Burn down the system

6 days ago by ickplant to c/witchymemes

velma 71 points 6 days ago

I remember when my ex-sister-in-law told me this verbatim. I was enraged.

She's backed off of that sentiment ten years later now that she's seen what her votes have gained. But I won't forget.

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LifeInMultipleChoice 29 points 6 days ago

Some people do. Also long term constant propaganda machines wear people down. It isn't hard to find people who pointed out Vietnam was bad but then supported Iraq or such. The number of people who supported the idea of setting up a universal healthcare system when voting for Obamas campaign, then also voted for Trump in 2024 is non zero.

Thankfully it isn't everyone, otherwise I think our suicide rates would grow even larger with people realizing they don't want to live in a world where they don't give a fuck about anyone but theirself.

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areakode 51 points 6 days ago

I'm definitely less liberal. Now I'm an anarchist, leftist, socialist. They were right!

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ickplant 25 points 6 days ago

Them: “No, not like that!”

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Iunnrais 36 points 6 days ago

That only works when people are able to successfully find a comfortable place in the system, then the urge to say “fuck you, got mine” grows more and more, making conservatism increasingly likely. But when the system breaks and multiple entire generations stop getting theirs, FUGM stops being a possible option— you ain’t got any to say got mine about.

Accumulated lead poisoning over decades also helps contribute to an increase in likelihood of conservatism as a person ages. Perhaps even more substantially than what I said before.

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AFKBRBChocolate 14 points 6 days ago

I grew up in a conservative Catholic middle class family. Got a job at a conservative aerospace company right out of college. Worked there for 40 years. Retired last year as a senior manager. I've consistently become more liberal over those years; a lot of that in reaction to the grotesque form of conservatism that's grown in America. In my 20s, it felt like a reasonable difference of opinion. Now, in my 60s, it feels like a level of cruelty that can't be tolerated.

I'm personally fine financially (e.g., "I got mine"), but the system is wrong and needs to be changed. The wealth inequality makes me nauseous. Everyone should have a right to healthcare and a living wage.

My story is far from unique. Yes, there are the "I got mine" conservatives, but the ones I know were never very liberal. Lots of boomers like me both benefited from the system and consistently voted for more progressive policies because we could see it becoming more and more unfair.

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Iunnrais 3 points 4 days ago

Well, you probably lack the lead exposure.

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greenskye 4 points 6 days ago

I have a pretty comfortable spot in the existing system and I'm even more left now than I was 20 years ago in college.

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Rozauhtuno 3 points 6 days ago

I wonder what the accumulated microplastics will do to us instead.

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raspirate 33 points 6 days ago

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Flower 23 points 6 days ago

You're supposed to become more conservative as you gain a larger nest egg to conserve. When even a nest is out of range of affordability for most, these is no nest egg to be conservative about.

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picnicolas 16 points 6 days ago

As a child I went to this man’s Halloween show at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, WA where he was a professor of chemistry. Amazing show! Love seeing this meme.

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velma 11 points 6 days ago

The PNW continues to be the coolest fucking place in the US.

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Wildmimic 14 points 6 days ago

I haven't become more conservative, i have become more dedicated to the values of my youth that weren't misinformed. I have become a lot less blue-eyed about the world and people in general, while still thinking conservatives are all full of shit while constantly being on the brink of becoming full-blown nazis.

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rekabis 14 points 6 days ago

I was always told I would become more conservative as I got older.

Joke’s on them. Actually understanding capitalism and conservatism and how politics are corrupted by money has bodily yeeted me so far left that I am two good shakes away from being an anachro-communist.

The real irony being that idealized “pure” democracy - fully participatory democracy where the people vote directly on policy, and politicians and most of the political apparatus no longer exists - is essentially political communism. All that remains are bureaucrats whose only job is to implement and coordinate the policies that the people vote for.

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Fowlplay 13 points 6 days ago

This is something I was always told, my family members that would say that were all boomers. Which is just another example of how they fucked us.

Good music and drugs, cheap education, sex in the 70’s along with cheap housing and job security. They voted it all away and said we didn’t deserve it and to pull the bootstraps.

Can’t wait for that generation to go away.

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dylanmorgan 12 points 6 days ago

I remember hearing that I’d become more conservative as I got older. 15 year old me thought “sure, communism and anarchism are great IN THEORY but they could never work in the real world!” and 48 year old me thinks “anarchism-syndicalism is the ideal, we just need to smash the state so they don’t crush the movement in its infancy!”

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explodicle 4 points 5 days ago

I think it helps that now we're in the real world and see capitalism not working.

Inb4 "it's working perfectly" pedants

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eskimofry 2 points 5 days ago

it only "worked" because it was capitalism at home and imperialism abroad

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Branch_Ranch 12 points 5 days ago

50s here. I've only gotten more to the left than ever. At this rate, I'll be an anarcho-communist by the mid terms!

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DamoclesDurden 9 points 5 days ago

I grew up hearing, “a person should be liberal in their youth, otherwise they have no passion; and conservative as an adult, otherwise they have no sense.”

I’m in my late forties and still think it’s as much bullshit as I thought it was as a teen.

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minorkeys 9 points 5 days ago

Only if you've never known the benefits of positive social experiences.

I can see people who've been hurt by groups, repeatedly, come to believe their safety and welfare lies in more individual power and less group power. I can understand becoming selfish if you've experienced the freedom of significant individual power.

I do not understand how someone can know billions of us exists and that we have to function as groups, suggest individual power, and less group power, is better for the future of everyone.

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fishy 3 points 5 days ago

They're just selfish pricks, plain and simple. Some people are just born without the same ability to empathize and never work on it or are put in situations to improve their ability.

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nature_man 8 points 5 days ago

The reason people assumed this was the case was that statistically the more money or influence you have the more conservative you become, and for most generations you were able to build savings or property or status slowly as you got older. This stopped being true with milenials.

Somewhat related observation: gen-Z entering the work force right now are highly radical because even while actively working multiple jobs theyre actually losing wealth and are percieved as entirely disposable by employers no matter how long or hard they work.

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vaultdweller013 1 point 4 days ago

Gen Z dude who has largely been pushed from the labor market but is lucky enough to have kin willing to support me. I fucken hate corporations so much, just let me work in the back room I'll get everything done proper your hiring offices vibe check is worthless.

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SocialMediaRefugee 7 points 5 days ago

You usually become more fiscally conservative though because you have decades of savings, home, car, etc that you've worked for.

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Knoxvomica 11 points 5 days ago

Sure but like... I want higher taxes to fund transit, school and basic income for everyone.

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Duamerthrax 3 points 5 days ago

And I want lower taxes because they're just used to fund wars and corporate bailouts.

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whalesnrainbows 1 point 4 days ago

If only there was a way we could satisfy both your desire and knoxvomica’s desire simultaneously

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SocialMediaRefugee 2 points 5 days ago

Taxes are fine as long as they aren't regressive (sales), the spending is monitored/audited and the taxes are reevaluated occasionally to see if they still make sense.

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Knoxvomica 2 points 5 days ago

Of course

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Macchi_the_Slime 7 points 6 days ago

I'm starting to wonder how much of that saying had to do with all the lead in the pipes and the gas back then making people paranoid and violent combined with the whole "Fuck you, I got mine" thing we all know about.

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JoMiran 7 points 6 days ago

I became more conservative in my thirties. By the time my forties rolled around I had already shaken off that virus. Even then, I was only fiscally conservative.

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ClownStatue 7 points 5 days ago

I was told the same thing. 20-ish years later, and the average US Democratic nominee makes me think, “you fucking fascist.”

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HubertManne 6 points 6 days ago

I too feel I was if anything more conservative when younger although I was never conservative enough to be called conservative. im in that middle where right wing calls me a crazy super ultra communist X alpha turbo edition and ultra left says im crazy super ultra capitalist X alpha turbo edition.

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Lushed_Lungfish 6 points 5 days ago

Uh huh. And you old people picking up your social security, index linked pensions, subsidized healthcare are just so anti-socialism.

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Waterpumpee 5 points 6 days ago

i think it boils down to if you have success or no. When we are young, have no money, uncertain future, we want a fairer system. When we are older and settled we want the security everything earned stays.

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rumba 5 points 6 days ago

The boomers who told us that were living in the time of affordable housing and cars, listening to the conservative frontrunners claiming it was all because of their policies.

When the economy failed to deliver such wonders to the next generations, they just told the boomers to blame the kids.

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explodicle 3 points 5 days ago

Downvote away but I'm still a fan of free markets. But that's not really an option in my country, because our Libertarian party are actually neo-feudalists who think landowners deserve free rent. So my only real voting choice is for whichever anti-FPTP candidate is most popular. The party "closer" to my beliefs is actively working against them too.

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martti 4 points 5 days ago

Market socialism and worker's self-management. Heard of it?

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explodicle 4 points 5 days ago

Yep! Let's repeal the Taft-Hartley Act and give it a fair chance.

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Johnmannesca 3 points 6 days ago

My hair will probably be that color too by then, life is rough.

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Sturgist 2 points 6 days ago

I have a friend who was going grey with a receding hairline in grade 4, so at least you got to keep it longer than that! 😀

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