ICE is reportedly using a Palantir database to compile dossiers on protestors - Engadget

2 days ago by GolfFoxtrotLima to c/technology

cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/...

An attorney representing protestors said this infringes on First Amendment rights.

FlashMobOfOne 36 points 2 days ago

I've always assumed they were profiling protesters. I go to to protests head-to-toe in full costume because of it.

They can try to profile me, but they're just going to get a costume that millions of people own.

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wonderingwanderer 5 points 11 hours ago

Put a pebble in one shoe to remind you to step weird, otherwise they can analyze your gait

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freely1333 -33 points a day ago

Also going to protests is kind of silly because they don’t do anything. No use getting on some government hit list for holding some sign making fun of Trump or ice.

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Jiral 32 points a day ago

Protests don't do anything... which is also why they are completely forbidden in Russia and you'll get arrested for one person protests with blank signs. Coming soon to the US as well.

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FlashMobOfOne 7 points a day ago

Generally, that's true.

But there's one example where protests have made a ton of change recently: Flock has lost 400 contracts since June. But that's because the protests have morphed into people actually going to city council meetings.

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tyler 9 points 18 hours ago

Yeah… that’s how protests work. They change the narrative and get people that won’t go to protests to go to city council meetings or to email or call their government officials.

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architect 1 point 14 hours ago

They have another company. They are just playing us.

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Goodlucksil 22 points a day ago

making fun of protests is exactly the kind of stuff that lands us in voter apathy

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Sintinium 18 points a day ago

Except it literally gathers groups of like minded individuals. Individual we're weak but together we become strong.

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uriel238 5 points 15 hours ago

Actually, they serve two purposes.

One is visibility. They let the public and the state know there is a strong public objection to what is going on. It lets quieter objectors know they are not alone.

And two is provocation. All the state needs to do is work around the protest, and manage it as gently as possible, but too often they give into temptation to send in riot control and bust heads. Fascists are totally into the power trip.

When they do put down protests brutally, it rallies onlookers to the cause. Bystanders become sympathists. Sympathists become activists. Activists become militants. This is standard COIN theory and has been for a very long time.

The US should have learned this lesson during the International War on Terror, during the 2014 Ferguson unrest, during the 2020 George Floyd protests. But this regime is not big on learning things.

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BeardededSquidward -2 points 20 hours ago

At this point I feel people are galvanized already to their beliefs. You have those for this, and those against this, there's little to no room for those calling for both sides to come to an agreement.

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athatet 9 points 20 hours ago

Right: I want to kill trans people

Left: I want me and friends to be left alone

You: can’t we come to some sort of compromise?

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BeardededSquidward 3 points 19 hours ago

I'm not calling for agreement or moderation, pointing out people have taken sides and there's less of the enlightened centrists calling for compromise between genocide and just wanting to live.

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freely1333 -7 points 17 hours ago

Left: I want my trans daughter to dunk on your bio daughter.

At least be honest. And I am on the left but don’t act like the case is literally just let us live our lives vs trans extinction.

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Gpennyhigh 1 point 17 hours ago

Let us not base policy choices on feels, be open to learning proven ways, and use Sagan's baloney detection kit to understand what really helps people do better. People get indoctrinated and brainwashed into unhealthy ideas, tribalism, and use excuse that they don't want to risk their benefits of belonging by questioning them or their feels. They can choose to leave unhealthy ways and meet better people. Maybe thinking is too hard and they don't have time, due to artificial scarcity of these bad policies, or numb with mindless algorithms, so they do what their crowd does, what the media brainwashes them to fear. Critical thinking and doing the right things, actual courage is too hard.

The US has regressed in healthcare and other quality of life, due to the swings back to maga, and people unaware how long it takes to rebuild the destruction they cause each time. Dems rarely have enough majority with the lopsided system, and too many voters don't understand all this and choose to flip back due to feels, and the world is worse off for it... again.

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mHtt 20 points a day ago

its probably much worse.

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DrSoap 9 points 20 hours ago

ICE was raiding specific buildings because they needed to be cleared out for development by the kushners. I'm sure Trumps secret police is capable of anything.

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uriel238 3 points 15 hours ago

I'd love a news article about it.

It affirms that ICE is just a paramilitary agency that is loyal to the regime, and has nothing to do with law enforcement or national security. The police and enforcement assertions are just color.

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DrSoap 4 points 6 hours ago

I don't remember all the details but this is what I could find

This was the building that was raided that his investment firm had ties to: https://abc7chicago.com/...

I did find that some building shares were sold after an unrelated scandal, but I think it was this firm that had ties to the building in Chicago that was blitzed. https://www.rawstory.com/...

I wish I had thae article Im thinking of on hand, but i read it shortly after the raid occurred, so it was about a year ago. I remember reading how this blitz style raid traced back to shady dealings and an investment in real estate by kushner.

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schipelblorp 15 points 2 days ago

Well, if anyone had wanted to change the laws, they had 70 years to do it. COINTELPRO started in 1956 and nobody has put any kind of brakes on surveillance or even torture.

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Delilah 5 points 20 hours ago

I'm not 70 years old, so I have not had 70 years to try and change the laws.

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elbiter 8 points 17 hours ago

Fascists love that kind of stuff. They always do lists of the people they would like to kill.

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minorkeys 6 points 15 hours ago

Americans are in genuine danger from their government and this is only going to get worse. If the midterms fail to affect change through the democratic system, you all are going to have to make a choice between complete capitulation to a group of child raping tyrants, or actually fighting back together. I hate this timeline.

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SnarkoPolo 3 points 15 hours ago

I guaran-fuckin-tee ya, Americans will choose capitulation. There's a very special "The Voice" coming up.

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radiofreebc 5 points 2 days ago

Of course they are. Who doubted they would?

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uriel238 5 points 15 hours ago

After the 9/11 attacks suspected terrorists were put on the no fly list and the Interpol Terrorism Watch List, and we said nothing because they were, well, terrorists.

Except they weren't. Any agent of numerous departments could put anyone on these lists. Soon random Americans with Arabic names discovered they couldn't board their plane. Journalists and protesters found themselves subject to extra search protocols and harassment by law enforcement.

Americans discovered they could be deprived of civil liberties by any officer of the law, who could add them to a list. No justifying reason. No due process. Just, fuck you, civilian.

Eventually existence of these lists became public. At first courts had to compell DHS to allow people to check if they were on the list, and then more suits were necessary to create a process for someone to petition to be taken off the list.

Before Trump 1.0, the process was still labyrinthine and a heavy administrative burden to submit such a petition. I don't know what happened after Trump.

it's entirely in the character of this SCOTUS to decide law enforcement and national security agencies can make lists of enemies of state as they see fit, and deny people on the list equal protection under law.

And now we have super database engines like Palantir, so of course, Ice has a little list / has a little list. It'll be more interesting to see how the courts respond. Due process isn't what it used to be.

I still fantasize that NGOs should create a database of ICE employees so they can be tracked and brought to justice. Dunno if that's actually happening.

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Gpennyhigh 4 points 18 hours ago

These bad trees keep bearing bad fruit, makes sense, they always bear poison.

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anon_8675309 -3 points 2 days ago

People are still protesting?

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FlashMobOfOne 19 points a day ago

They are.

And in fact, people just doing good old fashioned protesting and testifying are accomplishing great things, like getting almost 400 Flock contracts killed since June. I made a video about it.

You might imagine that billionaires aren't much inclined to report on such things, and they own all of the major news outlets.

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4am -8 points a day ago

It’s giving

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