No ChatGPT for sexy time

3 months ago by FoxtrotDeltaTango to c/programmer_humor

Alexstarfire 70 points 3 months ago

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orca 65 points 3 months ago

Bender from Futurama telling Fry that he has metal fever because he’s in love with a robot

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Alexstarfire 49 points 3 months ago

Hypocrit

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DragonTypeWyvern 6 points 3 months ago

I think Bender would be rather proud of the label, honestly

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Avicenna 59 points 3 months ago

Declining birth rates has more to do with the fact that we live in a fucked up world. AI chatbot lovers is also probably a symptom of that. Not surprised goverments barking at the wrong tree though

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FishFace 33 points 3 months ago

Declining birth rates are multi faceted and no-one has a complete explanation. They're also declining in countries which are doing well, across all social strata but disproportionately along the wealthy, so your explanation is very clearly incomplete.

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JamesBoeing737MAX 22 points 3 months ago

The existence of condoms and women wanting normal life. Also the cost, time and money involved in creating a competent person.

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madcaesar 23 points 3 months ago

It's the cost. By far the biggest reason. People that don't want kids, don't want kids.

But many people do, but it's simply not financially reasonable.

Childcare, lack of days off and medical expenses are insane.

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vanillama 9 points 3 months ago

Part of it yeah, but the emancipation of women seems like a bigger factor, as women with less choices in poor families are more likely to have children despite the insane costs, and it isn't out of malice or misunderstanding either. And other factors are the stress and the general pessimism people have for the future, especially regarding climate change.

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technocrit 1 point 3 months ago

countries which are doing well,

lol phony metrics. the entire planet is burning.

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Avicenna -2 points 3 months ago

also declining in countries which are doing well, across all social strata

So when someone says "fucked up world" you imagine not country destroying wars, fascist presidents at the top of biggest countries and threat of a looming world war but how well someone's economic situation is? Interesting perspective.

Also I don't think anything I have said provides a simple explanation for declining birth rates. It simply suggests an ordering between AI chatbots and fucked up world as causes of declining birth rates. So your comment doesn't really apply.

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FishFace 14 points 3 months ago

Can you find the wars and election of Trump (for the first time) on these charts? Or anything to back up the view expressed in the original comment?

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Can you find any actual analysis which supports the view that the current drop in fertility is generally caused by sentiment about life? No? You're just going to lob useless comments like "Interesting perspective"? OK.

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ripcord 3 points 3 months ago

Can you find any actual analysis

Their analysis appears to be "because of the feels".

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Avicenna -3 points 3 months ago

it the current drop in fertility is generally caused by sentiment about life

Do you understand what an ordering is or what it means when someone says

drop in fertility has more to do with sentiment about life than AI chatbots

Does it mean sentiment about life is the only explanation? No

Does it mean sentiment about life is the major explanation? No

It does require to show that sentiment about life does in fact effect fertility rates and here they are:

https://popcouncil.org/...

https://www.niussp.org/...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8924345/

Yea yea we get it you are so great at thinking outside the box and every other comment made is just ideological populist shit. Grow up and learn to discuss stuff with people.

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ripcord 17 points 3 months ago

I don't think this tracks.

The countries with the highest fertility rates are some of the poorest, most fucked up, with the worst conditions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

Evolution of societal norms for all sorts of reasons seems to be a much bigger factor.

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CanadaPlus 9 points 3 months ago

It's contraceptives. It started dropping as soon as they became widely available, starting in the West, and never stopped. (The norms around family rearing certainly changed as well, in response)

People really like sex. Kids get a more mixed reception.

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borari 4 points 3 months ago path: 0 24907294 24909406 24920611 24931859, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
CanadaPlus 2 points 3 months ago

Yep, and that's probably through better access to and knowledge of contraception and other kinds of family planning. In really patriarchal societies men don't have to worry as much about the difficulty of raising a high number children. Or giving birth to them.

You can find anecdotes supporting that causation, although there's no hard data that I'm aware of.

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Avicenna 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah I am aware of this fact too. The effect of sentiments about life and economic level are I think interleaved in someways. Sentiments about life might have a bigger effect when you are in a certain economically comfortable zone that you can really start to think about how the future of the world will effect your life. In fucked up places, people just live day to day and are in survival mode. I believe I have once read something that goes along the lines of "poorer demographics generally have tendency to make more children because they think that more children is the most sure way to secure their near future for when they get older". Another possibility is that in a certain comfortable economic zone you have more time and opportunity to receive knowledge about what is going on in the world at large and therefore get psychologically affected by it more. In survival mode you don't have much other chance than really just thinking about day to day businesses.

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unglueclass23 2 points 3 months ago

In fucked up places, people just live day to day and are in survival mode. I believe I have once read something that goes along the lines of “poorer demographics generally have tendency to make more children because they think that more children is the most sure way to secure their near future for when they get older”

I think it's simpler than that. Nothing to do when you're poor and overworked so you just fuck. Oh, and less caring about the consequences.

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metallic_z3r0 2 points 3 months ago

I think it's because we've "solved boredom". Sometimes with heavy, hectic, stressful events that come one after the other, sometimes with passive media, or algorithmically generated media, or doomscrolling: shows, clips, or posts designed to engage or entertain, other times with little clicker, distraction-style games; all of it seems to just drain every last drop of dopamine anyone can muster until there's no room for anyone to have volition of their own. It tends to put a damper on the amount of time and energy one has for more longer meaningful interactions, and you end up almost, but not quite, completely content to microdose human interaction with single-serving friends by making comments on posts like this one (or the various parasocial interactions with internet micro-celebrities, or much worse, hallucinating a meaningful conversation with a statistically probable paragraph generator like the ones in the post).

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Hueristic_Autistic 1 point 3 months ago
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Ilovethebomb 35 points 3 months ago

I love how they think these losers would be getting laid if it wasn't for the chatbot.

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StillAlive 26 points 3 months ago

Hey don't lump us losers with those cogsuckers.

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Mutelogic 14 points 3 months ago

"Cogsuckers"!! Thanks for expanding my vocabulary!

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FreddiesLantern 1 point 3 months ago

Somehow I'm hearing that in a very cranky Carlin voice.

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ProbablyUnwise 1 point 3 months ago

no, most of them wouldn't. many of these people are Leftover Men, who have little to no chance of finding a partner if they're heterosexual. just a problem that comes from living in a country that had a one-child policy and a preference for sons.

I know it's comforting and easy to wrap yourself in ignorance and scorn, but perhaps in the future, you could find it within yourself to have a little empathy for a whole generation living in a soul crushing late stage capitalist economy who feel hopeless that they will ever get to have a family of their own.

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FreddiesLantern 24 points 3 months ago

Aside from birthrates... maybe not such a bad idea. Go out and learn how to talk to actual people and whatnot.

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piccolo 17 points 3 months ago

Have you seen people? No thanks.

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UninterestingVoid 15 points 3 months ago

AI is no better.

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lobut 3 points 3 months ago

You're telling me you wouldn't date mechahitler if given the chance? /s

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FreddiesLantern 9 points 3 months ago

Thing is, having people grow accustomed to the idea of romantic ai bots has very negative implications.

AI on it's own is already problematic, every clanker is a yes clanker, the erosion of common knowledge and perception, the polution,.... But with romance/erotica involved it's probably not too far fetched that there will be people who grow up into the idea that panties should drop just because you said hi. That's how we get incels and rapists.

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cosmos8188 2 points 3 months ago

Not really as simple as that, especially since the corporations and governments botch everything everywhere. There are of course other factors.

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FreddiesLantern 2 points 3 months ago

Did you mean to post this comment somewhere else? Not trying to be insulting but it just feels a little out of context.

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NikkiDimes 3 points 3 months ago

No you heard him, Uncle Sam is a cockblocking bastard!

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vanillama 2 points 3 months ago

They probably meant that they don't trust governments to implement policy like this well enough, but not sure.

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NigelFrobisher 23 points 3 months ago

Are they also going to go back in time to stop people aborting girl foetuses so there aren’t more men than women?

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db2 12 points 3 months ago

So China got their overpopulation under control in order for it to make sense to worry about declining birth rates?

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Humanius 20 points 3 months ago

The prospects for China are not looking particularly good. Decades of a one-child policy seems to have helped normalize one child per couple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

China has a fertility rate of 1.02 children per woman.
For comparison, in the US that rate is 1.62 children per woman and in Germany 1.46.

A "healthy" fertility rate, where the population remains more or less stable (not accounting for immigration), is roughly at 2.1 children per woman.

The West is going to have issues with their low birthrates, but the looming Chinese demographics crisis is looking to be much worse than what the West is going to be dealing with.

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AdolfSchmitler 1 point 3 months ago

I swear the next global superpower will be determined by whatever country has the least problems.

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AppleTea 3 points 3 months ago

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Amnesigenic 0 points 3 months ago

Yeah, looks like it

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Felis_Catus_Domesticus 6 points 3 months ago

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omniman 4 points 3 months ago

No 3d gf , no ai gf just hentai hentai hentai

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DragonTypeWyvern 3 points 3 months ago

Hentai is verboten Japanese Westernized cultural cancer, true cumrades would use 卡通漫画

Which means "sexy cartoon"

(I made that all up and copy and pasted the characters from the Internet so if it's wrong I don't care)

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MilkGolium 2 points 3 months ago

他们一向把人们当作小孩子来看待。例如血液不能是红色的,在CS2里面要设置成黑色。原因之一是缺乏“分级”,例如哪些内容适合小孩子看,哪些适合成人看。

生育率下降和楼主提到的AI内容几乎没有任何关系,纯粹是年轻人思想和过去不同了,以及手里确实没什么钱,经济状况不好。

信息闭塞的地方可能会认为越穷越应该生孩子,但是中国除了南方地区以外,这个观点并不流行。

They've always treated people like children. For example, blood can't be red; in CS2, it has to be set to black. One reason is the lack of "rating," such as what content is suitable for children and what is suitable for adults.

The declining birth rate has almost nothing to do with the AI content mentioned by the original poster; it's purely because young people's thinking has changed from the past, and they genuinely don't have much money, leading to a poor economic situation.

In places with limited access to information, there might be a belief that the poorer you are, the more children you should have, but this view is not prevalent in China except for the southern regions.

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technocrit 2 points 3 months ago

Authoritarians controlling your sex life for the sake of a fascist breeding program? Upvote!!!

smh.

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drmoose -1 points 3 months ago

If I had to date in China I'd be dating an AI bot too. It's still being mostly social status and matchmaker driven - it feels like 20th century. It's so sad.

That being said romantic AI chatbots are cancerous and while I'm very liberal here I do feel like as society we should look down on this. Maybe it's just a phase?

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rockerface -2 points 3 months ago

The chatbots in question developed where, again?

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technocrit 2 points 3 months ago

whoah... please leave your relevant facts outside the sinophobia festival.

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twopi 2 points 3 months ago

The US, hence the ban

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