CEO says COVID gave us bad habits, prescribes unemployment of 40-50%

3 years ago by riley0 to c/antiwork

Property developer and CEO Tim Gurner: "We need to see unemployment rise. Unemployment has to jump 40, 50 percent in my view. We need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around."

baggins 176 points 3 years ago

We need to see guillotining of CEOs jump 40-50%.

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ThwaitesAwaits 28 points 3 years ago

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Ertebolle 20 points 3 years ago

Adding 40% to 0 is still 0 - we need to add, like, a million %.

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captainlezbian 21 points 3 years ago

How about we start with one then try your idea

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bdonvr 7 points 3 years ago

I hate to break it to you, but 1,000,000*0 is still 0. And before you ask, yes so is 1,000,000,000*0

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Wiz 9 points 3 years ago

OK double it then

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roadside_yeti 132 points 3 years ago

Counterpoint: maybe he needs to learn that he'd be nothing without the backs of the workers for him to stand on.

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rockSlayer 89 points 3 years ago

Just want to clear the record and say that every business owner thinks this, it's just that this jackass has the stupidity to say it out loud. They don't want to pay more, which has become a necessity since the pandemic due to low unemployment rates. By having a larger labor pool, they can cut wages to take advantage of people's desperation.

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Nexz 0 points 3 years ago

Hi there, business owner here. I wouldn’t dare to think this about my employees as they drive our business forward. I’m also a huge proponent of working from home (1 day in the office is nice, but not mandatory). I also try to compensate them and cut them in on our profits - before I take my own cut mind you. Happy workers = better productivity.

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Kalkaline 76 points 3 years ago
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Uniquitous 6 points 3 years ago

Baseball bats are easier to explain. Just keep a glove and a baseball next to one in your backseat or trunk. "Yeah officer, I like to go play down at the park with my friends."

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deconstruct 73 points 3 years ago

This is the "Millenials eat too much avocado toast" guy. He lives on rage bait and generating headlines.

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shasta 20 points 3 years ago

Yeah I'm not giving this guy a second thought. He's just an idiot

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sigmaklimgrindset 15 points 3 years ago path: 0 3415544 3417523, hotness: undefined, score: 15, children: 0
Etterra 63 points 3 years ago

This is the guy that made the original avocado toast comment. He is prime eat the rich material of ever there was any.

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tastysnacks 6 points 3 years ago

This is the guy? Doesn't he know avocados grow on trees?

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MajorHavoc 55 points 3 years ago

I heard "Let them eat cake."

Both in the sense that this is a bullshit thing to say, and in the sense that this is the sort of thing that, if misquoted, could get innocent (at least of saying something like that) people hurt.

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Amputret 3 points 3 years ago

I hear it more as "Let them eat cock", there's no implication of naiveté in his statement, just malice.

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captainlezbian 48 points 3 years ago

He should see what we did to the czars and repeat himself.

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gbuttersnaps 45 points 3 years ago

For everyone saying "A 50% increase in unemployment would only take us from 3.8% to 5.7%, that's not bad" keep in mind that 37,000 people die for every 1% increase in unemployment. This man is essentially wishing for the deaths of 70,000 americans.

Edit: just realized he's probably talking about Australia from his accent. Not sure about the numbers for Australia on unemployment deaths, but I imagine the point should still stand.

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selokichtli 23 points 3 years ago

Yes, deaths, but also wishing for poverty and misery. What a humane soul.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 9 points 3 years ago

keep in mind that 37,000 people die for every 1% increase in unemployment. This man is essentially wishing for the deaths of 70,000 americans.

Wait really? How?

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gbuttersnaps 25 points 3 years ago

Economic instability has been found to increase overall mortality, infant deaths, fatalities from cardiovascular disease, cirrhosis, suicide, and homicide as well as morbidities, alcoholism and admissions to mental hospitals. M Harvey Brenner has publications studying the phenomenon going all the way back to the 50s if you're interested in the scientific literature.

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elbarto777 11 points 3 years ago
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ilikekeyboards 11 points 3 years ago

More people wishing to bash your head in for your wallet. Remember, just because you have it good in life it doesn't matter if everyone else is in misery, suffering

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BreakDecks -10 points 3 years ago

37,000 people die for every 1% increase in unemployment

This is a made up figure from the movie The Big Short, it isn't an actual figure, lmao.

Also, this is about Australia.

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gbuttersnaps 16 points 3 years ago

No, the number comes from a macroeconomics text book written by Gregory Mankiw and its based on research by Harvey Brennan studying the correlation since the 1950s.

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Rocketpoweredgorilla 44 points 3 years ago

We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around

This angers me. If it wasn't for employees many employers be living in a box under the turnpike, because shit doesn't get done by wishful thinking alone.

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RubiksIsocahedron 8 points 3 years ago
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Rocketpoweredgorilla 11 points 3 years ago

That's what gets me, this guy has such a one-sided opinion that he can't even realize his workers are the ones literally making him his money. No workers, no money coming in.

"They should be grateful to have a job." Yup, and he should be just as grateful anyone is willing to work for him, because without them he goes nowhere.

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Salvo 3 points 3 years ago

He does not understand economics.

He is a “Property Developer”. In his “perfect world” of employees working 16 hour days and not getting paid, that also means that half of the rental homes do not have tenants, half of small businesses in shopping centres don’t have customers and half of all his “Developed Properties” are empty.

He is just a Fuckwit who was given a silver spoon and doesn’t actually comprehend how reality works.

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mp3 44 points 3 years ago

We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around.

Employment is a mutually-beneficial agreement. I pity whoever has that CEO as a boss that thinks so lowly of their subordinates. We need to remind employers that they also depend on their employees.

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quams69 38 points 3 years ago

Holy shit what an actual psychopath

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Twentytwodividedby7 36 points 3 years ago

Not agreeing with the sentiment, but your title is wrong, OP. He didn't say unemployment should be 40-50%. He said it should increase by 40-50%, which equates to a move from 3.8% to 5.7%

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xkforce 16 points 3 years ago

Can we start with the CEOs?

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IndefiniteBen 3 points 3 years ago

About 40-50% culling of management would hopefully lead to a more sustainable system.

Their relentless hunt for profits is damaging every ecosystem they enter.

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Tischkante 34 points 3 years ago

This goes right into my spreadsheet of examples how winning at capitalism does not require much intelligence or foresight. In fact, too much of either hurts your chances.

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FooBarrington 16 points 3 years ago

All it requires is an incredible amount of egocentrism and a dash of psychopathy.

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agertudici 21 points 3 years ago
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cjo 32 points 3 years ago

Keep in mind that “jump 40-50%” is not the same as “unemployment at 40-50%”…your headline is sensationalist (or just a misunderstanding of the numbers). This guy’s take is still absurd, regardless.

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Maeve 10 points 3 years ago

Absurdly evil af.

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JJROKCZ 6 points 3 years ago

Right? A 50% increase of current levels puts at like 5% which is not crazy still

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JJROKCZ 0 points 3 years ago
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dylanmorgan 31 points 3 years ago

He needs to see pain in his life.

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Feathercrown 30 points 3 years ago

Does he really not understand that employers make their money from their employees?

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foo 15 points 3 years ago

He got his start with a loan from his grandfather and with extensive support from his boss

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VentraSqwal 10 points 3 years ago

No, you see, employers just give employees jobs out of the goodness of their hearts. And that's why we need to worship them. All hail the "job creators", who don't at all lay off thousands and thousands of their employees the second they're no longer needed (like we've seen happen in tech tons this year).

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Grayox 30 points 3 years ago

Tim is literally a freeloader making money off of other people's labor... scum. . .

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foo 10 points 3 years ago

He isn't even self made. His grandfather gave him a loan and his boss supported him in his initial start

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ComradePorkRoll 4 points 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure even Adam fucking Smith would think he's a bastard.

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Plibbert 23 points 3 years ago

So like, how would one go about trying to figure out where this guy lives?

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AngryCommieKender 2 points 3 years ago

He's an Australian real estate billionaire, so find Mick Dundee? I dunno how to hunt someone down in "the land that wants to kill you."

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5in1k 21 points 3 years ago

If I see this fuckwit in the street I’m laying him out.

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Kage520 21 points 3 years ago

So I guess that means corporations are actually hoping for a recession so they can "tighten the belt" and fire some workers and the remaining ones will work extra hard to make up the difference. Again.

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redtea 2 points 3 years ago

And swoop in to buy all the assets of soon-to-be bankrupt small-business owners. Big capital does not give a single fuck about who it cannibalises and it will come for those who sing the praises of capitalism as much as those who hate it.

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PixelProf 16 points 3 years ago

The beatings will continue until morale productivity improves.

Edit: Sorry, morale is irrelevant.

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cantstopthesignal 14 points 3 years ago

He is free to stop hiring if he thinks that way. If unemployment jumps it's because business is in the shitter.

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natecox 11 points 3 years ago
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Szymon 11 points 3 years ago

Who's taking bets on how long until this guy's head is left in a box for another billionaire to open?

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Spaghetti_Hitchens 5 points 3 years ago

What's in the box, Elon?

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Pulptastic 11 points 3 years ago

A 1% increase is associated with 37000 additional deaths. 40% unemployment would be classicide.

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AdolfSchmitler 14 points 3 years ago

Not to defend this PoS but I think he means a 40% increase to unemployment, as in if unemployment is at 10% he thinks it should be 14%.

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Sconrad122 13 points 3 years ago

US unemployment rate is 3.8% as of August, so this guy is calling for roughly 70k people to die so that he can get back to his power fantasy and his pesky employees will stop having uncomfortable conversations with him about petty grievances like "feeding their families" and "keeping a roof over their head"

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Andjhostet 11 points 3 years ago

Counterpoint: Guillotines

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ThwaitesAwaits 4 points 3 years ago

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Salvo 10 points 3 years ago

He is a fucking Property Developer. That is the definition of someone who doesn’t actually do any real work.

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echodot 9 points 3 years ago

I don't know what parallel universe this idiot is living in but nothing has changed over here. People know they work for an employer, we sure as hell know the employer doesn't give a rat's arse about their employees, we'd like them to, but we know they don't.

What's he on about?

Anyway he's a property developer so I think that perhaps his opinion is somewhat biased, and therefore should be ignored.

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jaiden 9 points 3 years ago

No, that's completely wrong.

He said it should go UP by 40-50% ie about 6% - which is still low by Australian standards.

Unemployment averaged 8% in the 1980s and 10% in the 1990s.

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skellener 8 points 3 years ago

Or maybe it’s really just time to eat the rich?

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Kichae 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah, let's see how many of these guys survive when unemployment is at 50% and people are starving and desperate.

"Eat the rich" will become a much more literal rallying cry.

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Endorkend 5 points 3 years ago

While the guy is an asshole, your title is grade A bullshit and a warping of his actual words.

He said a jump of 40-50%, meaning that if there's 5% unemployment, he wants to push it to 7,5%.

His whole talk is horrible and disgusting enough without you misrepresenting it.

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cloudy1999 1 point 3 years ago

The math here is good point to be aware of and as stated doesn't preclude that the guy is an asshole for wanting to put even a small percentage of people out of work just so he can raise his assholery to tyrannical proportions. Increasing human suffering to teach people who want to have a better life a lesson. What a cartoon villain.

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Drusas 1 point 3 years ago
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jdf038 4 points 3 years ago

Wow that guy looks like a creep

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Uniquitous 3 points 3 years ago

Big Fight Club moment.

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redtea 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 3447759, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
artisanrox 1 point 3 years ago

He'd go well with some rosé wine and sauteéd onions on the side.

🧐🍽🍴🔪

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K1nsey6 0 points 3 years ago

The Fed and the federal government will give him exactly what he wants.

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