0w0 we can't get violent, we have to use the tools that capitalism provides us to fight them! It'll totally work! We just have to voteee!!! - liberals

7 days ago by jankforlife to c/memes

RiverRock 31 points 7 days ago

"Sure the game is rigged and the stack of bottles is glued together, but we just have to throw the ball really hard."

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PattyMcB 23 points 7 days ago

"Fascism? I'm totally fine with it" -conservatives

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AntiOutsideAktion 12 points 7 days ago

"Fascism? Well... As long as the other guy is 1% more fascist I'm totally fine with it" -liberals

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dessalines 4 points 6 days ago path: 0 26178381 26201016, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
marcie 13 points 7 days ago

Is that charlie kirk

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StuffYouFear 6 points 6 days ago path: 0 26194345, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 1
insanemantis 6 points 5 days ago

2A defenders have been real quiet ever since the surge in ICE shootings

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Bluedragon012 6 points 6 days ago

I can do both. I can vote and I can be violent.

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oopsgodisdeadmybad 4 points 6 days ago

Repeating the last letter to denote holding a word out is one of my biggest icks for captioned images/memes.

Is rarely the sound that would be lengthened, and it gets super double extra annoying when the repeated letter is SILENT.

"Voteeeeeee" is just unambiguously wrong, and the creator of the title of this post should feel bad.

Edit: Why are you booing me? I'm right.

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NihilsineNefas 10 points 6 days ago

Trueeeeee

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stinkytofuisgood 7 points 6 days ago

I get it, it's hard to afford therapy when the system doesn't want you to get better

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kreskin 1 point 5 days ago

chatgtp is our new therapist. It will sell all the information you tell it, but its only 20 a month.

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kreskin 1 point 5 days ago

Our republican-defunded education system is really in the shitter, and test scores have been in freefall. We should probably savor what grasp of english writing people have now as its almost certainly going to decline.

Anger over repeated trailing silent letters is the least of our problems, so we have that going for us.

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Lydia_K 2 points 7 days ago

Ah yes, more "don't bother voting" propaganda.

The message should be "you need to do more than just vote"

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Ryanmiller70 15 points 7 days ago

Personally I'm not against voting (although I'm against the "support the lesser evil" rhetoric). I just hate that libs constantly downplay political violence (whether it be direct violence against politicians or their supporters or destruction of property) as an available tool that must never be used unless absolutely necessary. That if you do use it, you must distance yourself from leftists, anti-capitalists, Democrats, and basically make it seem like you only did it cause you were bored. Not doing so would hurt us too much.

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m532 14 points 6 days ago

Do radlibs have a MLM scheme where they get commission for getting people to vote for their cult leaders?

(I mean that would explain why they're so desparate that they even try to shill voting to their worst enemies, the anti-imperialists)

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AHemlocksLie 2 points 6 days ago

So start local with a third party, then. I hear DSA is actually having some luck building up that way, and once you built a local foundation, they actually become viable at higher levels. A third party is never going to just come out of nowhere and win the presidency, but with a foundation under them... Well, people are getting tired of Democrats, and they might be willing to entertain other options.

Plus, if they just get big enough, other parties can actually influence the platforms of the main parties. The corporate parties are never going to give us everything we want, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take what incremental change we can.

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kreskin 1 point 5 days ago

the opposite. Checks are written when the rich and genociders get the voters to vote like they want. By comparison, No one gets paid when we all choose to do the decent thing instead.

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m532 6 points 5 days ago

Why would they pay off the voters when they can just pay off the lawmakers? Way cheaper.

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Arcanepotato 12 points 6 days ago

...We just have to vote...

The title of the post says voting isn't enough.

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eldavi 8 points 7 days ago

Ah yes, more “don’t bother voting” propaganda.

the heart of the issue seems to be the legitimacy that voting gives to a system -- participate if you chose do, just do so w the awareness of the fact your participation was more beneficial to the status quo than it was to you.

and, yes, you do need to do more than just vote; but if you lack an understanding of why your increased participate is now necessary you'll be treading water at best -- like the democrats.

there have been people who've been in this situation before and wrote down what they did with the benefit hindsight included -- if you look at their stuff you'll find out what you need to do beyond voting.

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agamemnonymous -4 points 7 days ago

The system gets legitimacy from the 150 million people who vote. A tiny minority of leftists refusing to participate does not delegitimize the system one iota. As a cis hetero white man, honestly my vote either way doesn't affect me all that much, other than maybe being thrown in jail for leftist organizing. But it also doesn't really affect the status quo either. I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.

And yes, obviously we need to build an alternative where no one suffers, but that takes time. Personally, I prefer to at least attempt to minimize the suffering of others during that time. Accelerationism is sociopathy.

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EmmiLime 8 points 6 days ago

I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.

The people being Palestinians, got it.

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agamemnonymous -10 points 6 days ago

No, they're suffering either way. My heart, and some of my money, goes out to them. But their suffering is not dependent on my vote. If it was, I would vote that way. But it isn't.

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eldavi 6 points 6 days ago

you're either unwilling or unable to see that the things that the accelerationists want is the eventual outcome anyways because of the way the system is intentionally structured and history proves that nature will ensure that the commeuppance gets worse the longer we put off making a change.

turning the election into a farce through a lack of cooperating they way they want you to is the easiest & laziest way for an american to help induce such a change, but it will not work if too many people are unable/unwilling to see past the parliamentary mind games that makes you think that you're helping the people they're holding ransom for your vote.

I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.

as a neurospicy queer brown immigrant, i implore you to stop -- look at the pattern established by the last near century of the red vs blue team culture wars to recognize it for the smoke screen that it is.

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agamemnonymous -2 points 6 days ago

turning the election into a farce through a lack of cooperating they way they want you to is the easiest & laziest way for an american to help induce such a change, but it will not work if too many people are unable/unwilling to see past the parliamentary mind games that makes you think that you're helping the people they're holding ransom for your vote.

Too many people are unable to see past the parliamentary mind games. If you can't persuade a hundred million people, that strategy is pointless and ineffective. You can't persuade a hundred million people, so this strategy is pointless and ineffective.

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zbyte64 -6 points 7 days ago

The system is "self-legitimazing" regardless of how many people choose not to vote. Consider the current president didn't even get the majority of votes.

Instead of buying into the liberal myth that voting creates legitimacy, look at voting as choosing which boss you are going to fight.

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Edie 16 points 6 days ago

The owner has set up this system where he says you get to choose the boss. Even if you do, at best you get to choose who interprets the owners orders. Spending all your time fighting for one boss or the other or against specifically the boss is the wrong thing to do. The correct thing to do is to fight to get rid of the owner and this system, to create a new system that is truly democratic, that will listen to the workers.

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zbyte64 -5 points 6 days ago

Spending all your time fighting for one boss

That is certainly not what I am advocating for when I say go vote for who you want to fight against.

The correct thing to do is to fight to get rid of the owner and this system, to create a new system that is truly democratic, that will listen to the workers.

Voting does not prevent you from building dual power.

at best you get to choose who interprets the owners orders.

And that has material consequences. To ignore that is to limit who you are able to work with.

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Lydia_K -9 points 7 days ago

Pushing "don't even bother trying" is just supporting the fascists.

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BanMeFromPosting 14 points 6 days ago

Both parties are fascist

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DudleyMason 10 points 7 days ago

If you hear "voting for the polite fascists is not really better than voting for the loud ones" and take that as "don't even bother trying", then you really may as well not bother trying, bcs nothing you were trying was ever going to help, and most of it will just strengthen the fascists.

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Lydia_K -10 points 7 days ago

Please point to the part of the meme / title that encouraged voting for anyone let alone anything else. This is just disenpowerment and pushes the narrative that it's hopeless to try anything at all under the guise of "liberals bad" (which I don't necessarily disagree with, but this is training people to give up entirely)

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Zexks -16 points 7 days ago

So your all proposing we purge every other year. Thats your best idea

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RiverRock 19 points 7 days ago

"Hey we need to build proletarian organizations to channel political energy in a non-dead end direction"

You:

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Zexks -17 points 7 days ago

Thats not what was said. Anymore strawmen

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Burn_The_Right 1 point 6 days ago

We really only need one good purge. It would have been done by Sherman, but Lincoln stopped him before he deleted the rest of the bigoted conservative traitors. Now we have concentration camps.

We just need to finish Sherman's work once. Not ever other year.

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Zexks 1 point 2 days ago

The problem is it can never just stop at once. Look what happened to Maximilien Robespierre. Voting was the amswer to that

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BanMeFromPosting 7 points 6 days ago

Not voting for genocide does more good than any amount of volunteer work within the democratic party could ever do.

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AntiOutsideAktion 7 points 7 days ago

If you actually thought this the only time you would give this response is when voting was actually occurring.

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AHemlocksLie -5 points 7 days ago

Capitalists must be so relieved that socialist and communist enclaves advocate disengaging from the electoral process, as if an afternoon or less spent voting, two if you vote in a primary, precludes one from otherwise protesting, organizing, or lifting a finger to resist.

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CyroSignal 0 points 6 days ago

Oh, that's absolutely true !!! lol

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Bipauler -8 points 7 days ago

All these opinionated hot takes lately, but not a whole lot of input on what should be done then? Just not vote? General strike would probably be the best bet, but good luck trying to organize that. I'd love to hear some more hot takes just in time to convince people to abstain from even going to the polls. How many of these people touting these views are actually doing things like grassroots work, I wonder? Or is that what posting memes on the internet is supposed to be considered?... What's the goal here? To shit on the libs? Ok, let's hear a coherent concept of what we can all do to fight the broken system, that's actually plausible and not just some fantasy circle jerk.

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Arcanepotato 18 points 6 days ago

Just not vote?

Begging for people to understand "voting isn't enough" doesn't mean "you shouldn't vote" unless that person includes "and you shouldn't participate in it".

Edit:

What's the goal here? To shit on the libs

Sounds fun, yeah. It's a meme. You don't have to like it but it's weird as fuck to expect memes to come with practical instructions.

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BanMeFromPosting 12 points 6 days ago

You shouldnt vote for genociders.

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Arcanepotato 13 points 6 days ago

Agreed.

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BanMeFromPosting 12 points 6 days ago

organize

There you go, you answered it yourself. Involve yourself with an actual political principled leftist party.

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kreskin 7 points 5 days ago

make demands from dem candidates and when they wont deliver, dont vote for them. They need to be scared of us, and they arent.

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Zerush -10 points 5 days ago

You can't fight against capitalism with violence, this cause only more violence and suffering. Because the elite has all the force and weapons, apart to turn with it the oligarchs in martyrs, justifying more oppression. You can use votes, demonstrations, strikes. boycotts, sabotage. education and intelligence to fight the system, using it's flaws against it.

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BrainInABox 9 points 5 days ago

"You can't possibly fight the system, the elites have all the force and weapons! They'll probably let you vote them out though idk..."

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dessalines 8 points 5 days ago

You can’t fight against capitalism with violence,

Historically the only way you can fight against capitalism is with violence. There has never been a case in its entire ~400 year history where its relinquished power to socialist alternatives without violence.

Fidel on this

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peacepath 7 points 5 days ago

You can only fight capitalism using violence. This cause non-violent acts are turned into merchandises. The profits made on red t-shirt with Che Guevara's picture are profits. Votes, demonstrations, strikes only have value if they come with a demonstration of capacity of violence.

Which right was given by the imperialists without a fight or their fear of a fight?

Even social democrates use this. They make the richests affraid of a communist revolution to make them accept to give back a little bit of that they have stolen to workers. But they don't do that to reduce violence, they try to balance the threats to make their living out of them.

Violence to force imperialists to renounce to their priviledges is unavoidable. The level of violence it will needs only depends on them. And they can't coexist with a non-violent society, since their way of living is to exploit others (which is a constant violence).

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RiverRock 5 points 5 days ago

We have all the numbers.

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Midnight -11 points 7 days ago

Anti state violence meme

Hell yea

Posted by someone furiously jerking off to an imperialist invasion

The irony could not be more palpable

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RiverRock 19 points 7 days ago

Honest question, why can you guys never go five seconds without proving the adage that all reactionary politics is sexual pathology

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jankforlife 3 points 6 days ago

The only imperialist invasion is the burgerland empire's nazi puppet gov in Ukraine

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Sordid_Seraphim -8 points 5 days ago
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Amnesigenic 9 points 5 days ago

You're on a platform designed by tankies, dumbass

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BrainInABox 8 points 5 days ago

Then go back to reddit

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jankforlife 7 points 5 days ago

God there are too many liberal empire propagandists on Lemmy

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expletivedeleted -13 points 5 days ago

Are you calling for a civil war? I don't get these posts.

Vote with your dollar.

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Amnesigenic 11 points 5 days ago

Voting with your dollar in a capitalist system only works if you have billions of them

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peacepath 4 points 5 days ago

not even, only if you are spending billion of them... (if you don't use them you have no capitalist impact)

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dessalines 5 points 5 days ago

Vote with your dollar.

Doesn't work, a tiny number of capitalists have more of them, and created a system / rigged game (bourgeois "democracy") that perfectly serves their interests.

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expletivedeleted -2 points 4 days ago

Not with that attitude. I mean, if you don't eat McDonald's, it is going to go away. People stopped eating Burger King and they are dropping like flies in my city.

Like, literally, you are on Lemmy for this reason, I would suppose: because time is money, and it takes time to collect data. So you aren't spending time on social media outside of the fedeverse.

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narr1 4 points 4 days ago

Burger Kings might go away via boycotting, and so would those places of work (not to glorify fastfood chains as employers, those suck major balls). Capitalism wouldn't stop existing even if everyone stopped buying anything, because all those people would still need groceries, housing, electricity etc. All of those exist under capitalist relation to production. If people elected to stop paying their rent as boycott for example, the government would send the cops to forcibly remove those people and throw their shit on the street. Consumers boycotting any single aspects of capitalism will never be enough by itself to bring about societal change, because the whole of liberal society exists to serve the interests of capital.

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