Look I'm not saying Dems are awesome, in fact I would say when it comes to foreign policy them and Republicans are pretty aligned. Behaving like there hasn't been huge differences in policy, legislation, enforcement priorities, regulation, education and healthcare spending between Democratic and Republican majorities in Congress and/or President is insane though. Like just head in the sand ignoring reality levels of crazy.

No no, Pepsi and Coke is an amazing analogy. Red vs. Blue, hundreds of years of brand loyalty, people say shit like "we're a Pepsi household", both are really not good for you. Only meaningful difference is the color on the label.

Comparing McDonald's to Burgerking is just crazy talk because everyone I've ever met will agree that Burger King sucks. But start them on Pepsi VS. Coke? You might start a fight.

Kamala? The candidate picked by Biden and no one else had the same views as Biden? Wow!

• Both bomb kids
• Both support genocide
• Both support imperialism and colonialism
• Both screw over the working class to help out their rich friends
• Both openly lie about how they are going to fix things
• Both leverage military and intelligence agencies against their own citizens

The problem I have is when someone reduces the parties down to their stances on one single issue.

The "foreign child crusher" in this comic is doing a lot of heavy lifting, for a lot other problems.

The parties have been reduced down to their stance on this one issue because they can't even differ there. They both suck on all issues, but a lot of people would still vote for democrats if they could just not commit overt genocide.

The meme didn't say they were the same, they said they both crush children. People gotta come with a list before it's okay? Not great for memes.

(It's not just Palestinian children either btw)

I’m not a liberal, I’m a leftist

"I don't agree with Hitler on the death camps, but that's just one issue, obviously I still support him!"

My favourite is when they talk about genocide in Palestine like it's a bipartisan FOOTNOTE and act smug about it. Even had one in this very thread.

I hope you're talking about their comment and not mine, because the post is literally about the child crushing machine.

No it isn't, you fucking idiot

Whataboutism isn't what that is, but whataboutism is also just a term made up by a zionist and then propagated by the CIA in order to stop people like you from thinking about things.

Both of them lead to you getting put in the machine.

And next time it'll be two AND you or two AND you AND your mom, have you noticed the pattern yet?

If you are saying this unironically you need to open a history book and look outside your bubble. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, Haiti, former Yugoslavia, Sudan, Gaza, Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Somalia and many many more attacked and or destroyed under democrats.

Republicans like to start wars.

Compared to Democrats? How? Libya, Syria and Yemen were attacked under a Democratic president. In fact, Kamala said that Iran is the greatest threat in the world.

Or better yet, the escalation of the genocide under Joe Biden? The genocidal monster who loves "Israel" so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM

Turns out, outside of Amerika; there is in fact not a single fucking difference between these 2 parties. All you care about is domestic affair concerning your treats. You don't give a fuck about people outside your area.

Ugh. This whole argument again. No friendo, what I did is not equivalent to what they did. What I did was spend the time to spread the information that helps my case that electoralism is a failure and that we must move beyond it. I provided evidence that most electoralists need to see so that they too can abandon the electoral path and join the rest of us in tearing it down.

What my opponent is doing is moralizing to try to get people to vote correctly and every character they write is in the service of this. I never said writing is bad. I said spending energy on convincing people of the electoral path is bad. Spending energy on convincing people against the electoral path is good.

You are repeating the same hollow rhetoric that if I disagree with the US fighting wars then I should disagree with Iran fighting wars, or that if I disagree with the master beating slaves then I should disagree with slaves beating the master.

"Heh, you claim my praxis is useless at best yet you use words to do it. Hypocrite much?"

Okay, you're getting defensive in a way that's kind of silly here

It’s a little wild to tell someone they should spend this energy doing something about it instead of writing

That's not what freagle said though. The argument wasn't that jjj shouldn't write or that they shouldn't try to influence people, the argument was that they shouldn't be wasting their time and energy trying to influence people to vote because voting is ultimately useless. Freagle never said that trying to influence people period is a waste. So no, what they said did not ring hollow and there was no hypocrisy in writing a long a comment explaining why it is a waste to try to get people to vote or to vote a certain way.

You either didn't understand or deliberately mischaracterized what freagle was actually saying so you can't claim it was just constructive criticism.

Game theory only works if you assign your values correctly.

Obama/Biden changed the policies, budget, headcount, and leaderships of DHS and ICE. They explicitly made it possible for ICE to be deployed in US cities. They appointed Tom Homan to lead it. They deported 3M people. Trump used the framework Obama/Biden put in place. He made Tom Homan his deportation czar in term 1. Biden took office next and did literally nothing to stop any of this from happening except for the fact that he chose not to use ICE the way it was able to be used, knowing full well what would happen on the next swing. Trump started term 2, brought Tom Homan back.

Numbers? Obama deported 3M. Biden deported 4.4M Trump has deported slightly less than 1M in term 1 and about the same number in this term so far. He might be on track to match Biden/Harris.

Obama declared Venezuela a national security threat just to impose more collective punishment on the citizens there. Obama/Clinton destroyed the country of Libya. Clinton literally said she laughed watching the video of the murder of 80-year-old Gaddafi when he was videotaped being sodomized by a bayonet.

You're a fool if you think one party kills fewer orphans.

US economic sanctions are a bi-partisan consensus and they kill more children than wars do. Averaging 800k deaths per year, every year, for 50 years, without abatement. The Democrats every ounce as responsible as the Republicans. And of those 800k deaths, the most impacted are children, the sick, and the elderly.

It was Truman that saved 10k Nazis from facing trial, Truman that nuked Japan twice, Truman that oversaw the mass murder of 10% of the population in the Northern half of Korea, Truman that supported the fascist dictatorship in the Southern half of Korea that killed 100k civilians in political purges, and Truman who propped up Chiang Kai-Shek while he was fascist dictator in Taiwan and killed or disappeared 10k+ civilians in political purges.

It was LBJ who saw the most heinous crimes committed against Vietnam, building on what JFK had started. It was LBJ who oversee the mass use of Agent Orange and napalm against civilians in Vietnam while the Vietnamese were fighting to expel their colonial oppressors. My Lai, Rolling Thunder, and "free fire" were all LBJ. It was LBJ that decided to make Laos a target and bumb their civilian infrastructure to stop the supply chains feeding the Vietnamese freedom fighters. It was LBJ that oversaw the US leadership of the Indonesian military dictatorship that killed a million people in political purges. It was LBJ who sent Marines to the Dominican Republic to ensure that the democratically elected president did not take his seat and installed a right-wing authoritarian.

Clinton: Yugoslavia, neoliberal destruction of Haiti's agriculture, corrupt vulture capitalism of post-earthquake Haiti, Bill and Hillary with black house slaves in the Arkansas governor's mansion, "superpredator" lies and the Crime Bill, blocking UN intervention in Rwanda, undoing the New Deal, undoing the financial protections that crashed the US economy in the 1920s which literally setup the exact mechanisms for the 2008 crisis.

You're falling for the PR. The Democrats and the Republicans are collaborators. They are the good cop and the bad cop. They both work for the same department. You are convinced that the good cop is someone you should support. You think the good cop is somehow going to lead to better outcomes. You are wrong. And you need to stop trying to convince everyone else to go with the good cop. You need to join the group of people who have refused to support the good cop because they understand the game.

If you want better outcomes just look for the historical examples. Women's Suffrage? Didn't happen by voting. Civil Rights? Didn't happen by voting. Gay rights? Didn't happen by voting.

You are actively wasting your time fighting with people on the internet about this when you could be doing literally anything else to work on dismantling the orphan crushing machine. And no, you're wrong that Republicans turn on more machines. They don't. They use the exact same machine that the Democrats use. They built it together. They maintain it together. It's a single machine.

Where does it end tho?

When do the machines get dismantled if it has to be perfect before it's done?

The lesser evil people have no plans to do it. People are told they aren't supposed to bring up the machines because that might mean it's more likely that even more machines are brought online.

How many dem governments have those machines survived?

There is no viable alternative, and your choices are the big evil or the little evil. You can either vote for the little evil or accept the big evil!

There is a viable alternative, it's called organizing and overthrowing your damn government.

You're right there's only two parties in the us and you have to vote for one of them, otherwise you get shot. And thats the only things that are possible for you to do.
Guess we just have to walk down this road until the lesser evil party is also goose-stepping on your neck and then I gotta walk all alone. I'll walk by the cage in which they keep you and tell you I am real sad about it, but I had to do it because the other party was less cordial. Then ill go have brunch with whoevers left in the electoral hellscape we have created by inchworming towards a completely avoidable Armageddon if we had only had spine. But we dont, we've got mimosas instead.

You fed the little evil for decades until it grew big enough to eclipse humanity's future.

Why even tolerate that kind of system? At that point, burn it all down.

Guess what, both of these choices still kill people outside your country. And Trump, being incompetent as he is, is actually making the system collapse which is in fact a huge benefit to the rest of the world (and the rest of the world's population is fucking substantially more than Amerika)

"Both sides" its the same side dumbass.

Nuance my ass. Nuance in politics when mentioned by fool like you is akin to people screaming "let people enjoy things!" when someone dares say their Marvel slop sucks.
You rigidly support the democrats no matter what and you screech at any critique, no matter how correct. Yeah, seems real nuanced.

Nuance isn't just when you support genocide, but feel kinda bad about it. Nuance definitely isn't when you reduce the modern capitalist oligarchy into a binary, with no other options. Real nuance is a discussion of abstaining from voting vs. Voting third party.

Are you talking about the one who said that trans people should "follow the law" when asked about their persecution? The one from the party that concluded it had to be less woke to win elections, after eating shit again? The one who has a long track record of doing nothing, at best, for trans people? The one who did nothing to defend roe v. Wade? That one? Yeah, what a great idea, surely signalling that you are completely fine with being thrown under the bus and persecuted (as long as there's a guy with a combover opposing them) will not at all come back to bite you in the ass. How's the poem go?

First they put children in tiny cages, but I didnt care because it was Obama who did it and besides I'm still sitting nifty, so who gives a shit.
Then they bombed trans people, but they were brown, so I'm still sitting pretty.
And thats it, im hunky dory.

Like the right not to be subject to genocide and apartheid? Oh wait, I forgot that you don't consider non-white people human.

I've not seen either of them do that. The best we've gotten is them pretending to support trans rights, then immediately backing down when they have the power to do something about it.

Who's that?

Is there more than two parties in the US?

Are you? Can you at least try to be a little articulate? Or is that beyond your obviously limited capabilities?

It doesn't need my sense of legitimacy but if 80% of people say no it will have a problem justifying itself.

A system only really functions as long as it's subjects perceive it as legitimate. Once you lose legitimacy, people start taking action.

Oh, whoops. He was independent, supported by every liberal party including the socdems. Point still stands, though: lesser evil was voted in over greater evil, changing nothing and leading to Hitler anyhow. Oversimplification of history obv; corporate lobbying, false flag operations to blame the communists and the death of the president etc followed.