Trump Fires Blue State Attorney After Less Than an Hour

a month ago by Tony Bark to c/politics

The White House has found a novel way to ensure Donald Trump’s nominees ascend to power.

Federal judges in the Western District of Washington swore in former King County Superior Court Judge Roger Rogoff as U.S. attorney Wednesday morning. Within 54 minutes, Trump fired him.

The district’s 17 federal judges have been trying to find a replacement for Seattle’s First Assistant U.S. Attorney Neil Floyd, after Trump failed to formally nominate him. Floyd was appointed in October, though his name was never officially advanced to the Senate for consideration.

Federal law grants a district’s judges the power to appoint a U.S. attorney if the president and the acting attorney general fail to do so within 120 days, subsequently stonewalling the procedural Senate hearings.

Tolookah 63 points a month ago

Couldn't they just rehire him? (If he's willing to game this)

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blueworld 56 points a month ago

Not without waiting the 120 days, or that's how I'm understanding this game. And if they did, the Administration would probably do the same. It a technically correct method that skirts the spirit of the law.

They've been doing this with US Attorneys in several states, to get what they want. They did the same with Tessa Gormon in the same district, and Donald Kinsella in NY.

This is a good topic for LegalEagle or lawfaremedia.org or similar, so watch for something soon.

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luciferofastora 7 points a month ago

It a technically correct method that skirts the spirit of the law.

Better than the methods that piss on the spirit of the law, but aren't held accountable, whether or not they are technically correct.

But yeah, obviously not an ideal situation. Maybe worth it as a form of protest though?

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newton 48 points a month ago

Sheep people rise now

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VoodooAardvark 21 points a month ago

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crandlecan 8 points a month ago

Meeeeh!

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RaftDespairPoise 4 points a month ago

Four legs good! Two legs behhhtter!

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OhStopYellingAtMe 12 points a month ago

Spiraling toward a full fascist dictatorship. Hardly anyone trying to stop it.

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Corporal_Punishment 10 points a month ago

Another step towards becoming an authoritarian dictatorship and still Americans do nothing.

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WhoIzDisIz 44 points a month ago

What should they realistically be doing?

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BigLime 19 points a month ago

Rioting

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CorrectAlias 10 points a month ago

And when CBP, the national guard, and police show up and shoot everyone when Trump declares martial law (you know, exactly what Trump wants before the midterms)? What then? I'm taking notes.

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Brainsploosh 7 points a month ago

The point is to show up in large enough numbers that it doesn't matter.

Revolts aren't without risk, and typically bloody.

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Zexks 3 points a month ago

You surround them and take their shit as soon as they show up. Yes some people are going to get hurt, but thats already happening anyways isnt it. Revolution does not come quietly

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hanrahan 2 points a month ago

see the Maidan Uprising, no need to take notes, ask Ukrainian's.

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agamemnonymous 7 points a month ago

Why? To get shot by the police? How long ago was BLM?

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WizardofFrobozz 1 point a month ago

You absolute goddamn coward.

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edible_funk 0 points a month ago

You're right, we should just lie back and take it like we've been.

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stylusmobilus 10 points a month ago

A national shutdown.

Every direction now involves hardship, because there’s no more fair elections till this regime is removed. Peaceful shutdown is the easiest and least bloody.

They failed at the easy option, twice. Running won’t help either because we can’t stop it and it’s not our job to.

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Mediocre_Bard_Redeux 13 points a month ago

People in the USA can't afford to lose everything by missing even a week of work. I'm dead serious. If you do a shutdown, you will get fired. If you get fired, you will lose your access to healthcare, assuming you have any. There is no housing protection and no food safety net in place to help people who commit to a cause.

Now, let's say none of that mattered. Something close to 2/3rds of Americans cannot cover an emergent $500 expenditure. To fly from the west coast to DC in order to protest costs about $1000. Driving across the country costs even more.

Now, let's say none of that mattered. The USA has about 2 million of its citizens in prison at any given time. This doesn't account for the implementation of concentration camps both throughout the USA and abroad to hold people detained by ICE, including American citizens, some of whom have been deported to countries that they have never been to.

Now, let's say none of that mattered. Slavery is still 100% legal in the USA as punishment for a crime under the 13th amendment. The cool thing about slaves is that you can assign them to do whatever. Maybe you work a call center for a corporation, maybe you get sent out to fight wildland forest fires, or even disaster relief cleanup. For those that are compensated, the average across state rate is $0.62 per hour. If you refuse to participate, the consequences start with the removal privileges, escalate to solitary confinement, and eventually you get transferred to a higher security facility.

Now, let's say none of that mattered. While in prison you will be exposed to abuses including but not limited to the following: physical violence, sexual assault, excessive force, and systemic retaliation.

All of this can happen as a result of 1 serious offense, where the seriousness of the offense is determined largely by the current presidential administration. A typical felony case in the US will cost you about $5,000 unless you go with a public defender. A public defender still costs money, but the cost is less and their services are funded through a sliding scale fee based on the defendant’s income, plus court filing fees. While there is no difference in the severity of the outcome of provided by a public defender, there is a difference in the timeline, with public defender caseloads requiring longer timelines to get before the court. It's not a huge difference, but remember where you would be waiting it out.

So, as a parent in the USA I have to decide if I want to protest against the government. This is an unseen entity on the other side of the country. My job is dope, so I could actually do this. I could buy a ticket, take the time off work, travel to Washington DC, protest, get arrested, pay the money to expedite my trial and return to my family in, let's say, a calendar year, during which time I would lose my job, income, and healthcare benefits and my daughter cannot go to college or really count on any type of inheritance. I have to decide if that is a price that I am willing to pay. Given that we live in a high surveillance police state, the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of me being caught. This also assumes that the federal government doesn't gun me down in the streets, which is now a real possibility.

Or I can do nothing, hope that the old fucks in government die off (they are all very old), and generally live a decent life. I know that the government has no qualms about destroying my life or those of my fellow citizens on a large-scale basis. It's seriously not worth the risk. Does that make me complicit in the atrocities committed by my government both at home and abroad? Sure does. Does it spare me being the victim of those atrocities personally? Sure does.

This isn't written as an excuse for the average American's behavior. It is written to provide some insight into why the average American doesn't take up arms or even publicly resist the government. The average American is scared of losing access to the incredible amount of wealth and privilege that we enjoy. We know that it is all built on outsourced oppression. As long as we don't make waves, we can enjoy access to shitty food, mass produced culture, and use internet filters to block out the bad news that we don't want to see.

Where the real money is, in terms of political change in the USA, is lone wolf violence. Not the fake stuff coordinated by the President, but actual nut-job, mass-shooting, cars-into-crowds, crazy home invasion political action. Since I am a regular-ass human being, none of that is reasonable to me. But the other side has people who are sure as shit willing to throw their lives away on a murder charge because they believe, rightfully so, that they have a non-zero chance at a political pardon followed by a boost in income from becoming a minor celebrity to their cause, and literally no access to mental healthcare or opposing viewpoints. Even if my fake-ass "left" political party was in power, I couldn't get away with that.

So, yeah, that was off-the-cuff and a bit of a ramble, but I hope that it provided some insight to, without condoning, the behavior of the typical American citizen.

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stylusmobilus 2 points a month ago

Not really, it’s just a summary of the necessity to put up with hardship, the easiest form of it, because they couldn’t take the easy path.

This opinion that we don’t understand because we’re outsiders is just another example of Americans expecting understanding they don’t offer others, over a problem that now threatens the entire world because they couldn’t vote.

Nice story, but it adds nothing. We know they’ll lose jobs and healthcare. It’d take two weeks for a shutdown in just the cities to get Congress acting, but don’t expect any sympathy from outsiders when we just keep getting more, longer excuses implying we don’t understand.

We understand all right; it’s a selfish population of individualists who only start caring when their own shit pile is harmed. Then they’ll probably try and run.

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Taleya 2 points a month ago

You're basically just stating theres no risk free way to do this

Newsflash: there never is.

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Auli -3 points a month ago

I mean buy buy buy its the American way. Spend more money then any other country per person.

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gmtom 8 points a month ago

Fucking protest at the very least. When other countries try authoritarian shit you have millions of people protesting in the capital for days on end.

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ChillPenguin 15 points a month ago

We've been protesting weekly in Minnesota for half a year now. Since the ICE stuff started.

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gmtom 3 points a month ago

From the scarce videos I can find the weekly protests they appear to be in the order of dozens of people, not the hundreds of thousands or millions that are necessary to even have a chance at making a difference.

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WizardofFrobozz -10 points a month ago

Great. You’re participating in democracy. That’s what you’re supposed to be doing during the BEST of times.

Try doing something.

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Alkali 3 points a month ago

Edit: I'm clearly going to get down voted into oblivion, but that doesn't really matter. What does matter is that if you are a US citizen, protest AFTER the upcoming election if you are going to do it. Especially if you are in a "red" state We need to remove as much of the veneer of legitimate as possible from this administration. If you protest now, there is a risk your vote gets removed. Don't listen to dumb fucks from other countries who have no concept of the social issues of the US. They don't even understand the moral, economic, and social issues around tipping. Their opinions are invalid. VOTE. It probably won't work, but we can always protest etc. After. This act now right before midterms bs is just ignorance or psy-ops.

Original post below: He's doing this to create civil unrest so he can declare martial law. You are suggesting people take action that aids that goal.

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gmtom 4 points a month ago

Oh? Well just sit back and let the fascists take over without so much as raising a finger to stop them 👍

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M0oP0o 3 points a month ago

Ah yes, some 5d chess move to invoke martial law. From the same guy that has already deployed the national guard and has his goons shooting people daily.

HA!

What a shit eating people, you are already at that stage, this administration has clearly shown they need nothing based in reality to do anything. They just do it, and say things.

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Auli 1 point a month ago

Unfortunatly we know your social issues more then our own. People can quote stuff from your constitution but not our own. We drown in the shit you putout.

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WizardofFrobozz 0 points a month ago

You cowards have been using this line for cover for more than a year now, and continue to be steamrolled every day.

Just keep your head down, yeah? Everything will just work out if you stay peaceful.

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AlecSadler 5 points a month ago

Violent revolution is the only answer, but we won't do it. So my plan b is to move. Doesn't solve the world crisis the US is causing, doesn't solve the rise of fascism, but it at least gives me some breathing room to reset and regroup.

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stylusmobilus 4 points a month ago

No it’s not

Peaceful shutdown is the only answer. You have to grind the wheels to a halt and force those influential people who actually can act, act.

That’s the only way now.

Edit: no point running, we can’t stop it, and you brought this on yourselves. We had no say in this, why should we bail you out? Stay and help fix it please

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aceshigh 2 points a month ago

Where is a good place to move? Australia seems to be the only option that’s furthest away.

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FistingEnthusiast 1 point a month ago

My fiancée is 'Murican

We're getting her out of that backwards shit hole and over to Oz

It's not perfect here, but I've lived in many countries, and it's damned close

There's a reason why I chose to make it my home

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bedifferent 1 point a month ago path: 0 24791538 24791670 24798014 24812056 24812124, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
WizardofFrobozz -1 points a month ago

Don’t try to move north. We don’t want servile, shitty cowards up here.

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Tiger666 3 points a month ago

If you think Canada will be immune to this fascistic cancer you are very, very wrong.

Once the wheels start moving they will come for Canada and Cuba and Venezuala and Greenland. Mark my words this will happen. We (Canada) will be in the fight from day one, this is more than crystal clear.

They will need to make their move right around November, most probably in a Reichstag fire type moment (maybe they assassinate trump and blame liberals? That would take care of two birds with one stone).

They will tell us that Antifa and the Democrats have done this. They will declare martial law and will start arresting liberals and leftists. After they take the US they will immediately turn their attention outwards.

Our only saving grace is that we will have righteousness on our side and they will have failing moral from invading their closest allies whom they train with constantly.

I have no doubt that Canada will prevail in the coming war but it wont be easy.

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AlecSadler 2 points a month ago

Well, sorry, but CAD is plan b and I already have an employer there willing to assist

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Auli -3 points a month ago

Sit back let it happen I guess. Wait for the next president to do nothing and slowly slide down the slope.

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crandlecan -6 points a month ago

Emmigrate

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CorrectAlias 13 points a month ago

You got any money for those of us that can't afford it and are trapped in one of the most capitialist hellholes?

What happens when fascism knocks in the new country? Fascism is rising globally.

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trackball_fetish 2 points a month ago

Rising? No, planned

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yakko 10 points a month ago

Done that, but it hasn't fixed anything. Also, the UK is noticeably worse since I got here... I can't get anything right!

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farmgineer 9 points a month ago

I moved back in 2015 and, while many things about my personal situation are better (though not all), that doesn't solve the actual problem. Things happening in the US still impact the rest of the world no matter what.

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aproposnix 4 points a month ago

Yeah, no. I left a long time ago as the writing was on the wall well before Trump. The political right has been working to dumb down America beyind belief since at least the 1970's.

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bedifferent 2 points a month ago

@crandlecan @WhoIzDisIz In early 2017 after the election we knew had putin in it, we got our passports and looked. One of us went to "seminars" about going to different countries. We're still here.

Friends who escaped nazi Germany are still here and one is deathly afraid of what's happening. She likely has enough to get out but seems unable to.

If we could leave, we'd leave. We can't and we'll die here. Younger people with skills that are needed elsewhere should get the hell out.

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crandlecan 1 point a month ago

😢

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CorrectAlias 8 points a month ago

Similar things could be said about the UK.

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Rothe 4 points a month ago

Except things are way worse in the US than in the UK (as bad as they are there).

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CorrectAlias 6 points a month ago

Sure, but that doesn't mean it's not getting worse in the UK as well. I haven't seen much action on the UK's part either, but unlike most people leaving comments like the one I replied to, I'm willing to admit that I don't live there to see what people are doing on a daily basis.

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WizardofFrobozz -4 points a month ago

They’re getting worse elsewhere BECAUSE YOU ARE SITTING ON YOUR ASSES.

You spent a century belligerently giving everyone else the finger and crowing about how fighting authoritarianism was the one thing you’re better at than everyone else. Yeah, fascism will spread to our countries topic but at least before that happens MAGA will give you what you deserve.

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Corporal_Punishment 0 points a month ago

And british people tend to react when things get bad.

Americans arguably have the most effective tools at their disposal and aren't doing anything

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CorrectAlias 12 points a month ago

Do they? They're getting bad right now, and yet, I've not seen much reacting.

Do you see the problem here? If you're not in it, you cannot possibly know for sure what the average person is doing. Not when our media is owned by the same fascist billionaires.

Americans may have guns, but we also have the highest funded military. The military is controlled by the very fascist we need to fight against. Plus, Trump is counting on violence before the midterms so he can stomp out all opposition domestically. Is that something you'd want, the opposition dead so he truly has full control?

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gmtom 1 point a month ago

What has the UK done that's anything like this? You're actually crazy if you think the situations are comparable.

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stephen01king -1 points a month ago

There are enough people protesting the treatment of Palestine now that the upcoming Prime Minister already feels the need to call out the way his predecessor treated the issue. I don't see enough protests in the US for things that affect them directly, let alone for things that affect people thousands of kilometres away. What happened to the energy behind BLM? You guys need it now more than ever.

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JeeBaiChow -5 points a month ago

Have the govt you voted for! If you didnt vote, well sucks to be you then, huh?

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CorrectAlias 56 points a month ago

Western Washington is one of the bluest areas in the country. Western Washington certainly didn't vote for this.

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Catoblepas 10 points a month ago

But how can bad thing happen if they didn’t deserve it??

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SPRUNTnsfw 3 points a month ago

And Eastern Washington is the state's Bible Belt.

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yakko 30 points a month ago

So anyone living in a country with a bad government is a bad person, provided there is some form of elections? That's your baby-brained dipshit take here?

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JeeBaiChow -13 points a month ago

Anyone living in a country that gives a right to choose their leaders and government, yet chooses to squander that right has no moral ground to complain about the outcome. Theyd be lucky if november actually happens. But sure. Blame the system. Who do you think put the system in place, in the firat place?

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fizzle -17 points a month ago

Kind of.

I don't think the term "bad person" is helpful in this context. No I don't think that everyone living in a country with a bad government is a bad person.

However, citizens of any country are accountable for the actions of their government.

For example, Australians of today are accountable for the human rights abuses perpetrated against First Australians even though we may not have been alive when that was occurring. I'm not a "bad person" because of it, but nor can I wash my hands of it.

Over the last 2 years I've developed a fairly deeply held frustration and anger at "Americans" due to the behavior of the Trump administration. The entire world is bearing the consequences of their shit decisions.

I acknowledge that no individual American is responsible for any of this, and many are opposed to the Trump administration. However, I'm still angry and frustrated at America generally and it's very difficult to separate that from my feelings toward an anonymous American I interact with in the fediverse.

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yakko 12 points a month ago

I get that. I live as an immigrant American in the UK, and it's very frustrating sometimes. I more get along with the people who hate America, but I'm used to seeing the light in their eyes die when they hear my accent the first time. I don't wash my hands of anything America has done, but I've done everything I practically can. I still vote, I stay informed, and I am depriving the regime of my taxable income.

I watch with great satisfaction when a leftist sets a cop car on fire, but I have a family to think about. I can't be doing those kinds of heroics, and the temptation to throw down was too great when I was living stateside. I have pacifist beliefs and ideals, but not pacifist emotions. I probably never will. Growing up has been a slow motion destruction of everything I was raised to think I was part of. I was raised in cosmopolitanism and intellectualism, only to learn that my country had abandoned those ideals decades before my birth (if they were ever sincerely held at all).

I do understand hating Americans, I'm the conflicted vampire-hunting daywalker of hating Americans. But even I try not to judge people purely by their governments, that would just be stupid. Imagine hating North Koreans or Russians, it's obviously wrong. What are they supposed to do, overthrow their governments? Their governments that are orders of magnitude weaker than the US government? See?

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NekoKoneko 3 points a month ago

I acknowledge that no individual American is responsible for any of this, and many are opposed to the Trump administration. However, I’m still angry and frustrated at America generally and it’s very difficult to separate that from my feelings toward an anonymous American I interact with in the fediverse.

You're doing critical self-examination unlike what some "America bad = all individual Americans bad" emotional onanists here do, and I appreciate that.

But further, there is no true moral defense for collective punishment, and all of that philosophical foundation applies to collective blame. For example, collective punishment violates both the Hague international legal principles and the Geneva Convention. It is contrary to Kantian ethics (and if you're using utilitarianism to justify depriving people of individual moral agency, then we have nothing to discuss). There is plenty more food for thought here: https://en.wikipedia.org/... .

Blame people who support and act in support of Trump. But don't blame people who oppose Trump and act in opposition to Trump. It's pretty easy to understand, morally-sound logic.

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Mr_WorldlyWiseman 2 points a month ago

"I am against world hunger."

There, all of the world's problems are solved.

Talk is cheap. Americans clearly haven't done enough to address Trump and/or the causes of Trump, or we wouldn't be here. Rigged prosecutors is just one symptom of that, and should be seen as a kick in the ass to do more.

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Wataba -21 points a month ago
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CorrectAlias 20 points a month ago

Ah yes, laughing at the lower class dying will surely teach the billionaires and millionaires a valuable lesson.

You do realize that's what you're doing, right? Laughing at the poor dying, the same thing that the polluting billionaires and millionaires in the US are doing?

Let me really spell it out for you: the polluters of the US (and world) are not the ones without A/C, and they're not the ones that will suffer from lack of food due to drought. No, they will just come to your country once they've extracted the resources in the US, and laugh at you dying. Just like they're doing to the lower class in the US.

Some of them have already moved. Hope you're ready, and not just laughing at people dying.

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Whostosay -1 points a month ago

You're not understanding. The right people are getting hurt.

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yakko 7 points a month ago

Alright, enjoy spiking that football. You were born someplace that doesn't need to stop existing, happy for you and your lack of empathy.

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Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

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  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
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We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

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