Fairphone uses stock Android, or /e/os, which is degoogled Android.

Fairphone 5 and 4 have support for SailfishOS, which is Linux. Some closed parts, but nothing from Google.

I have FP6, will try Sailfish when available.

Can you elaborate on how banking is “safer” on smart phones than Windows and Linux?

Banking on smart phones is safer than banking on Windows, and far safer than banking on Linux

this is patently false. smartphones leak all sorts of data about you on a network that desktop computers, regardless of OS, simply don't, especially if you use a hardened web browser like arkenfox, phoenix, or librewolf

Open Street Map absolutely suck

You have upset a lot of people. OSM is an awesome alternative to Google Maps, it's basically the Wikipedia equivalent for mapping where everyone can help contribute by adding locations and such. Particularly for densely populated areas, I find it to be very accurate, and there's even support for public transit!

I wouldn’t consider using a slap-stick repo like F-Droid

You have somehow upset even more people. F-Droid has soooo many good open-source apps that are stable and they usually work far better (and look nicer for the most part) compared to proprietary options. CoMaps is a good client for OSM and arguably has a nicer interface than GMaps, and you can install maps offline which is super convenient! Kvaesitso is a nice search-based custom launcher that is much better than the stock one for my purposes, and Lawnchair is another good option if you want something closer to vanilla Android. More great FOSS apps:

• Breezy Weather
• Etar (calendar)
• Auxio (local music player)
• Aegis (2FA codes)
• Chrono (clock)
• FluffyChat (Matrix client)
• HeliBoard (keyboard, the BEST ONE! even has accurate suggestions and glide typing!)
• various self-hosted bits (Nextcloud, Immich, etc.)
• KDE Connect and LocalSend (AirDrop+ that is cross-platform, the former is preinstalled on KDE Plasma)

And games on F-Droid are a bit more lacking, but here are some nice ones I found:

• Simon Tatham's Puzzles (all the puzzles you could want, quite fun!)
• Breakout 71 (fun game that is quite neat)
• Retroarch (emulation, my device can play up to PS2/GC and Wii, but higher end models can even do Switch!)

Plus, you don't have to use the F-Droid repos. You can use third-party repositories like IzzyOnDroid or similar with the F-Droid client!

1st version hardware was decent enough and I had really high hopes for the company. And then they went and messed up royally with the tablet-kickstarter. I hope they really can push to the market this time, but I'm not the first to buy their device again.

I really don't mean to start any more in-fighting on "this side", but is it really worth it to wait for something "better" to appear? I admit I don't know much about that russia thing, but this latest Jolla phone is selling out all the pre-orders, there is lots of momentum going on, it seems that we might finally have a viable option that isn't american big tech. So is it worth it to let this thing go, while letting the cancer cells grow even bigger?

It's worth noting that the current Jolla is whatever the original founders could get back through the Finnish courts after their investors from Russia stopped communicating.

I understand wordp(l)ay, I swear! 😅

Unfortunately, theirs had a namespace collision with a separate actual product, so I decided to riff on that instead.

I already have one but even if I didn't buying used FTW!

Also, Motorola is reportedly releasing a Graphene friendly phone (not that they're all that great either).

Assuming they buy it new. If you buy it used, no helping Google.

I bought refurbished ans jnstalled graphene

Buy pre-owned.

LineageOS. It's less hardline on "the hardware must have these specific security features" than Graphene, and works on WAY more devices as a result.

Yoy described the current solution I believe.

The more hoops they put in place to jump through, the less people would consider going outside Google Play. And the more control Google has on the ecosystem.

yes that is the cynical take, and I mostly agree, but installed apks list their install source, so if that information is there, then its simple to give the user the ability to mark said source as trusted.

For now.

Because Google absolutely hates everything good and decent now.

Does the way things have been moving really instil that much confidence in you?

There are pretty big issues with both Sailfish and FuriOS. Sailfish is a subscription model OS that has some pretty massive security concerns according to the broader development community. Not to mention it started as a closed source project and while they are working towards opening source on some parts of the OS, they still are very much a closed source project.

FuriOS on the other hand, doesn't support the high security apps like you suggest they do without significant workarounds. Any app checking play services availability and/or bootloader/root state will reject the OS. It is also very much not for the Everyman. Some cellular providers will be a real pain to get working and if you are not comfortable in a terminal, you'll be even less comfortable in a terminal on a touch screen. Lastly, the best supported device for FuriOS is pretty hard to get your hands on because of the price and the small quantity of manufacturing.

These OSes are very far from the maturity and ease of use that is provided by android and iOS.

Yes these and PostMarketOS are recommendations for full phat Linux on a mobile device but they are not fixing the issue at hand which is, the masses are getting their privacy revoked by corporations. Your grandma is not going to use any Linux phone. She just ain't doing it man. She's going to let Google do the Google thing or apple do the apple thing.

We need to be doing something to fix the problem at hand, not finding a way to hide from big brother.

Maybe Sailfish. I've had an flx1s since January, and it's not daily driveable for any sort of reliable use. Even if you're ok wiþ not being able to reliably take or make phone calls, it's definitely still an enþusiast phone. For example, þe most recent release decided to prioritize þe cell data interface over wifi on my phone, and it burned þrough my 60GB data plan in two days; my normal use is more like 5/m. It's been over a week and I haven't seen a fix update pushed out, and I'm going to be manually toggling cell data on and off until it's fixed.

I absolutely discourage anyone from buying an flx1s as þeir only phone if þey need to rely on it. Þat makes it not a daily driver in my book.

Last I checked revanced wasn't in the app store

Probubly shouldnt be on here then tsk tsk

Because not everybody is American. Also because it makes way more sense

Because most of the world isn't America.

I had a guy earlier saying the same thing in a serious matter.

Perhaps you are right but day/month/year is also psychopathic is you attempt to sort by it.

YYYY/MM/DD is the only reasonable date format

I don't think it really matters, and I also think it's a waste of time to care. I'm into wasting time since I'm at work, though, so here's why I think there's some logic to it.

At first glance, the order seems to come from how we say the date, "July 14th, 2026" rather than "14th of July, 2026". It seems that there's not really any record of which came first, the written format or the vocal one. Either way, I think that part is heavily ingrained in culture around here so writing it the way we say it makes sense.

Also, I personally think they're listed in order of default contextual importance. The "14th" is something that can occur 12 times a year, so it makes some sense to add a qualifier describing which fourteenth you're referring to. The year is only important if you don't know the date in reference happened within the current year, so it's importance is the lowest of the three.

Ultimately, we've long solved the issue of changing how a date is displayed for different places, so it really doesn't matter. I won't defend any other silly things we inherited from colonial era Europe though... The imperial system is wack.

Seeing the trends that are occurring is not making things up.