Just coincidence

4 days ago by Paddy66 to c/lemmyshitpost

TheTechnician27 102 points 4 days ago

I'm not saying this image is generated, but it is at least a little bit weird that a reverse image search only shows this specific comparison. I even tried Google Images for a "Visual Match" instead of just Tineye, and nothing.

That, and Hitler's eyes look weird, and the folded Nazi flags in the back look garbled. Circumstantially, it'd be extremely fucking weird if whoever planned this layout put a plant obstructing the view of the symbol on the podium. And what the hell would that cut-off, stark white symbol at the bottom right be?

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FrostyTheDoo 66 points 4 days ago

The image of Hegeseth is real, at the 5 second mark in this video

The image of Hitler may be altered

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TheTechnician27 71 points 4 days ago

The image of Hegeseth is real

Sorry, I should've been more clear; I was never questioning the Hegseth image.

The image of Hitler may be altered

Generated, not altered. I don't think this speech footage/image existed at all. The angle is weird along with the other points.

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Wrufieotnak 23 points 4 days ago

Yeah pretty sure it's generated. Look at the flags in the background, the black in the centre doesn't make sense on a lot of them. And the people in the bottom left corner also look strange. Another strange point is the swastika below the eagle: the upper arm seems to be a bit shorter than the others. And the style of the eagle itself looks strange to me, but I'm not a historian, so that is just feeling,not knowledge.

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M137 12 points 4 days ago

It's very clearly generated. None of the flags make any sense, there are so many odd things that are AI specific details.
There has to be some image that's similar to this though.

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BeardedGingerWonder 3 points 3 days ago

There probably is, but to OPs original question, if you're going out of your way to find footage of Hitler that matches Kegsbreath, then it probably is a coincidence.

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SlothMama 22 points 4 days ago

The Swastika is somehow completely flat but the flag is folded. It's a not real image

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jballs 20 points 4 days ago

It's definitely not a good sign when we're talking about a picture of Hitler being a Nazi is AI generated, but it's a given that Hegseth being a Nazi is legitimate.

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Prunebutt 15 points 4 days ago

It's definetly slop.

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eah 11 points 4 days ago

So we're all going to mass downvote the slop so as to deter further slop, right? Right?

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Prunebutt 6 points 4 days ago

I guess spreading disinformation dunking on the opponent everyone already hates is more important than standards concerning slop. =.=

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Kazumara 11 points 4 days ago

I agree the Hitler image is fake or modified. The Reichsadler is made to look even more similar to the Department of "War" eagle. The usual head shape of the Reichsadler was a little more burly and less like a bald eagle, I'd say.

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cantstopthesignal 3 points 4 days ago

Hegseth probably did the AI himself.

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KyuubiNoKitsune 3 points 4 days ago

The bottom right looks like the top of a heart, it's a screengrab from a video

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kbobabob 2 points 4 days ago

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robomuffin79 59 points 4 days ago

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cabbage 9 points 4 days ago

When I had the misfortune of travelling in the US one of the many things that were striking to me was the use of fasces in monuments, including engraved in marble on a war monument in Washington Square Park in NYC.

Of course it's far from the most fascist thing about modern day America, but it was fascinating to see how blunt it is. I'd jump if I saw the same thing in Europe.

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Valmond 3 points 3 days ago

Many in Madrid in Spain too. So there's that, I sure thought it was weird too.

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cabbage 2 points 3 days ago

Huh, I missed them when I was there. At least it makes sense historically, and considering how Spain deals with the memory of Franco I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't erase symbolism from public spaces.

Will pay attention next time I'm there!

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UnderpantsWeevil 8 points 4 days ago

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Awooooooga -1 points 4 days ago

What the USA is doing right now is unique to her history and it does the gravity of what's happening a disservice to pretend otherwise.

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surewhynotlem -29 points 4 days ago

Oh. If it always has been, then why fight it

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NullPointerException 32 points 4 days ago

If you’re diagnosed with cancer, or a rare genetic condition, would you sit and wait to die?

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isgleas 13 points 4 days ago

Well, when you are american...

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BonsaiBoo 9 points 4 days ago

Nah, here in America if you have a fatal disease or become crippled physically and you sit there half the nation will call you lazy for not getting on your feet 18 hours a day to work for slave wages, not even making a dent in your cost of living, not able to even get treated still.

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then_three_more 7 points 4 days ago

The genetic condition is the better analogy than cancer. Cancer develops you're not born with it.

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UnderpantsWeevil 9 points 4 days ago

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Modern_medicine_isnt 54 points 4 days ago

Just because he idolizes the nazi military doesn't mean he's a nazi. He is of course. But that's not why, everything else he does is why.

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cheat700000007 3 points 4 days ago

Nazis were a lot more competent and did drugs that improved their performance (in the short term)

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LePoisson 22 points 4 days ago

Honestly the Nazis were not this Uber competent group. Tons of in-fighting, poor strategic and logistical choices, and they did not run the government nor country in this rigid orderly way that is and was projected by their propaganda.

I would say they had a very good propaganda campaign that's still ongoing and paying dividends. Once you look under the surface some and start learning more about how the country was governed it becomes clear there was plenty of room for improvement.

I mean, think about it this way, they chose to commit an industrial genocide on a hellacious scale wasting men, material and destroying the soul of a nation. How much more manpower would they have had if they didn't commit these crimes against humanity and instead had drafted these folks.

Like I know it's not a great comparison or awesome though experiment and lacking any nuance but I think it makes a point.

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Donebrach 7 points 4 days ago

There’s a reason the regime collapsed in less than a decade.

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Valmond 4 points 3 days ago

Yeah that dividend still pays out, it's insane. Take a country that ruins itself so badly so quickly, and the propaganda works anyways ??! The human brain is wild.

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KernelTale 2 points 3 days ago

Nazi economy was dependant on war. Their propaganda that Nazis have fixed the economy was so good that it lasts to this day. While the person responsible for it was ingenious his policies went all against at the time rules of economy and for a reason. It was just masking the problem which could be hidden only as long as there was war. In defense of the economist it was not his plan unlike other nazi's to expand the war, but to stop pretty early compared to what happened. I would love to answer any questions but even after spending 90 minutes on a 30 minute video I was not able to understand it completely.

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Gammelfisch 2 points 3 days ago

The German economy under the fucking Nazis was a Ponzi scheme and the German worker was earning less than the incomes from late 1920's. That is f'ed up and MAGA continues to guzzle down their Orange Kool-Aid.

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zebidiah 8 points 4 days ago

yeahhhhh but just barely, hitler was just ass much of a fucking nut-job as trump.... he advised his generals to read less sun tzu and more karl may; a children's book author, who wrote stories about cowboys and indians, who had never even visited the US.

this would be like trump telling hegseth to read more harry potter to figure out how to strategize better in the straight of hormuz...

fascists are always incompetent, because they are fucking clowns....

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FrChazzz 9 points 4 days ago

I remember back when Cracked was good a writer doing a number of articles aiming to dispel the “mystique” of the Nazis as some sort of genius-level evil and expose their incompetence. Iirc, documents have shown that the Nazis would’ve imploded on their own due to their own idiocy.

Growing up I heard all this “the German people are the smartest people in the world and Hitler was able to pursuade them through his charisma to create this insurmountable enemy that we were blessed and lucky to defeat…” Hitler won mostly through election interference and their own bloviating stupidity was a key factor in their downfall. Fascists are stupid. Deadly and dangerous, yes. But ultimately really stupid and we need to not allow any mystique saying otherwise to crop up. Fascism always fails. It hurts a lot of people in the meantime. But it will always fail.

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YeahToast 5 points 4 days ago

Ahh , so that's what the testosterone is all about.

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echodot 41 points 4 days ago

I've always thought the stylized eagle was an odd choice.

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Gates9 29 points 4 days ago

"For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

"With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country...

"I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America... He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on."

-Benjamin Franklin

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TwodogsFighting 10 points 4 days ago

Suits the US to a fucking tee.

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CalypsoGirl 5 points 4 days ago

Bald Eagle takes food from the Fishing Hawk like USA takes oil from any country who has oil. Seems Bald Eagle is a suitable mascot for USA. Although with all of USA's other bullshit, probably a huge insult to the Bald Eagle.

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RFKJrsBrainworm 2 points 3 days ago

I saw the op and was going to add something but you managed to say it more smarter like.

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BigBananaDealer 3 points 4 days ago

he says all that but we all know its because he thought they were making fun of his baldness

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Nouvellalia 10 points 4 days ago

It's not odd. It's a perfect fit for them. It's intentionally on brand

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yesman 27 points 4 days ago

Symbols are for the symbol minded - George Carlin

The thing that makes this regime similar to the Nazis isn't the way they draw eagles.

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lightnsfw 16 points 4 days ago

This regime is symbol minded though, they do this shit on purpose.

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bedwyr 2 points 4 days ago

Just as the greased back hair seems to be popular in the cabinet and therabouts.

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athatet 26 points 4 days ago

It’s a coincidence that someone ai sloped a pic of hitler to look like keggy boy?

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echodot 1 point 4 days ago

What you don't think that there is historical photography of Hitler doing that?

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athatet 2 points 4 days ago

Lemme know if you find one.

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SCmSTR 20 points 4 days ago

Department of war

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Jiral 18 points 4 days ago

The new name is oddly truthful, really not in line with their common stance on truth.

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adarza 8 points 4 days ago

for being a 'department of war', one would think they'd actually be good at it.

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SCmSTR 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah, but the mask is now off, the bar is lowered.

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Jiral 7 points 4 days ago

Interestingly "ministry of war" used to be quite frequent names for these institutions. The "defense" euphemism only came later in many countries. Austria-Hungary also had a "Kriegsministerium" ("war ministry"). It also had a much more badass double headed eagle bolted onto the building. Well, the building still has, after the country started a big war that was also the last thing that ministry did.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia04.meinbezirk.at%2Farticle%2F2024%2F03%2F01%2F3%2F38736453_XXL.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=bb3075f40aeff447cf708abd0b8c9b89fbfe1ccb42fc580c740792f4717615a0&ipo=images

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SCmSTR 2 points 4 days ago

I mean, I get and like the honesty. But keep in mind the administration that's doing this; it's different when a fascist country says "ministry of war" from when, say, a country like New Zealand or some other innocuous country like Norway or Portugal or current day Japan.

When the current fascist-US admin says they're going to be ultra aggressive, they not only end up being ultra aggressive, but they end up being ultra ultra aggressive and fascist.

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Valmond 1 point 3 days ago

Soon an even closer to the truth name would be appointed:

The Department of Strategic Miscalculations.

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pineapplelover 17 points 4 days ago

Dog whistle

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DummyWOW 14 points 4 days ago

Dog whistle implies they’re trying to hide it

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pineapplelover 3 points 3 days ago

Well idk if most (non-nazi) americans can see the similarity with the right picture missing

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NotASharkInAManSuit 13 points 3 days ago

More like a fog horn.

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Almacca 8 points 3 days ago

More of a train whistle. And that train is heading for the camps.

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Yuccagnocchiyaki 15 points 3 days ago

One instance is a coincidence

You have this picture here as one ( we won't even talk about he made the eagle more Nazi like)

They use a Nazi rune for the stage at the RNC where they proudly post the "joke" that they are domestic terrorists.

Their side is EXCLUSIVELY made up of Holocaust deniers.

Their side is made up of EXCLUSIVELY of this country's neo Nazis and white supremists

Stephen miller plagiarized Goebbels

Trump kept and read Mein Kampf next to his bed

Trump, Vance, and musk campaign for and donate money to the German AfD party who are KNOWN to be NAZIS

Elon Musk "jokingly" sieg Heiled twice so forcibly that he grunted

They have built, and are still building , concetration camps.

Their new illegal bunker has a, very legal I'm sure, medical research facility in it

They all constantly talk about Eugenics.

They are bringing back public executions

This is all aside from. Their policy decisions. At this point, if I meet you on the street and you say that they ARENT NAZIS, we will have problems

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peteypete420 3 points 3 days ago

Trump read..... bwahahaha thats a good one.

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CrimeIsLegalNow -3 points 3 days ago

Not how exclusively is used in this context and unfortunately not true with the correct phrasing with Yakubites running around some parts of the DNC

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Yuccagnocchiyaki 1 point 3 days ago

Whoa you found a typo, good job refuting, GENIUS

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lechekaflan 15 points 3 days ago

Rear-echelon motherfucker wants to wear Hugo Boss. And maybe something he can't take off.

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adhdsergio 3 points 3 days ago

It is ironic that his flavour of fascism includes adoring israel not hating it. Anyway, he's not smart enough to be a very successful villain, hope to see him removed soon

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Nouvellalia 2 points 3 days ago

They love to force suffering on others.

It's like a pressure release valve for them. When they make others suffer it slightly lessens their own terror for a moment.

Whatever bullshit they have to say or do, incantations, prayers, dumb hats, whatever to get to the part where millions suffer, they'll do it.

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lechekaflan 1 point 3 days ago

his flavour of fascism includes adoring israel not hating it

Obviously for money, for that country is one of the largest purchasers of US military equipment.

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MBech 1 point 3 days ago

Hitler hated the communists, but sided with the Soviet Union until attacking them was his next step.

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adhdsergio 2 points 2 days ago

I don't think this is the case here, but these people are like children playing villains for as long as their power allows them

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Duamerthrax 1 point 3 days ago

They all adore ethno states.

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bedwyr 14 points 4 days ago

Hegseth is just a greasy bitch though. He is no leader.

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BigPotato 13 points 4 days ago

In fairness, Hitler was a greasy little bitch too.

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dellish 3 points 4 days ago

But he was a greasy little bitch who could inspire with words.

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NotEasyBeingGreen 1 point 3 days ago

You don't find:

No fatties, no trannies, no beardos, no weirdos, no wimps, no radicals.

To be inspiring? 🙈

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BigPotato 2 points 2 days ago

Look, I could shit out a more inspiring speech after a night of heavy drinking. The fact that he repeated parts of it tells me he thinks it's clever... Which, although I didn't think it possible, does make me somehow think less of him.

How is it possible to be not just demoralized but also negatively inspiring?

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Rindel 13 points 3 days ago

The new Wolfenstein looks like shit.

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explodicle 4 points 3 days ago

RAM prices

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SalamiDommie 11 points 4 days ago

Yes.. Nazis, they're all Nazis....

Goldberg fallacy in full effect.

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Snowclone 13 points 4 days ago

American fascism was a huge inspiration for German fascists.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 2 points 3 days ago

E.g. Bellamy salute

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SpookyBogMonster 3 points 3 days ago

That wasn't what the Nazis took as inspiration, so much as Jim Crow laws, and the extermination of indigenous peoples.

Lebensraum was just Manifest Destiny for Germans.

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king_comrade 2 points 4 days ago

I'm not familiar with the Goldberg fallacy and a quick google search failed me. What does it mean?

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zbyte64 10 points 4 days ago

Maybe they meant Godwin's law but now it is a fallacy because they really are nazis

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Hupf 8 points 3 days ago

Why skulls though?

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EatMyPixelDust 7 points 4 days ago

What a surprise 🙄

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manuallybreathing 7 points 3 days ago

The eagle is clutching arrows, representing a fasces, the root of the word fascism, representing the power of the state. Traditionally depicted with an axe at the centre, a fasces was a tool used by the roman armu to discipline soldiers. An axe for decapetation, rods for beating.

these things are everywhere un modern nation states, but I'm told it's not important, it doesnt mean what i think it means.

it is also the root of the word f*ggot, a bundle of sticks.

:3

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CrimeIsLegalNow 3 points 3 days ago

Eh, the fasces has a different meaning when you don't include the axe. Unless you think fascism is when people work together.

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wewbull 1 point 2 days ago

Fasces are bundles of sticks, not arrows. The American eagle has always held arrows, along side an olive branch. Peace and aggression juxtaposed. Unless you're saying that the US has always been a fascist state hiding in plain sight, it's not the same symbology.

As to "removed" meaning a bundle of sticks, yes that's one (non-slang) definition of the word. Another is a type of meatball. The slur having any relation to the "bundles of sticks" definition is urban legend

Hegseth has obviously nazified the eagle, and made himself echo Hitler in an ill-fitting suit, for sure, but the links you're coming up with are just bollocks.

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Bieren 6 points 3 days ago

wanna be temu hilter

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Sam_Bass 6 points 4 days ago

unlearned history repeats

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mofongo 16 points 4 days ago

They learned, alright. They found it awesome.

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Sam_Bass 2 points 4 days ago

only thing they learned is how to fuck people over. they are using that knowledge on us even now

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OriginalTangle 1 point 3 days ago

That's true for Trump alright but what this hegseth guy is doing to the army and the Pentagon is more on the culture war side, no? I'm sure there's some corruption as well and of course groundwork for using the military domestically one day but it looks different from the corruption-first approach of Trump.

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Viridian 5 points 4 days ago

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MountingSuspicion 8 points 4 days ago

Hegseth is a Hitler loving alcoholic who is actively ruining America and the world, but the eagle motif was present far before Nazis were a thing. Arrows are also a pretty universal symbol. I'm not saying you can't draw parallels, but it's not like he designed the seal.

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vaultdweller013 8 points 4 days ago

Yeah the US was using eagle and fasci symbolism long before fascism was a thing, because fascists and the founding fathers were both Romaboos. Also before anyone says the founding fathers were fascists id argue they weren't simply because the fascism of their era was the absolute monarchies, they were assholes and hypocritical jackasses though.

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Doomsider 1 point 4 days ago

Proto-fascists.

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vaultdweller013 2 points 4 days ago

Proto would imply that there's a direct line between them and fascism but it's more like a deranged series of foot paths that are just as likely to lead to anarchism. Reminder folks from John Brown to Ho Chi Minh had respect for the revolutionaries even with their own critiques, also as I noted there is a far more direct line from the institutions of feudalism and monarchy to fascism. But political ideology at the time was weird and hard to classify within taxonomy, for example the Utopians who were the proto-socialists explicitly were also pro-slavery because they couldn't think of other ways for mass manufacturing.

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dual_sport_dork 4 points 4 days ago

For instance, the reverse of the US quarter for quite a number of decades:

It's just that in this case they decided to stylize this one to make it look extra Hitlery.

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MountingSuspicion 3 points 4 days ago

The one behind him is actually specifically for the department of defense (he calls it war).

Ctrl+F blue seal on this page: https://www.war.gov/Brand-Guide/

He did initiate a rebranding, but the straight wings have been a feature of this seal since before his rebrand.

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Viridian 2 points 4 days ago

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lol_idk 4 points 4 days ago

Cmon, it’s a really common pose

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UnderpantsWeevil 8 points 4 days ago

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ChairmanMeow 5 points 4 days ago

Not sure the pose is the primary issue here...

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HCSOThrowaway 3 points 3 days ago

How much do you want to bet he studied that exact photo to get the iconography and pose right?

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bleustenns 3 points 2 days ago

We must be more critical as a people of political images these days, the hitler image is AI.. :/

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finallymadeanaccount 1 point 4 days ago

Hitler had one ball. Piss Pot Pete has none.

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Sly2 1 point 3 days ago

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lenocolomo -41 points 4 days ago

Obama raised his Hand like Hitler while waving. It was only for a few moments. What are we even going at atp?

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CIA_chatbot 20 points 4 days ago

Not even close but ok, keep apologizing for Nazis there buddy

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lenocolomo -7 points 4 days ago

Pretty sure I didn't though...

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NotASharkInAManSuit 2 points 4 days ago

You did, though.

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lenocolomo -1 points 3 days ago

Yes you can interpret this. I tried to tell you that I didn't or especially didn't mean too.

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FistingEnthusiast 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah, you did

You're either disingenuous, or dumb

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lenocolomo 0 points 3 days ago

Yes interpreted indirectly. No, didn't mean to and never will.

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ragepaw 9 points 4 days ago

Always with the whataboustism.

Alright, let's play.

A guy who hasn't been in charge of anything of consequence in a decade once did a thing where he raised his arm.

Whatabout ICE murdering people. Whatabout violating the constitution and trying to get rid of right of citizenship. Whatabout violation of the constitution about detainment without cause. Whatbout pulling aid from organizations that kept children alive, causing their deaths. Whatbout violating arms length financial dealing rules. Whatabout deragulating climate policies and making the world objectively fucking worse. Whatbout starting a war that was settled before someone had to put their eensy mushroom stamp on it and caused a global financial meltdown. Whatbout the fucking rapes. Whatabout the fucking cons and grifts.

But yeah... Obama raised his arm...

I could go on for hours whatabouting.

Instead I will say everyone in that administration is a garbage human being supporting a garbage human being and anyone who thinks they are OK or handwaves away their atrocities is also a garbage human being.

They all deserve to burn in the hell they claim to believe in.

Edit: I will also add, anyone who tries to whatabout away atrocities is also a garbage human being.

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UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 4 days ago

Always with the whataboustism.

More a vulgar critique of asthetics without regard for material policy.

I might go with "Hitler Also Invaded North Africa" if I wanted a proper comparison. But you'll get mega-yelled-at if you draw a straight line between Operation Odyssey Lightning and Operation Sonnenblume.

anyone who tries to whatabout away atrocities

President Obama, who hoped to sow peace, instead led the nation in war

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ragepaw 4 points 4 days ago

Deflecting to a guy who has been out of power for a decade is still whataboutism. I don't give a shit about litigating Obama's record when we're actively dealing with someone far fucking worse right now.

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UnderpantsWeevil 1 point 4 days ago

a guy who has been out of power for a decade

You keep bringing up this Adolf fellow, but he hasn't been in power in a long time. So why would he be relevant?

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lenocolomo -2 points 4 days ago

Yes my comment is sh'te, yes I didn't care for the humour in this post, yes I decided to engage in this post. Everything you just said SHOULD though be taken seriously, 'cause it is not just a massive problem but just grotesque, against human rights and absolute fkery.

So, what I'm going at, my comment deserves the hate, but not 'cause of my supposed world views, but rather 'cause I just didn't care for the joke for once.

I'm not going to delete my comment 'cause I know I would do the same as you all.

Pretty sure it is 'cause I'm just pissed off of my fellow leftists doing extreme / just dumb things and saying extreme / just dumb things.

Cheers

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