Scientists Say a Critical Ocean Current System May Already Be Past the Point of No Return
3 months ago by return2ozma to c/world
Nah... this is 2026! You can just say things now! Go back to the 90's with your scientific integrity, party pooper.
There have been dozens of studies indicating issues with AMOC, but because the latest one has yet to be peer reviewed we should do nothing and ignore all the warning signs
IDK, maybe just this once we act early. What's the worst that happens, we reduce pollution a bit? We invest too much into scientific research?
I get that it's easy to to jump to conclusions online but you literally have me all wrong. I work in researching carbon sequestration. As already mentioned in a different comment reply, I'm happy that people are researching AMOC and the consequences its weakening will bring. But, there's a very big difference between saying, "AMOC is weakening and may collapse at some point if things don't change", and "we're already past the point of no return". One is a helpful statement, the other just drums of despair, which isn't a helpful emotion for tackling climate change.
If you look at the pre-print, its written to my eyes in a somewhat unscientific manner relative to most other climate publications, and so I kind of doubt its rigor. If you want an in-depth review, https://www.annualreviews.org/... presents an update article on why exactly making this sort of conclusion is difficult.
The AMOC has been in a lot of trouble for years now. Ironically, it was the cleaning up of shipping cargo oil that may have put the final nail. We stopped using a fuel that emitted SO2 into the atmosphere, but that SO2 actually ended up as a sort of shielding from the full effects of the greenhouse effect happening elsewhere over the Atlantic. Without it, temperatures this year and last year absolutely soared
Oh definitely, there's a lot of troubling outcomes and I'm glad the research is being done. I just think news reporting on unreviewed results is good for nothing other than fear mongering. And it's not like that has been effective for other consequences of climate change. Giving people more reasons to 'give up' won't help solve problems.
I prefer to be concerned only after I notice the water is boiling.
Thing about it is, something will happen. Complexity aside. If it changes, the likelihood of a bad outcome is significant.
Any dramatic change in nature is almost always bad change, chaos is extremely bad for many parts of civilization.
In my groundbreaking (yet to be peer reviewed) research, Ive found evidence of the Moon being 98% Gouda cheese. The remaining 2% is actually avocado toast
The scientists probably thought we would heed their warnings and reduce our rate of emissions. Those poor fools.
Here it is for those who haven't:
Time for the four stage strategy:
Stage 1: Nothing's going to happen.
Stage 2: Something may be going to happen but we should do nothing about it.
Stage 3: Maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.
Stage 4: Maybe there was something we could've done, but it's too late now.
I reckon we're about at stage 3 on this one. Still, at least us Europeans won't have to put up with any more heatwaves.
What's today but yesterday's tomorrow, Mr. Squidward?
Reducing emissions as swiftly as possible will be essential to prevent AMOC collapse and other catastrophic impacts of climate change.
Almost every Russian region hit by fuel crisis, as Ukraine escalates drone attacks
Iran strikes three vessels near Strait of Hormuz as Trump arrives at NATO summit
It's ironic that our tendency for senseless violence may be the only thing that saves us from our tendency for ruinous unchecked greed and gluttony.
If everyone turned violent against the ruling billionaire epstein class it would certainly fix a LOT of problems.
I have never read such an apt and absolutely brutal comment on humans. I tip my imaginary hat to you!
How hilarious would it be if humanity averted the very worst effects of climate change purely through dumb, hateful war? I'm very well aware we're fucked as we're likely headed towards the SSP3 to SSP7 projections, but maybe all these wars will escalate to the point that we avoid SSP7+
I think it's already too late. It's already showing the same signs of collapse as the latest simulations, and in real life it's showing these signs an order of magnitude faster than in the simulations (decades instead of centuries).
why stop at Russian oil refineries?
oh no! Capitalism!
Are we going to end up with North American monsoon season or the Great North American Desert? Or maybe both at the same time! I'm so excited for all the novelty the climate future holds.
No one is going to care: it’s more long term than climate change and much harder to conceptualize
Once we’ve stopped the drivers for the current, the water has the inertia to keep moving for a century or more. This not only won’t affect us, but won’t affect our children or grandchildren. People are really bad with such long time periods
Once we’ve stopped the drivers for the current, the water has the inertia to keep moving for a century or more.
You should stop listening to whoever told you this. It makes absolutely no sense.
This not only won’t affect us, but won’t affect our children or grandchildren
Bro, just look around.
AMOC is extremely important because it spreads nutrients north and mixes cool water in the south, and its collapse will lead to extreme droughts in some areas, floods in others, extreme cold in others, and extreme heat in others, which will lead to agriculture collapse and food security issues, leading to more wars and migration, leading to even more wars, etc.
Yep...
Next they'll tell me that Antarctic sea ice is past the point of no return! Make up your minds climate nerds!
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"In a study that has yet to undergo peer review..." tells you all you need to be concerned about for right now. AMOC is a very complex phenomenon and not easy at all to model. All conclusions should be properly vetted before becoming actual news.
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