context: lead dev was caught grooming children a few years ago and was kicked off the project. the new lead dev now got caught for the same thing and the whole community imploded and the remaining devs decided t axe the project
Have you seen kids? Theyre begging for it!
Hard, heavy /s
It's ok to not be sarcastic about some things
It's ok to be sarcastic about anything. Guess what, it's called freedom of speech. https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/...
Nobody's censoring you dude, criticism of your speech is also free speech
Yeah dumbass, it's also freedom to be criticized for saying stupid shit. Talk about missing the forest through the trees.
If the best argument you can bring for your point is that it is literally not forbidden to say it, maybe do everybody else a favour and just shut up.
Freedom of speech is important, but not a good argument enhancer.
In this example, the allegations here stem from inappropriate contact with minors in the age range of 15 to 17 years in a NSFW Discord server.
The problem is that in cases such as this, they’re not children so much as not yet adults. “Teenagers” used to be the common parlance for this age group and they are particularly interested in sexuality, while not having the cognitive tools or maturity to recognize or protect themselves from actual adults that will sexually abuse them.
The major issue in conflating “children” with “teenagers” is that these are distinct developmental periods in which the latter will literally beg for sex from adults who should not be involved in it with them. This is why we moderate and protect the sexuality of this age group - to mitigate the bad decisions that result from an intensely hormonal developmental period paired with increased cognitive and social liberty.
Teenagers are horny, and as such they need additional protections from people like groomy 20-something game devs. But infantilization that seeks to erase teenage sexuality and autonomy does nothing to protect them.
Hard, heavy /s
That's what she said
!she being the little girl!<
!hard, heavy /s!<
A certain unknowable % of the population is afflicted with pedophilia.
If you give a random person enough power (money/authority/prestige/etc.) to take advantage of children, there is approximately that same % chance of them exploiting that power, minus whatever fear they have of consequences.
Parents, please monitor your children's social media. If you're too busy, don't let them be on social media. They might face a bit of social stigma for not being on the latest brainrot app, but it's better than them being in the DMs of their favorite video game creators.
there is approximately that same % chance of them exploiting that power
I think that's a partially false equivalence. Acting on those feelings would require that you be OK with harming another person, and a child, no less. Most people aren't. The overlap comes from the fact that the rich and powerful often are, because that's how they got rich a powerful.
But the same way a normal person can be attracted to adults, but have no desire to rape, most pedofiles will have no desire to hurt anyone. (That, not the law, is why I think it's so rare).
Not hurting anyone and respecting consent is the easiest thing ever. Have you ever be so horny you'd fail at those things? I haven't. And I am a VERY horny person.
Nothing about pedofilia changes that part of how human self-determination works.
You only get the worst of the worst when the type of person that would rape, overlaps with pedofilia. The ones that act on it, DO choose. They are the literal worst among us.
them being in the DMs of their favorite video game creators.
THE most dangerous part of Roblox. The child dev studios led by adults are fucking horrifying. "Developers" becoming well-known Roblox game creators has given credibility to some absolutely horrible people to be around kids in ways that should never have been allowed.
And Roblox basically enables it with their Roblox -> Private Discord integration.
Because these child-labour powered "dev studios" is how they get their freaking games!
Also, many child molesters aren't even specifically attracted to children. These types commit their crimes because children can be easier targets than adults at times.
Yeah I admit my comment didn't get into the nuance of "pedophile" versus "child sex predator" and thus has gaps to fill, but one can only spend so much time on the internet.
Plus I'm used to Reddit (and other, more normie spaces) where making that distinction tends to bring on pedophile accusations.
IIRC the majority of child molesters are non-pedophilic in the clinical sense and I'd imagine this is even more true for post-pubescent minors. Additionally there have been neurological findings that differentiate offending vs non-offending pedophiles, mostly to do with risk-taking behaviors (as in, pedophiles that are generally risk-avoidant are also less likely to offend). So just being a pedophile might not be as strong of a prognostic factor for predicting abuse as one would think.
Yeah I admit my comment didn't get into the nuance of "pedophile" versus "child sex predator" and thus has gaps to fill, but one can only spend so much time on the internet.
I mean the Epstein class made sure the CIA and G7 only captured child rapists below a certain income.
I suspect the exclusivity is part of why they enjoy it. See POTUS's handwritten letter to Epstein on his birthday.
The Epstein class would much rather stay out of the reach of the law even if it means some of their cohorts get away with rape.
I bet thats why Elon Musk was so angry. He wasn’t exclusive enough to be a part of the Epstein class so he’s making up for it by supporting Trump.
The same %
It goes up with money and power. Why else is literally every single billionaire a pedophile?
Hasnt the minecraft-type community (and i'd consider terraria a minecraft-type game. 2d, side scroller, and arcadey yes, but still a minecraft-type) always had a problem with people being creepy towards kids?
Has it? Genuine question here. I feel like you cant make that kind of statement without backing it with some kind of evidence.
I'm not the original guy you asked and I'm not presenting any genuine evidence, but it isn't so much that the games are causing groomers to appear because they lack community guidelines or terms of service or are outwardly open to letting anyone play. No, it's more so that these games are insanely popular among children and the pedos are chasing after the kids wherever they happen to coalesce. It could be Minecraft or Roblox, it could even be something like TF2 or Quake or even Microsoft Flight Simulator. The game itself doesn't matter, what matters is that they're on the prowl for kids and will follow them wherever they go and try to talk to them however they can
Terraria isn't really a community type game. It's way different than what minecraft became, or Roblox.
Regardless. You're taking my quip about all the pedo politicians too seriously.
Pedophiles should just kill themselves before killing cool projects like this.
Or raping kids I guess.
Pedophiles are a minority of the child rapers, so that's a stupid statement.
Just read the DSM-V before commenting such bullshit.
wait what? I am aware that most pedos do not offend, but this is the first time Im hearing that most offenders are not pedos.
Yeah, it's weird. AFAIK, it's apparently because most offenders just want to feel powerful even if they don't feel attracted to their victims.
There's a clause in that. Learn english before responding to comments written in English.
Oh, I'm so sorry, I just reread it and realized I misunderstood what you said.
I noticed that I isolated the first part of your comment and overlooked the subordinating conditional clause below it, which led me to commit a straw man fallacy driven by a selection bias.
That said, I have to point out that your initial statement still relied on a composition and a generalization fallacy —even though you didn't explicitly claim that all pedophiles are offenders— by stating in a blanket way that all pedophiles should kill themselves due to the actions of a minority of them.
I think this mutual oversight was the root of the misunderstanding, and again, I apologize for my part in it.
I hope this helps both of us have better interactions in the future.
I recommend you listen to this This American Life episode: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/...
It may give you some perspective
Like 3rd developer getting outed from grooming. Reading 262 pages was bad enough now we have this mess
The idea of supporting a mod for ten years seems a bit wild to me. Back in my day, people just released mods when they were done and that was that.
Anyway.. it's not like the mod is going anywhere. Presumably you can play in its current state into perpetuity
Future updates to Terraria will break the mod. The mod was also not finished from what I understand. It has been adding content for those 10 years.
If you say so.
Strange how triple-slop games and idies do the opposite. The first promises years of content and can the project after barely a year, and the second promises stopping creating new content only to release a surprise new content patch out of nowhere 😆.
I can't speak to Terraria specifically, but just with most games in general?
An actual bugfix often means you changed the underlying guts of some system, some system that had appeared to work, but actually, had a fundamental flaw, even if minor.
With that kind of a fix... well, often mods essentially work by creating their own uses of, or work-arounds for the old buggy system.
So, when that system is reworked, to remove the bug... well now some of the guts of the mod may need to be reworked as well.
An extreme example of this would be the FO4 'update'.
Not really much in the way of new content... but they reworked a bunch of the guts. Which broke just most mods that did anything beyond something entirely simplistic and superficial.
I'm not too surprised really. modding old games and the mod pack takes literal decades to finish. for example red alert 2, tiberium sun, CNC generals (and zero hour) just for the ones that interest me.
bugs exists. modders fix bugs. especially so for games that are still getting updates, even one as scarcely updated as Terraria. I recall some long time ago the Terraria devs said the game is "finished" and then later on some big anniversary year they released a surprise update. my memory is faulty so don't quote me
Tbf, there are mods that have just kept on getting more and more features and content added to them, and/or took a stupid amount of time to get to basically v1.0.
Black Mesa Source, the HL1 remake in HL2 engine... pretty sure that took a decade, was originally a mod.
Yes, by far most mods for most games are more... hah, 'modular', and tend to be basically just a single or few releases, but there are much more expansive mods of much larger scope, for many different games.
Basically, most 'total conversion' mods tend to be more like that... years of development toward a kind of end goal state, because they are basically making an entirely or massively different game, based on whatever particular original game.
That being said, I mean this just broadly for pc game mods. I don't play Terraria much, never even heard of this mod till this post/article.
That's some teacher of defense against dark arts curse shit.
The allegations stem from alleged interactions Ozzatron had with teenage minors in a NSFW Discord server. The project lacks the resources to handle requests for removal of contributor content.
The fallout came fast, as composer CD Music resigned, the Catalyst side-project got shelved, and planned content like Sunken Sea never surfaced. Then, Contributors started requesting their work be pulled from the mod entirely, and since Calamity no longer has enough developers to process each request, ending development became, as the team put it, “the closest thing we can do to fulfilling everybody’s requests.”
Ozzatron, meanwhile, holds sole ownership of the mod’s GitHub, and he’s reportedly gone quiet since, which leaves the project’s future genuinely uncertain.
Probably an editor there with a "troubled past".
:(
Terraria is one of my favorites and I haven't had a chance to play Calamity. RetroAchevements had, remarkably, added support for the base game and I think there were hopes for set support of this and any other big mods (tracking completion, doing additional challenges, etc). I'm sure this puts some damper on those efforts.
I'll have up make do with just trying to finish the Completionist set if the craving hits again (it's insane, every item in the game must be collected!)
Wait, so two subsequent lead developers got caught allegedly doing illegal stuff (with actual evidence and matching police reports I am assuming, because I won't read the article on that site), so now everyone else who liked the mod or worked on it are being punished for it?
Just get a new lead developer from the other developers already working on the mod and carry on. Its not the mod's fault the former lead devs did what they allegedly (I can only assume since I have not seen any evidence) did.
That's what they did the previous time. Dude was a pedo. Again.
I don't really blame them.
assuming there are police reports is being way to generous to the fools that engage in witch hunts.
if there are any it isn't mentioned anywhere on the article.
Idk, but I hate the inability of many people to separate the author from the work.
I'll copy-paste because I essentially got the same response before 😅
Yeah, but piracy exists. If it didn't existed, I wouldn't consume those works either, I can give you that point, but you can simply pirate.
And yeah, I understand all about the bad taste, it happened with two musicians I liked a lot that were groomers and all that, and another 9ne that sexually abused a partner of him, and now I can't hear their songs because I feel uncomfortable. It's ok and normal. The whole point is that it's still personal and I won't be policing anyone who still listens to them, and I still listen other artists that did such things because I didn't felt such a emotional connection with these.
Tbh, I'll admit that I focused it wrong, the thing I actually hate are those moral policers and SJW that cancel people like a sport.
It sounds like somebody told you "piracy fails to support artists" and you took the wrong thing away from that.
Edit: oh it's in this thread whoops. I don't think you're addressing what the comment to whom you're replying is saying.
Yeah, I think I should have been more specific.
It depends. If the consumtion of some form of media benefits the artist/author/whatever monetarily, I won't consume your work anymore. For example: Rammstein, since I don't have any CDs and only use Tidal for streaming.
If, on the other hand, I already own your work I don't see why I wouldn't continue. For example: Harry Potter books I already own.
Sometimes the things the artist/author etc. did are leaving such a mark on his/her work, that I just can't consume it anymore without it leaving a bad taste, so I won't.
Yeah, but piracy exists. If it didn't existed, I wouldn't consume those works either, I can give you that point, but you can simply pirate.
And yeah, I understand all about the bad taste, it happened with two musicians I liked a lot that were groomers and all that, and another 9ne that sexually abused a partner of him, and now I can't hear their songs because I feel uncomfortable. It's ok and normal. The whole point is that it's still personal and I won't be policing anyone who still listens to them, and I still listen other artists that did such things because I didn't felt such a emotional connection with these.
Tbh, I'll admit that I focused it wrong, the thing I actually hate are those moral policers and SJW that cancel people like a sport.
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