Why do people hate Ubuntu but love Fedora?

a month ago by Skullgrid to c/linuxquestions

I kinda get why people hate Ubuntu, corporate enshittification attempts (ads in terminal) and various attempts of non-standard standard creation with partly closed source (snaps).

Why don't people hate fedora for being derived from a corporate OS paradigm and being geared towards achieving the goals of the red hat org interfering with community driven OS stuff? The last I saw of it inexplicitly was the proposed AI integrations.

I do understand there's been several spinoffs to even re-create redhat without having the guys in red hat be in charge (alma, rocky, etc), so some contention appears to exist, I just don't see what's going on properly.

EDIT : I guess Open Suse is too niche and german to recieve the same hate?

EDIT2 : OK, my mistake in perspective, but you need to throw me a bone in that Red Hat corporation is "under legal responsibility" of the Red Hat Company/business/whatever, and has employees working on it. The idea that Fedora is RHEL with things removed is pretty close to RHEL is Fedora with things added, especially since it's "Oh, we have X Red Hat employees working on Y features for Fedora , and Z Red Hat employees working on features for RHEL". The business entity of Red Hat is the one at the head (more or less) of both endevours, which leads to my question.

Why does this corporate relationship and "steering" not cause any ire? It's even owned by IBM at the end of it all.

Krafting 33 points a month ago

Snaps.

That's it, they refuse to adopt the flatpak standard and force down their closed source store and technologies.

Also Fedora is more up to date in term of packages.

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vikingtons 18 points a month ago

on top of flatpak, they've pioneered in other desktop-centric technologies such as wayland and pipewire (i'd argue the /usr split too, though this is more relevant for the atomic side).

also saner defaults for the DEs they ship as individual spins,

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ryannathans 7 points a month ago

And no Ubuntu pro equivalent on Federa

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Skullgrid 3 points a month ago

RHEL is Fedora Pro from my understanding.

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vikingtons 2 points a month ago

I'm not sure what that is but I'd be inclined to think it's not gonna be good 😅

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ryannathans 3 points a month ago

Tldr you pay for updates

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CameronDev 7 points a month ago

And mir, bzr, unity, upstart...

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9point6 6 points a month ago

Yeah I was gonna say, snaps weren't even the first time they pulled this shit

Though snaps are particularly obnoxious, want to install the Firefox package using apt? Have a snap instead

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PabloSexcrowbar 3 points a month ago

At least unity and upstart were decent ideas. Snaps are just shit.

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CameronDev 3 points a month ago

Unity was nice enough, but thats a personal preference, so no arguments there.

And upstart was a good idea, and just about all distros did transition to upstart, but Ubuntu stuck to it long after everyone else had moved on to systemd. Which was just annoying if you had to administer both types of systems.

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corsicanguppy -1 points a month ago

Snaps and flatpak are both really bad packaging. As someone who's used RH since RHL4.something (no e), it's not because they chose one bad packaging format over another bad one.

It started with a Debian snob putting me off, but the validation differences between Debs and rpms were what kept me.

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imsufferableninja 13 points a month ago

For one thing, you've got the relationship backwards between fedora and RHEL. Fedora is the upstream, and RHEL is derived from it.

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Skullgrid 2 points a month ago

Ok, thank you for the correction. I updated the OP, but can you please give me a bit more of your opinion on the edit?

EDIT2 : OK, my mistake in perspective, but you need to throw me a bone in that Red Hat corporation is "under legal responsibility" of the Red Hat Company/business/whatever, and has employees working on it. The idea that Fedora is RHEL with things removed is pretty close to RHEL is Fedora with things added, especially since it's "Oh, we have X Red Hat employees working on Y features for Fedora , and Z Red Hat employees working on features for RHEL". The business entity of Red Hat is the one at the head (more or less) of both endevours, which leads to my question.

Why does this corporate relationship and "steering" not cause any ire? It's even owned by IBM at the end of it all.

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imsufferableninja 11 points a month ago

Fedora is primarily driven by the community, with RH involvement on the council. RH can add their business priorities on top, and that doesn't impact fedora. Ubuntu is primarily owned and steered by canonical, so the community has much less say - and you can see that in all the Ubuntu pro crap that's installed by default, auto updates by default, etc.

That's on top of all the unpopular technical decisions canonical has made - forced snaps, mir, et al.

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mrnngglry 9 points a month ago

There are some pretty big differences in my opinion. Fedora is upstream from RHEL, not the other way around. Fedora is more like Debian while RHEL is more like Ubuntu. Fedora ships with Vanilla Gnome and Vanilla KDE, very up to date. It is relatively secure out of the box. I like that they’ve fully embraced atomic distros.

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Skullgrid 1 point a month ago

Ok, thank you for the correction. I updated the OP, but can you please give me a bit more of your opinion on the edit?

EDIT2 : OK, my mistake in perspective, but you need to throw me a bone in that Red Hat corporation is "under legal responsibility" of the Red Hat Company/business/whatever, and has employees working on it. The idea that Fedora is RHEL with things removed is pretty close to RHEL is Fedora with things added, especially since it's "Oh, we have X Red Hat employees working on Y features for Fedora , and Z Red Hat employees working on features for RHEL". The business entity of Red Hat is the one at the head (more or less) of both endevours, which leads to my question.

Why does this corporate relationship and "steering" not cause any ire? It's even owned by IBM at the end of it all.

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mrnngglry 3 points a month ago

What imsufferableninja said. Fedora is still very much community driven. Ubuntu has been increasingly less so over the years. I used it as my primary distro for 20 years, from 2004. It was the second distro I ever used and I stuck with it because it just worked. In 2024, I got curious and tried a handful of distros. I realized how much Ubuntu had shifted their focus to enterprise customers. Fedora gives me a lot of what I liked about Ubuntu without the shitty parts.

As for IBM, it doesn’t bother me much. Save for a handful of exceptions, no matter what Linux distro you use, you are using a product that receives financial support and often developer talent and code from some of the biggest and worst of big tech. The kernel gets that directly. Unless you’re using the Linux-Libre kernel, you get all of that big tech all up in your distro. That doesn’t bother me all that much because I’m not a purist and mostly just want a distro that works well and doesn’t do too many things I don’t like. Fedora fits the bill for me.

I also run Debian and Void on some secondary machines and unRAID and ZimaOS on a couple of home servers. Fedora is what I use every day.

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CorrectAlias 2 points a month ago

Fedora is coming to unRAID, by the way: https://unraid.net/blog/unraid-8-announced

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mrnngglry 2 points a month ago

I heard and I think it will lead to real improvements.

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phanto 3 points a month ago

My two cents: I ran a bit of both for a long time, and whenever something broke, I tended to jump ship on that device. I'm now only running 2 Ubuntu VMs, and all my bare metal is Fedora or Debian. Most of my VMs are one of those two as well. Snaps break or lag. Snaps kick me out in the middle of use. Debian is hard to use, but it's still my computer, not theirs. Fedora is a bit easier to me.

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rozodru 2 points a month ago

note I don't user neither nor am I a huge fan of either but if I had no other choice I'd pick Fedora over Ubuntu.

essentially Snaps and updates. that's why Ubuntu is meh. I hate the fact that Ubuntu will sneak snap options in on you. Also whenever an update rolls out, and you can see this in real time on like Mastodon if you want, it's guaranteed you'll see people complaining about how the Update broke something.

Fedora is fine. it works most of the time. I'm not a fan of the spins you're locked into. there's too many. it's unnecessary. also I find Fedora very easy to break if you get liberal with it. And because of that and the spins I have a hard time recommending it to new users. But that's me. If you love Fedora than kudos to you. It's a great distro if you just want something to install and forget about and you know what DE/WM you want to stick with for an extended period of time.

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sem 2 points a month ago

Ubuntu isn't that bad. The snaps are sometimes annoying, but it is still my distro of choice. I like the community, the LTS releases with backports, and how most things just work and don't break.

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imsufferableninja 1 point a month ago

I don't mind snaps. However, I vehemently object to being forced to use snaps. If I install software with apt, I expect it to install a deb not a snap.

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HubertManne 1 point a month ago

yeah zoring gets flack for not only being a ubuntu derivative but having a paid supported option.

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mrnngglry 3 points a month ago

Last time I checked, that paid support only bought you install support, nothing more. For an easy distro, it is pretty pointless. They also mislead new Linux users by making it seem like you’re getting a great deal by paying for free software. They need to either offer something more substantial for a paid option or just ask for donations. Don’t trick new users into paying for something that is freely available elsewhere.

Way worse than Ubuntu. Sorry, rant over.

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HubertManne 1 point a month ago

the community edition is fine. I don't see anything indicating support is limited to installation.

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mrnngglry 1 point a month ago

I think if they just asked for donations rather than having a pro version, no one would have an issue. It’s a genuinely easy to use a beautiful distro.

I wasn’t attacking you either. You mentioned Zorin so I commented. Hope you didn’t take it the wrong way.

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