Greta Thunberg calls for boycott of Apple for their 2nd largest worldwide R&D center in 'Israel'

a month ago by geneva_convenience to c/palestine

NewDark 74 points a month ago

Greta is one of the coolest people in the world right now istg

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SocialistVibes01 17 points a month ago

Peter Thiel puts her in a sort of deity tier.

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dan69 2 points a month ago
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flandish 10 points a month ago

i wish i could escape the ecosystem but ive been in it for decades now and have no idea how to:

  • de apple but still retain coherence and not need to treat my phone like a linux pc
  • i can de mac and use a linux pc; i do on my servers at home fine.
  • de google. see phone concerns.
  • i can happily self host a cloud. but whatever.

sigh. no clear checklist path.

thing is: i am a sw engineer already and have lazily enjoyed my phone being something i dont have to worry about day to day.

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BlackVenom 8 points a month ago

What exactly are the phone concerns tho?

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boonhet 2 points a month ago

Having to tinker with a Linux phone? There's tons of issues still.

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flandish 2 points a month ago

welp it is my understanding that a degoogled andrioid os phone involves a bunch of sysadmin steps to keep stuff updated and secure? i could be wrong!

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Aralakh 8 points a month ago

Not at all, perhaps only a modicum of technology confidence to do the install, though I can understand how it can feel/seem a tad daunting. Sent from my GrapheneOS pixel with no sysadmin knowledge 🫑.

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majster 2 points a month ago

I don't think it was ever that troublesome. But custom rom support was indeed a hit or miss thing. I bought FP6 with /e/OS preinstalled for this reason and had no issues. At least no major ones. No babysitting required stuff just works.

Other popular option is google pixel with graphene.

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degen 2 points a month ago

Only if you consider using a different app than the play store to be sysadmin, really. Depending on your reliance on proprietary apps and ability to accept foss apps, it doesn't have to be much different.

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flandish 0 points a month ago

well yeah. i love me some foss stuff. but from an os level, the footprint and response to cves from an oss os vs a corporate one i can see going both ways. in short, i should pick up and try a graphene one.

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NewOldGuard 1 point a month ago

Using GrapheneOS is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. I'm not de googled entirely as I use the play store for some apps, but running the sandboxed play store and an F droid client is all it takes. That's like 5 minutes of setup. It's really not different from stock android or iOS except I have two app stores to choose from instead of one. It all updates automatically and just works

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flandish 1 point a month ago

thanks for the input!

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sibachian 4 points a month ago

i left their ecosystem about 3 years ago now.

  • i replaced by macbook with a lenovo which came without any OS (no microsoft taint!).
  • i replaced by iphone with a fairphone running e/OS/, it can do anything my pro max could except take equally good photos, for some that might be a dealbreaker but avoiding US stuff is more important for me. there is also jolla as an alternative, but it costs three times as much.
  • i switched to pcloud (a swiss pay-once model) from icloud, it took a couple of hours to download 53.000 photos, since they limit it to 1000 at a time (maybe there was a better way to do it). it works so much better than icloud too.
  • i switched to several mail providers that weren't quite what i needed until i found a local server provider, costs me $20 a year + $20 for a domain, with some 50gb of email storage. they have since increased their price but i'm locked in to this offering. if they ever force bump the price i'd try mailbox.org though.
  • i tried to use cryptdrive for writing and documents but there is no native software and it's annoying to use on phone so i now basically do all my writing and notes in upnote. it's everything i need in terms of writing and sharing and uses a pay-once model. they also add all features i have personally ask for, so that's really cool.
  • i had already used bitwarden for all passwords and proton authenticator so i don't need to move any of that shit over.

i haven't used any google products in like 10 years anyway (it's why i switched to apple in the first place. but i feel like now the open source or european alternatives have finally caught up with the standards i need).

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flandish 1 point a month ago

great write up. thanks! i use protonmail for my domain emails. but will look into e/os/ and fair phone when this iphone dies. the other things i’ll look into, too! (i dont so much care abt photos but it couldnt hurt to keep them backed up, i reckon )

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Majestic 4 points a month ago

I wouldn't bother with the mobile devices so much.

Google is deeply embedded in the zionist entity. It has multiple subdivisions located there, deep ties to their intelligence apparatus (and to the US intelligence apparatus) Jumping from paying apple $1000 for a phone to paying Google $1000 for a phone that you install another OS on doesn't really help IMO and is like jumping from a boiling pot into the deep fryer next to it.

Don't buy Mac computers, don't buy Apple accessories, don't buy in iTunes, and limit app store purchases where feasible. That and putting up some stickers/posters or making more people aware of this complicity to hit Apple even a little in the pocket will do more than switching phone ecosystems like that.

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flandish 1 point a month ago

yeah when it comes to large corps there is (usually) no escape its ties to zionism. :/

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katze 1 point a month ago

limit app store purchases where feasible

I have never seen the need to purchase anything on any "app store", be it Apple or Google Play.

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thanksforreading 2 points a month ago

NAS + linux everything

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sakuraba 2 points a month ago

best thing you can do is keep using whatever device you have right now until it dies

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eldavi 2 points a month ago

welcome to my world. lol

google's "dont be evil" motto suckered me in during the early 2000's and now i'm so quagmiresd in it that i can't find a single path for all of it.

atleast graphene for me will be slightly easier since i've mostly used android this entire time -- idk what iphone users will do.

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fluckx 1 point a month ago

I guess a second hand pixel with Graphene os maybe?

I assume you wouldn't have to worry much about it. Except for google shenanigans w.r.t. third party app stores.

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antianarchist 0 points a month ago

Same. It is, what it is. You can’t fight in all wars. It is also okay to just be conscious and informed about it. No one wins if you try to fight everything and die because of exhaustion.

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Aralakh 2 points a month ago

Your comment along with your username, feels like an appro case of nominative determinism.

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DarrinBrunner 9 points a month ago

I promise I won't buy a Duo.

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ComradePedro 9 points a month ago

So what am I supposed to use instead? Android by Google? GrapheneOS on a Google Pixel? I reluctantly switched from Google Pixel to iPhone a year ago and plan on just not upgrading as long as possible tbh

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geneva_convenience 13 points a month ago

Motorola has a Graphene phone coming out soonTM. Else just buy a non-Google Android phone.

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SocialistVibes01 8 points a month ago

Do you have any idea how hard these are to get on most of the planet?

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TrickDacy 3 points a month ago

Android phones...?

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SocialistVibes01 3 points a month ago

Degloogled ones

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eldavi 1 point a month ago

what's blocking someone in your situation from buying something from the likes of murena or installing lineage yourself?

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SocialistVibes01 2 points a month ago

$. It doesn't grow on trees

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ComradePedro 2 points a month ago

Google makes a huge amount of money from Android though so I’m curious to see what Motorola is cooking

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Spectrism 2 points a month ago

You could always install AOSP-based ROMs (LineageOS, /e/, etc.) on those non-Google Android phones. Google doesn't really make any money from those (if you avoid Gapps).

If you want to avoid Android and iOS altogether, you're going to be disappointed with Motorola as well, because they'll keep using Android (which, just like the other ROMs, GrapheneOS is based on), leaving you with basically just Linux-based operating systems like postmarketOS, Ubuntu Touch or Sailfish OS.

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sapphironZA -2 points a month ago

Like Huawei and China are any better than the US companies.

Right now there are almost no options not linked to some major political movement or crime against humanity.

So it would be best to choose the option that gives you the most freedom to avoid government and corporate overreach after purchase. Where it is developed or manufactured is less important compared to that.

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just_an_average_joe 5 points a month ago

You make it sound like china and US are the same level of bad. When US+Israel are currently doing a televised genocide. Chinese AI models are the reason why most of the world are even able to run efficient AI model on their own devices. Chinese EVs are making electric cars more affordable. Chinese companies are leading the solar adoption. Chinese ram manufacturers are breaking up RAM monopoly. Chinese companies are also making sodium ion batteries mainstream.

Sure china is not free of any wrong doing but comparatively, they are not as bad as US.

And if you wanna avoid both china and USA then you also have fairphone on which you can install calyx, e/OS, or lineage.

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geneva_convenience 3 points a month ago

Yes China is a million times better in terms of human rights than Israel

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boonhet 0 points a month ago

"Million" sure.

It's better no doubt, but you're still trading one devil for another.

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sapphironZA -1 points a month ago

Tell that to the Uyngers and Tibitans.

It looks different from the Palestinian genocide, in that rather than straight bombing and stealing land, China focuses more on mass interment and re-education, forced sterilization and forced labour.

Just like the US and Israel, China is being ruled by capitalist Oligarchs that will commit genocide to gain and control resources.

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nfreak 7 points a month ago

GrapheneOS on a secondhand pixel is the best choice, but that's not saying much tbh. The entire smartphone ecosystem is fucked.

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Madzielle 3 points a month ago

I love being carrier locked.

got a pixel 7a and was able to get to like, step 6 of intalling graphene until I realized, I have to contact and convince T-mobile to unlock my shit.

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cosmos8188 3 points a month ago

That is a valid concern, especially since there is no viable options. I guess the best option would be to ditch the phone and wait for the Linux phone - but that isn't necessarily viable either, so compromises have to be made - for now.

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hanrahan 3 points a month ago

used pixel and graphene

or Fairphone 6+ and e/os

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boonhet 1 point a month ago

Gives money to someone to buy a new pixel lol

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LifeInMultipleChoice 1 point a month ago

No idea, I'm really hoping the co-op of Motorola and non-android ends up working on more than the intended hardware. They say they want it for flagship, but hopefully it ends up working on a number of cheaper Motorola phones or such

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Mihies 2 points a month ago

Graphene wants hw support, so if there is no support it won't run. Alternative OS might and probably already do, though, such as lineage, e/OS etc.

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ShaunKL -1 points a month ago

There isn’t really a correct answer, nor one that will β€œabsolve you of sin”. Trying to maintain some kind of purity is as much a distraction from the root of the problem as self-recycling is in regards to global warming.

Having a tool you have confidence in us important. I’ve been slowly backing out of the Apple ecosystem since the last election, but being present, the sacrifice of time and place, at town meetings, party meetings, etc. is going to have a much greater impact on the world around you than trying to purchase salvation with phone.

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Lucidlethargy 6 points a month ago

I'll join, but I already thought Apple was overpriced bullshit.

Idiots love it, though.

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Duamerthrax 5 points a month ago

Why in the hell would you setup R&D for a computer company in Isreal for any reason that isn't a bribe of some sort?

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geneva_convenience 7 points a month ago

Israelis infiltrate companies and then try to funnel investment of the company into Israel and hire more Israelis. It's the most blatant nepotism and corruption you'll ever see.

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TiredTiger 5 points a month ago

Haven't they been on the BDS list for a while now?

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geneva_convenience 8 points a month ago

The official BDS list is very small and targeted and does not contain Apple (yet). BDS is meant as a starting point for the most important companies to boycott according to the BDS org. Boycotting beyond that is still effective.

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TiredTiger 1 point a month ago

I use an extended list that contains companies connected to those on the main list, and companies connected to those companies. I'm still a little surprised Apple hasn't been on the official list yet, but hopefully this will get them added to it.

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geneva_convenience 4 points a month ago

I use the No Thanks app which contains almost every brand and only occasionally run into some tech stuff which is difficult because almost all of the major players have Israel links but I try to get AMD since they're least bad in that respect for now.

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TiredTiger 3 points a month ago

I use Boycat, which has a barcode scanner. There are a few things that I've found that should be on its list that aren't (largely due to recent buyouts), but it's very handy when I'm not sure about something in the store.

I haven't bought any tech lately. I'm hoping that Chinese GPUs will hit American markets eventually and I can just avoid all the American tech companies before I need to upgrade. We'll see.

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last_mango 3 points a month ago path: 0 25756872, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
zebidiah 3 points a month ago

oh weird, i thought isreal was mainly into beeper technology.....

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eldavi 2 points a month ago

only for the dirty brown people who don't know their place. :p

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Vgcjt 3 points a month ago

Ive been working on eliminating genocide consumption from my life. I got rid of windows. I am not working on google.

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HerbGrower 3 points a month ago

Just get to feel better and better about buying a fairphone.

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Alexfire 3 points a month ago

That does suck they did that, such a "great american company", like so many others don't really care about the country where they started. It's business and they create jobs elsewhere, and then people blame on Dems for wanting safe workplaces, benefits and livable incomes for people, rather than the businesses that chose others over We The People. Truth.

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Digit 2 points a month ago

Adding a log to the camel's back seems overkill. Already had plenty reasons long time ago. Since before Greta existed even.

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DarrinBrunner 1 point a month ago

I have a 12 mini I just replaced the battery on. I'll keep it running as long as I can, hopefully a few more years. I took it out of its case for the first time when I had the battery replaced, it looks brand-new, perfect condition.

Truth is, I'll probably go with Apple again whenever this phone bites it. But, who knows?

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geneva_convenience 1 point a month ago

It's not the end of the world. Boycotting matters most and is easiest when you don't care much about a product brand. Which are most products for most people.

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dan69 1 point a month ago

In our current state; the lack of privacy, I challenge myself on why I need a newer similar model of phone. Like the number of apps I used has significantly decreased and continues to. Having the shiniest new toy is not with it, especially when it’s not novel.

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boonhet 2 points a month ago

Better battery life and camera mostly.

If your battery is good and you're happy with your camera, there's no reason to upgrade any more often than like 6-7 years on flagships these days. Cheap phones will actually get outdated in that time.

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