Yeah, thankfully Sony's gaming division is pretty easy to drop, unlike say, Nestle or something, where every other dime you spend in a grocery store ends up in their evil pocket somehow even if you're trying to be careful to avoid them.
MonkeMischief 5 points 2 months ago
samus12345 1 point 2 months ago
Maybe there are plenty of people who will pay $1000+ for an all-digital walled garden console, but it's kinda jumping the gun for them to assume they've got it on lock since it will be untested until next gen starts.
Signtist 3 points 2 months ago
One major misconception people often make is that they assume they represent the average person. You won't pay $1,000 for an all-digital walled garden console, but there are a bunch of people who just buy the next console to keep playing Fifa or Madden or whatever, and don't pay any attention to any of this. Sony is banking on those people continuing to buy their products regardless, allowing them to make more money charging more for cheaper products, even if they lose some of their more well-informed consumers in the process.
samus12345 1 point 2 months ago
The point is, we don't know how many people there are who would buy at that price point because it's as yet untested. Most of the people with PS5s now got them when they were $500 or less. I'm genuinely interested to see how a console with a 4 digit starting price fares. It's a given that the PS6 will sell out at launch even if it's $2000; it's what happens after the demand of the hardcore gamers with excessive disposable income is satiated that will be interesting to see.
Signtist 1 point 2 months ago
You're right, we don't know. Hopefully everyone will collectively agree that it's not worth the price, but I've unfortunately seen too many companies blatantly fuck with their consumers only to have record profits to think this is going to be any different.
kboos1 18 points 2 months ago
What do you mean about unaffordable PC gaming? A 10 year old console costs nearly as much as a brand new PC, like $200-$300 difference. Plus the games are cheaper on PC. Plus all to advantages of owning a PC/laptop. What made consoles appealing 10+ years ago is gone, no more plugnplay, no more savings, and no more simplicity.
PS5 Pro $900 re-released with minor upgrades 2024
Gaming Laptop $950 released 2023
BaraCoded 14 points 2 months ago
I'm a PC gamer, so I support your point. Mine is that assembling a good gaming PC now is unaffordable, especially since the AI bubble has made the prices soar. Haven't you seen the Steam Machine? Have you seen its specs? Its price?
So, yeah, PC games are cheaper, but the cost of entry atm is an arm.
popekingjoe 9 points 2 months ago
While I do agree with all of your points, no one said it had to be your arm.
cattywampas 3 points 2 months ago
You could buy a cheaper PC and not play AAA games.
deafboy 10 points 2 months ago
I don't think so. The Moore's law is dead. The priviledge of buying a new machine that's twice as fast, half as power hungry or half the price as the old one is over.
One of the ways to optimize is to shorten the length of the bus connecting the components, making the machine more compact, less modular and less repairable.
I've enjoyed the golden times of technology as much as anyone, but realize it was an anomaly, not the normal.
As for the AI buble, it will pop eventually, to be replaced by some new fad, but it will never be the same.
PS: Just as I'm wring this, I've noticed a release fom IBM about a 0.7nm process that's supposed to be twice as powerful and 70% more energy effective compared to 2nm, so not all is lost (yet). Can't wait for the yield number.
red_tomato 15 points 2 months ago
Next theyโll wonder why anti consumer practices donโt give them more consumers
MonkeMischief 6 points 2 months ago
Sony's "What, don't you guys have phones?!" Moment. Lol
AdolfSchmitler 2 points 2 months ago
Unfortunately Diablo is still pretty successful so I guess they got away with it?
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor 17 points 2 months ago
Yeah, they did it yesterday: they basically told us that next xbox won't have an optical drive so they are looking for ways of digitizing your physical "for your convenience":
KombatWombat 15 points 2 months ago
So don't be their consumer
nosuchanon 7 points 2 months ago
Sony being Sony. Same shit every couple years.
nosuchanon 1 point 2 months ago
The Sony RootKit is still active on old CDs. Even though the servers are long gone.
There was a substack I read recently that went through what is on 2000s era dvds and still trying to phone home.
Found it.
BagOfHeavyStones 5 points 2 months ago
Lucky I never got bored with Quake 1, Redneck Rampage and Carmageddon 1. Oh, and the original Lotus game that fits on a floppy.
ColeSloth 5 points 2 months ago
Question to anyone who was buying ps5 discs:
When was the last time you even bought a game on disc that didn't need a download to fix a critical issue right away? Cause it seems like they ruined disc ownership like since PS4 times.
samus12345 14 points 2 months ago
Discs have become more of a tradeable license than anything else, but that's still far, far better than having no option at all.
ColeSloth 2 points 2 months ago
if you sell your games, sure. But I can play any game on any of my PS3 and older systems right now, right down to my 40 year old NES.
You think that sony server is going to give you those game patches 15 years from now?
samus12345 1 point 2 months ago
You think that Sony server is going to give you those game patches 15 years from now?
Probably, considering that even with the closing of the PS3 store 20 years later, you will still be able to download and patch games you've already purchased. PS4 and PS5 will likely be backwards compatible on PS6 (for digital games only, of course), so will remain up for even longer since they'll still be usable on current hardware.
But even if they're went the Nintendo route where you only have a 15 year window or so, a tradeable license during that period is better than none at all. Still sucks ultimately, of course.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 2 months ago
tunic?
idk, when i got Sea of Stars it seemed to run fine until the update installed.
cattywampas 5 points 2 months ago
If you're so worried about Sony discontinuing physical media, just move to Steam!
samus12345 5 points 2 months ago
Protip, you can run pirated games through Steam as a non-Steam game as well!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 2 months ago
i mean yeah, but why?
samus12345 2 points 2 months ago
If you're on Linux, for Proton, and Steam Input for compatibility. There have been many games that won't work with my PS5 controller unless I run them through Steam.
leave_it_blank 1 point 2 months ago
Where you own nothing as well. People have become comfortable with that thought since Steam launched, today they love it.
Ubisoft just said it out loud. Fuck them all!
NikkiDimes 1 point 2 months ago
Yup. I was thinking about getting a playstation when GTA VI comes out. Ill wait for the PC release. If I'm forced into digital only, it'll be on Steam, thanks.
A_Random_Idiot 3 points 2 months ago
Thats okay. you can be rest assured, theres plenty of people out there that don't care about the harm they cause and will continue buying sony products and digital downloads, sustaining sonys anticonsumer practices for years to come.
/s
avocado 2 points 2 months ago
I hate big corporations as next guy, but 80-90% of video games sales today are digital sales. See sources below. To me it seems like an example of people preaching one thing, that they want physical media, and the vast majority silently doing the opposite, because it's more convenient. Isn't this at least partly our own fault?
Sc00ter 1 point 2 months ago
I only play console games. Intentionally bought the disk version of the ps5. The only time i buy disks is when theyre cheaper, which only happens when im getting an older game. If theyre the same price, im going digital for the convenience
ferrule 2 points 2 months ago
At this point all consoles are dead to me. We only but physical carts for the kids switch one and they are offline as much as possible. I only play indie and retro games because i want to give money to people who deserve it and on systems that can never have these issues. There is enough of both to keep me entertained my entire life.
unexposedhazard -5 points 2 months ago
Why is this still a topic? Having a physical disk doesnt give you any more ownership over the games. The ability to play the game is still tied to a license that they can revoke at any time. Once activated the copy is tied to your account or am i misremembering this? You dont lose anything from this except for a useless plastic box.
Quadrexium 9 points 2 months ago
The point is that you lose out on the ability to buy games second hand
unexposedhazard 3 points 2 months ago
Can you though? Arent the CDs just basically single use activation codes?
samus12345 4 points 2 months ago
No. You can insert any PS4 or PS5 disc into any PS5 with a disc drive and it will run the game. It might also require a download, but they're not tied to specific accounts.
unexposedhazard 3 points 2 months ago
I see, then its fair to be pissed, i retract my point ๐ซก
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 2 months ago
single use? no. but yes activation code.
pyramid20 5 points 2 months ago
Yeah, you're broadly right - and this is still shitty anti-consumerist behavior.
In regards to a game behind tied to an account, I'm not sure about that, but I don't know enough to say for sure. Say I buy a game, install the game on my machine, then trade that disc to a friend. If Sony nukes my account, I think the game would still work for my friend. Or, if they revoke that one game's license, what if I had another copy of the game? It's possible to set up a PS5 without the Internet: wouldn't Sony then be stopped from knowing what you're doing/be able to revoke licenses?
You're right that physical media is still technically a license to use the item for personal use, that you don't actually own the work, and that conceivably it can be revoked by the company. However, having a physical piece of media allows you to play it offline, loan it to a friend, sell it on eBay, rent it from GameFly, and back it up digitally. Games can then be emulated and preserved for future generations.
Having choices matter: whether between Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, or Valve, or having physical or digital media. When Microsoft is failing, Sony is less inclined to do right by gamers. If we lose physical games, it will be easier for games to be altered/removed/revoked at whim. Years ago there was a rash of TV episodes pulled from streaming due to various censorship reasons - but they still exist on DVD & BR for fans to enjoy. Movies that don't get released physically and aren't on streaming are functionally lost/dead.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 2 months ago
n regards to a game behind tied to an account, Iโm not sure about that, but I donโt know enough to say for sure. Say I buy a game, install the game on my machine, then trade that disc to a friend. If Sony nukes my account, I think the game would still work for my friend. Or, if they revoke that one gameโs license, what if I had another copy of the game? Itโs possible to set up a PS5 without the Internet: wouldnโt Sony then be stopped from knowing what youโre doing/be able to revoke licenses?
i have not had my account or game nuked, but i have lent disks to friends. shit it's how my public library works. the physical media contains the token that identifies the license. not the license holder.
Phantaloons -7 points 2 months ago
It's ok when Valve and CDPR does it.
edit: okay, you got me
It's not okay when they do it and you're looking past it anyway.
that's cool... I mean, I'm not a hypocrite, sooo
ferrule 4 points 2 months ago
The difference is you are buying into a system with a specific setup. PS5 has a disc drive so you want physical media for whatever reason. Now the drive and the system for purchasing games is changing mid life of the console.
Some people might not have bought the system had this been told at the the release.
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They've always prioritized anti-consumer practices, they just used to have to hide them and hold themselves back because there was a chance we might actually stop buying their products if we got too mad. Now they've pacified us to the point where we'll complain even as we pull out our credit cards to consume more of their wares.
It's literally the same issue we're having in politics; they're not your friends, and they have never been your friends - they only care about improving their own situation. They won't care about someone who doesn't stand up for themselves, and things will only get worse if we don't come together to do something to stop their gravy train.
At least with corporations it's easy - you just have to stop buying their products. Even that's too hard for everyone to coordinate in this apathetic day and age, though, so they keep on profiting.
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