oneiros 4 points 4 months ago

Damn I’m a tech illiterate person but got a 6600xt with a ryzen 5. Should I also be running Linux? The only thing I know about it is I can’t play some games which kind of makes me hesitant.

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cevn 5 points 4 months ago

Most of the games you lose access are not worth imo. LoL, fortnite, valorant. I do miss Apex

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Oneiros 2 points 4 months ago

You’re not wrong. I’ve just heard it’s any game that uses battle eye. I know Destiny 2 and marathon don’t work for that reason. Not that im playing marathon lol

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cevn 1 point 4 months ago

I tried to play Marathon and realized it doesn’t support so refunded lol. There are so many fun games nowadays if they dont want my money, ok.

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Oneiros 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah marathon is genuinely a fun game, but I also stopped playing just because I have no friends to play with and when I group with randoms they tend to want to get into fights constantly, and I prefer to run solo and stealth it, because I’m bad at fps on controller (I bought it on ps5 because my oc was broken at the time.) also fuck bungie for destroying the Destiny franchise.

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Pinguini 4 points 4 months ago

Look up the games you have or the games you're worried about on Proton DB:

https://www.protondb.com/

Then you can see whether you will lose anything with the switch.

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Oneiros 2 points 4 months ago

This was actually really helpful, of course there’s no way of knowing if games releasing in the future will work or not, but it does seem like a lot of my games will work with the exception of Destiny 2.

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black0ut 2 points 4 months ago

Destiny 2 is a funny one because there actually was a Linux version that worked fine, and it was (and maybe still is) what Stadia and all those other remote gaming platforms were running. The system just bans you if you use Linux and aren't any one of those corporations. Which isn't to say that it technically works on Linux, but that all these greedy companies are making our lives more miserable just to extract every last penny, while gaslighting us in the process.

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Oneiros 1 point 3 months ago

Yeah I’ve heard it’s more of bungies fault for not taking the time to authorize it than anything else.

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HakunaHafada 1 point 4 months ago

Yes, you should.

-Sincerely, a Ryzen 5 7600X and Radeon 7700XT user running Linux Mint with a KDE Plasma DE.

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Oneiros 1 point 4 months ago

What version would you recommend? I only know about proton which seems to be best for running most games. I know I’ve read where winds meet runs on proton

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Shark03 1 point 4 months ago

Not OP, but proton isn't Linux it's the software that makes games work on Linux, largely you don't need to mess with the version of it (unless you're into tinkering or something is behaving weirdly) as for which distro, that's kind of a spiritual journey lol, find the one that clicks beat with you. I prefer Arch, but have heard good things about PopOS, Mint, and CachyOS. Of those CachyOS is the one that was specifically built to game, but ultimately the difference between distros of Linux is (for an average person) basically just what package manager you use.

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Oneiros 1 point 3 months ago

Interesting. I appreciate the in depth responses I’m getting here. Looks like I’m gonna have to do a lot more research before I feel comfortable switching. I’m low key terrified I’m gonna ruin my pc entirely trying to uninstall windows lmao. Luckily I do I have a flash drive with windows 11 installed on it in case of emergencies.

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Hiplobbe 1 point 4 months ago

Do you want a seamless and high performance gaming experience? Then no.

Would you take a hit in performance for a more elegant OS and more freedoms? Then yes.

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cyberpunk007 2 points 4 months ago

Been planning the same thing, have the same card, but now is just not the time financially with the AI-price of everything

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Korhaka 2 points 4 months ago

Currently running a RTX2070 but don't really feel like I need more performance, probably going to keep using it until it dies and then get an RX9060XT or what ever is the equivalent at the time. Or if it gets to a point where even the cheapest cards become a pretty significant upgrade I will probably go for it.

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Botzo 1 point 4 months ago

If you're not playing the fancy games with all the ray tracing, and you aren't playing at 4k, the 2070 is still just fine in terms of power. I definitely didn't need the 9070 XT. I would have been just fine with a 9060xt, 9070gre or 9070. I did want to bump to 12 or 16gb of memory. And I scored a good enough deal combined with credit card points to jump all the way to the 9070xt. This one will follow me for another 6 years at least unless some paradigm shift happens.

I will say that you'll enjoy more frames at a lower power draw if you don't crank up your settings on the new cards.

But it was really all of the polish that finally wore me down. Spent a year playing with the outermost 10% of the screen flickering sometimes in some games. I never could figure it out. Got tired seeing the HDR box in games knowing I had monitors that supported it but a card that broke font rendering with it enabled. Tired of some games randomly crashing because suddenly the drivers broke again. And the 20xx series is the next one to lose support entirely.

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Hiplobbe -1 points 4 months ago

Nice karma farming post! :D

Myself I have ofc had some issues with my RTX 4090, since I also do AI stuff Nvidia is the way to go. But I want to give other users the nuance that if you get a gaming distro (cachy, garuda, pika, nobara) you will meet little resistance with at least newer cards.

Of course AMD will give you a better put of the box experience, at a more affordable price.

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ohshit604 2 points 4 months ago

Nice karma farming post! :D

Please point to where you see Karma on Lemmy.

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Hiplobbe 1 point 4 months ago

It was of course a cheeky comment, what I meant was that it proclaims a very popular opinion.

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