US Cities Cancel 50+ Flock Surveillance Contracts Amid Public Backlash
11 days ago by FoxtrotDeltaTango to c/technology
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/50445196
lets hope the awareness of axon picking up as much as flock.
We need to switch to being vocally anti ALPR and mass surveillance
"No mass surveillance." I'd suggest the alliteration of "cop cameras" but non-ai bodycams are good, or they would be if cops weren't able to fuck with them
I saw an article about trash trucks putting cameras on them for one of these surveillance companies. Giant fleets of trucks with cameras mounted 15ft high able to see over fences
TBF we already have hugely invasive surveillance, at least here in the UK. Successive governments have cut policing and invested in cameras instead. It hasn't made us safer, but we kind of got boiled-frogged into living in a panopticon. There was a bit of negative publicity recently about use of facial recognition at choke-points like major public transport hubs - but it never really went anywhere. Make people feel scared and they will give up their rights for the illusion of security.
"What are we, a bunch of YANKEES?"
One camera isnt the problem.
A whole network of cameras tracking your every move, logged in a national database that doesn't require a warrant or oversight is.
Police require a warrant to get your phones location data, but they don't require one to ask Flock for your every move. This has already been abused hundreds of times by police and city employees to stalk their ex partners and more..
Unless they're Intel.
Flock effectively follows you around like a stalker.
If I was to follow you around all day, recording everything you do (even if I just stay in public spaces), I would be guilty of harassment and potentially criminal stalking. Flock does the same thing, just via a network of cameras instead of literally following you in person.
There are tons of public cameras, but they're owned by seprate individuals/companies. You'd be required to get permission from each ones owner to collect their footage, which in itself provides saftey against stalkers. The owners of that footage are in no way obligated to provide it and will likely refuse without being given a good reason. They may even still refuse until provided with a court order. That oversight, from both the footage owners and the courts that order it to be handed over, protects people from unlawful harassment, particularly stalkers.
The fact that Flock provides anyone with a badge/title the ability to freely search a massive database for every public location a person has been, what they were wearing, how they walk, what bluetooth devices they had, their mode of transport (plus every detail about it Flock can extract), facial recognition data, and more - is terrifying. 0 oversight: no warrant, no reasonable suspicion, no evidence of a crime; just following you around hoping to catch you doing something they don't like (regardless of whether it's illegal activity or not).
If you haven't yet, you should really read that article I posted above.
A single search query recruits that entire network as a passive tracking apparatus. An officer who sets a specific plate on a "hot list" receives an automatic alert whenever that vehicle appears anywhere in the system — across city limits, across state lines, across jurisdictions the officer has no authority in. The abuser does not need to be present. The cameras do the watching for him.
so you are ok with the police officers who used Flock to stalk and rape people.
Got it. when you are a victim of Flock and get raped/killed by a stalker who used Flock. I'll remember to point out that you were ok with Flock before you were personally affected. typical fucking Republican... you don't give a shit until it affects you.
Your presumptions aren't helpful in the slightest. Educate, don't enflame.
Being unaware of the ramifications is not even remotely the same as being ok with them.
being unaware in an age of information is like being ignorant of the law. you can still be convicted of a crime even if you didn't know it was a crime.
and flock's lawsuits are both public information and in the fucking news.
at this point you have to be a filthy maga pedophile watching fox news, in a coma and just woke up yesterday, or dead.
dumbass either is willfully ignorant or a filthy supporter who got caught out and doesn't want to be harassed.
But that is the reality of the situation
then why support letting a private company track everyone and anyone while handing that information over to cops without a warrant... letting hundreds of cops stalk and rape people?
Cities Are Ditching Flock, Immediately Replacing It With Axon License Plate Readers
Soon they will start spinning up the corporate owned media to manufacture the appearance of support for having the cameras. Which city councils can then cite when they start the contracts again and accept their bribes.
I was debating someone about this. I said we need for of the pole cutting and destruction while the other person said that's not okay and we need to go through proper channels. I said we tried and were shut down. Glad to see I was right.
Not enough
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Watch out for them immediately contracting with Axon instead, which is just as bad.
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