Real question: what would you prefer? Its pretty clear we arent gonna riot. Its also pretty clear if people keep discouraging voting, we're gonna have a republican majority again. Whats the point in voting for someone who 80% of the party isnt going to vote for, while 100% of conservatives vote for the guy their overlord demands.

Did you vote in your Democratic primary for a progressive candidate?

Does anybody know the names of the many many deaths under the drone king Obama or whoever?
No because they were Mexicans, Philippino or whatever.
Of course when they show up in white areas and even start killing white people the libs care, it's big news and the victims get a name. Poor Renee and Alex!
These are your voters and what that comment means.
A bunch of hypocrites

The job of a political representative is to represent their constituency. One should therefore expect them to pursue policy that is popular amongst their voterbase. This is not the case in the US however 1 2

I'm not american and don't live in the states but even I remember this: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/...

According to a leaked internal government document, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) deployed more than 700 personnel in the Washington, D.C. area alone. Most of the officers were from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). They provided “support” to other federal law enforcement bodies responding to protests in the city and near the White House.

See also, from 2018: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/...

While some of the sharpest liberal voices calling for ICE’s abolition have calmed, in part amid a recognition by leading Democratic strategists that the campaign could backfire, the agency has clearly been thrust into the center of a polarized national narrative in an unprecedented way. Attacked in some circles, the agency is being lionized elsewhere. Vice President Mike Pence recently told ICE agents they were “American heroes.” And eager to capitalize on a wedge issue important to its base, the White House on August 20 held a “Salute to the Heroes” of ICE and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which like ICE is a DHS agency.

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Thus, the issue turned into a litmus test for many Democratic candidates. Possible presidential contenders took up the cry next: first, Senators Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) and Elizabeth Warren (MA), and eventually Bernie Sanders (VT), who initially refused to call for ICE’s dissolution. Gillibrand also seemed to conflate ICE’s responsibilities with those of CBP, saying, “When we flip the House and flip the Senate, I think the first thing we should do is deal with the children who are being separated from their families at the border. I think we should get rid of ICE.”

And the pushback on Obama for his enforcement: https://www.aclu.org/...

I'm also ancient and remember when ICE was created, and how scary the homeland security act was (and is) and the protests against it. It's absolutely wild how normalized all that stuff is now.

Liberals seriously can't help but reveal their lack of object permanence

You already memory holed Trump's first term?

Lmao are you 12?? There were straight up riots because of ICE under Trump 1

Wow just proving you're a white liberal without any immigrant friends.

They've been a fucking menace since day one, but I guess since they only ever bothered brown people before it didn't matter to you.

Admitting to being uninformed isn't a good look, lol.

Haha what the fuck? Really showing that you just started paying attention very recently

he also got Nobel Peace Prize for literally nothing

I believe this is the main reason Trump believes he deserves one too.

This “lets focus on the now” line I see some of you oafs expouse only helps to shield fascists.

It's also what Democrats LOVE to do when finally elected.

Considering that there's basically just Dems and Reps on the ballots *checks notes* literally right NOW, and your post is definitely anti Democrat, I can only infer you want Republikkkans to be voted for an win.

Incorrect. But thanks for playing!

By this logic, is dying the same as voting Republican?

Do you think what ICE is doing now is a fundamental shift from caused the initial outrage during the last admin, rather than just a jump in magnitude?

Certainly ICE has shifted from its typical operation in previous administrations. The asylum policy was overhauled. Thousands more ICE agents were hired to conduct militarized raids with little to no oversight. The degree of evidence required for deportation has been lowered. Judicial review has been curtailed and ignored. These are significant changes.

But the point I make is that the image presents a false premise. Democrats and Republicans agree that illegal immigration should be prevented. ICE is the agency tasked with this by each administration and it makes sense that it would be funded.

Feel free to verify this against the Democratic party platform by year.

If the behavior of the first admin was so abhorrent, wouldn't it be critical to ensure a future government couldn't as easily do the same or worse?

It's not so easy to prevent a future government from doing something. Even constitutional change, which is usually a very high bar, can be overruled by a judge or ignored if people allow it. Maybe the best protection is an informed, active public like in France? Not really sure -- what do you think?

When did ICE become yet another version of Gestapo?

I was going to write "instrument of opression", but state is one by definition, so need to be more specific

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025190

The One Big Beautiful Bill Act (the Bill that gave I.C.E. a huge budget increase), not a single Dem voted for it.

https://ballotpedia.org/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act

Seems like a downward trend from the post 9/11 days.

Done, see my other comments

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Where you even born then? The same agency existed before 2003. That was just a name change. After 2001, everything changed. But it was nothing like what exists now. I'd like to see how you guys are doing anything to help humanity and not further it's destruction. I agree most/all politicians are are selfish assholes. Most of humanity probably deserves to die off. Any number of man made disasters are ready to make that happen. The USA is already dying. China will likely be next dominant power. But just saying fuck Democrats is pointless. What does "join the revolution" actually mean? Just sow more chaos?

Moreover, all of the instances where an ICE agent shot a member of the public were commited by agents who had been with ICE for years. The brutality is part of the fabric of the agency. Abolish.

Your brain on Blue No Matter Who

incomprehensible gibberish