Being Mean to Scabs Is Working

3 years ago by jeffw to c/news

Drew Barrymore and Bill Maher are now not resuming their shows amid strikes.

MargotRobbie 136 points 3 years ago

If these scabs really need something to do to kill time during the strike, might I suggest moderating an online forum?

It's fun.

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esadatari 45 points 3 years ago

thanks margot!

i really appreciate you taking the time out of your normally-busy schedule to just be in the river of shit with the rest of us. really makes us feel like our trudge work is worth some respect.

loved you in barbie, btw.

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MargotRobbie 41 points 3 years ago

Hey, gotta try new things when you have time right?

Kinda owe it to you guys for me doing the movie promo here.

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MartinXYZ 2 points 3 years ago

You did a Barbie promo on Lemmy?

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MargotRobbie 5 points 3 years ago

I mean, have you ever wondered why !reddit@lemmy.world has that banner?

Check my older comments too.

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Chickenstalker 15 points 3 years ago

Just grow weed and sell them.

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ChunkMcHorkle 13 points 3 years ago

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MargotRobbie 24 points 3 years ago

Ask our admins. I can handle the android comm OK, but just need energy to do some writing.

If you like, please help out Gabe at literature.cafe, he's nice, and I do want to see more creative writing stuff here.

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CaptainAniki 13 points 3 years ago
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MartinXYZ 2 points 3 years ago

just need energy to do some writing.

Watch it! You're on strike, remember?

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MargotRobbie 3 points 3 years ago

The WGA rules only prohibits writing for struck companies.

Also, you do realize WGA and SAG-AFTRA are two different unions, right?

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JustZ 131 points 3 years ago

For those who don't know:

Jack London, Ode to the Scab. 1916.

After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab."

"A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles."

"When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."

"No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself." A scab has not.

"Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army." The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class."

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PrincessLeiasCat 14 points 3 years ago

That is fantastic.

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I_Fart_Glitter 12 points 3 years ago

What did a toad ever do to anybody? And rattlesnakes are just being rattlesnakes. They're polite enough to generally warn you to go away before they bite you.

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JustZ 6 points 3 years ago

Well, I think rattlesnakes used to be a lot more common. Like maybe you never got bit, but you definitely knew someone, or someone's kid, that did, and they likely died in utter agony. Pretty much hunted them to near extinction, along with wolves. We go hard on earth.

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UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN 5 points 3 years ago
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solstice 2 points 3 years ago

He's one of the GOATs, how could they possibly hate him?

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UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN 2 points 3 years ago
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Fedizen 2 points 3 years ago

Benedict, tbh, not the worst guy

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vaultdweller013 4 points 3 years ago

Plus it was at the time of his betrayal the revolution looked like it was gonna fail. And he wouldve been right if the United States wasnt born of the same crack addled main protagonist syndrome Rome was born with.

Seriously the US and Rome are both the empire equivalent of a crack addled lunatic who has fought trains and won.

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meyotch 99 points 3 years ago

It's why the right wing invented 'cancel culture', to try to demonize people banding together to change things. This kind of public pressure is a form of people-power. There's a nasty side to it all, but this is an existential battle for the writers and a mild inconvenience to Drew and Bill. I know what side I'm on.

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markr 18 points 3 years ago

It’s only ok to ‘cancel’ if a trans woman promotes a shitty beer. Otherwise it’s a problem.

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ram 1 point 3 years ago

Bud light wasn't canceled, it was boycotted.

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markr 1 point 3 years ago
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givesomefucks 0 points 3 years ago

The worst thing about that is when people stopped buying it because they immediately did a 180 on it. And the media said it was all because of rightwingers even after the company did what they wanted.

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Syrc -93 points 3 years ago

Cancel culture is fucking terrible in most cases. Let’s not excuse it because of some rare cases where it achieved something good.

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Nurse_Robot 28 points 3 years ago

Do you have any specific examples? I assume you must, since according to you, most of the cases are fucking terrible.

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LucasWaffyWaf 27 points 3 years ago

Well there were the Dixie Chicks getting canceled by conservatives for opposing the war. Probably not an example the fella you're replying to wants to admit to, tho.

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MisterScruffy 8 points 3 years ago

You could call it cancel culture or your could just call it pissing off your fanbase. This has always existed and will always exist. I don't agree with the old dixie chicks fanbase but if they thought they could be antiwar and keep playing on country radio they were very misled.

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Syrc 4 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the assumption, saying that getting people to support a strike is a good thing is something most right-wing people do I guess.

Wanna add Sinead O’Connor to people harmed by right-wing cancel culture, for example? The list doesn’t even stop there.

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Syrc -11 points 3 years ago

Jenna Marbles? Kentaro Kobayashi? Pretty much anyone who got “cancelled” for stuff they said or did 10 years before?

People should be held accountable for what they’re currently doing, ruining a career for something that happened ages ago which no one at the time found wrong is just stupid.

EDIT: Meanwhile, can you tell me some other examples of cancel culture actually doing something good? Because looking at common examples it seems pretty much every time it targeted someone who actually deserved it nothing came out of that (JK Rowling, Chris Brown… even people like Hulk Hogan or Kanye West are still around and doing sold-outs)

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stewie3128 9 points 3 years ago

Sounds like you're complaining about the free market. People don't like something that was unearthed about someone, so they don't support them.

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uncouthterran 6 points 3 years ago

"Cancel culture" is a bit of a loaded term and so the replies to you have been somewhat charged. Most people view the situations public figures find them in as just the necessary consequences of their actions. And like you, I agree that each situation should warrant a measured response from individuals based on the severity of the issue. It's okay to not want to support people you don't agree with, especially when the reason is agregious or harmful to others. The issue then is that everyone uses the same cudgel in the same manner for every crime regardless of severity.

But sure, if you don't want to support someone for even the smallest of infractions, that's your right. No one can take that from you. I may not agree but I support your right to do so. My only wish is that we at least give pause to think about the high bar for acceptable behavior we're putting on public figures. I am as much for accountability as the next person, but I also think we're humans capable of mistakes and capable of change. And right now, I don't think a culture of grace is necessarily present online. We don't have to tolerate hate or harm, but we can leave room for redemption. Maybe I'm being naive, I don't know. But that's my take.

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samus12345 20 points 3 years ago

I never understood this view. What's so terrible about not supporting people or things you don't agree with? That's what people should be doing.

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Syrc -13 points 3 years ago

It’s not about not supporting, it’s generating outrage online about stuff nobody cared about until the day before.

I’m all for not supporting people who don’t deserve it, I regularly do it too. But one thing is ignoring and another is actively harassing people for stuff they probably already forgot about.

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samus12345 18 points 3 years ago

Boycotting and harassing are two very different things, and "cancel culture" is a right-wing buzzword that conflates them.

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CileTheSane 10 points 3 years ago

it’s generating outrage online about stuff nobody cared about until the day before.

Oh you mean like Critical Race Theory, Drag Shows, and getting vaccinated?

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bobman 0 points 3 years ago

it’s generating outrage online about stuff nobody cared about until the day before.

Kind of like the 'f' word? What about trans rights? Yeah, I remember when 'nobody cared about that' until, you know, they did.

We're growing up as a species. You can choose to join us or get left behind.

You already have some catching up to do.

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markr 19 points 3 years ago

Why do I have to support shitty people?

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Syrc -20 points 3 years ago

Again, as I said in other comments, I’m not talking about boycotting. You obviously shouldn’t support people you don’t like. But you also shouldn’t create online campaigns against them, unless they’re currently doing something bad and you want it to stop, which is not the case most of the time.

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frezik 10 points 3 years ago

"Boycotts" are large scale campaign. Nobody cares if a few odd people don't buy a product; it's en-mass or it's just belly aching. You're making a distinction that does not exist.

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markr 6 points 3 years ago

So for example Harvey Weinstein gets a pass on all his shitty rapey behavior? How long in the past does it need to be? What is the ‘statute of limitations’ on shitty activities?

The Marbles woman did some shitty stuff. She agreed what she did was shit but issued the standard non-apology apology that she didn’t intend to hurt anyone with her shitty awful shit. Also she just quit. Apparently she made so much money it didn’t matter.

I have no idea who kobayashi is other than a guy who quit the hot dog eating competition.

If this is all you’ve got, it’s pretty thin sauce.

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reichtangle 5 points 3 years ago

I think you are getting confused about the definition of cancel culture.

Definition one: Not supporting celebrities when their problematic actions come to light. This is the one that was made to prevent people from banding against or facing consequences for their actions.

Definition two: A harassment campaign where people bring up actions from years ago even when they changed, taking things wildly out of context, and calling out in bad faith to bully small-scale content creators.

The commentor is talking about definition one here, and it seems that you are talking about definition two.

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bobman 0 points 3 years ago

unless they’re currently doing something bad

Ahh, this is his issue. He thinks that people should get a pass because they've gotten away with doing bad things in the past.

Essentially, if you don't catch them in the act, then you shouldn't get to criticize them or hold them accountable.

What a shitty take, probably from a shitty person who wants to be held to the same shitty standard so they can get away with similar shitty behavior.

I feel bad for those close to you that have to put up with that.

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h3mlocke 13 points 3 years ago

CANCELLED!

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h3mlocke 7 points 3 years ago
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olympicyes 2 points 3 years ago

“Cancel culture” is a catch-all slur. You can tell it’s effective because of how you phrased your post instead of considering who is being “canceled” and the reason for it. Bad guys are trying to catch a free pass by highlighting less serious offenses and calling it the same thing.

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Syrc -1 points 3 years ago

I don’t really see it like that, unless it’s something mainly done on right-wing circles.

If people don’t want to stay on Twitter or Facebook because of all the stuff their owners are doing, that’s not Cancel Culture, that’s just having a brain. To me, a response to serious offenses is definitely not cancel culture, you can’t “cancel” billionaires.

If not “cancel culture” though, what would you call what happens to those “less serious” offenders? Just “large-scale harassment”?

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totallynotarobot 96 points 3 years ago

Double fuck you to the crew on top of the scabbiness.

"Y'all been out of work for months, have a gig that doesn't cross a line. JUST KIDDING"

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hypelightfly 24 points 3 years ago

They should join a union.

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totallynotarobot 22 points 3 years ago

If they're not already IATSE (which I'd assume they are), how would that help here? IATSE members all over the continent are out of work right now, being represented doesn't change that. Nor does it change how much it sucks to get jerked around by twits like this.

Your comment makes no sense.

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stewie3128 11 points 3 years ago

IATSE isn't part of the strike. Most likely because AMPTP would find a way to make American Gladiators with non-union labor, which would be a body blow to the union.

If you're IATSE, you're working right now, because the union isn't on strike.

Edit: upon re-re-re-reading your comment, I now think you're saying that the crew got fucked over, which I wholeheartedly agree with.

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totallynotarobot 6 points 3 years ago

Why are you under the impression IATSE is working right now?

But yes, main point was: crew got fucked over.

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Mac 53 points 3 years ago

I'm so tired of PR filled apologies by celebrities. Eat shit.

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MargotRobbie 26 points 3 years ago

Sorry for not wearing pants. :(

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craigers 16 points 3 years ago

That's OK Margot Robbie. We like it when you don't wear pants.

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UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN 2 points 3 years ago
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havokdj 2 points 3 years ago

In the US, pants specifically refer to what the British call trousers, joggers, and pajamas. The US doesn't use the word trousers to describe pants, but the latter two are used interchangeably with their respective word and pants.

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Semi-Hemi-Demigod 44 points 3 years ago path: 0 3575939, hotness: undefined, score: 44, children: 1
valkyrie 4 points 3 years ago

Sometimes it is unavoidable unfortunately. Had to cross the picket line at the hospital where my grandma was dying.

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magnetosphere 31 points 3 years ago

TIL that Dancing with the Stars still exists.

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Snapz 24 points 3 years ago

Exists to reinvigorate the "careers" of terrible right wing chuds like tucker carlson and sean spicer. Garbage.

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magnetosphere 0 points 3 years ago

Clearly garbage, but gif of either of those guys dancing could be awesome.

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Maeve 13 points 3 years ago

And The View. i I unplugged and it’s amazing what I haven’t been missing.

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Son_of_dad 8 points 3 years ago

Dude, survivor is still around. Reality shows don't end, ever.

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BonesOfTheMoon 1 point 3 years ago

Well American Idol did end for a little bit.

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archiotterpup 29 points 3 years ago

Always be mean to scabs.

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_number8_ 23 points 3 years ago

this is why it kinda annoys me when people are like 'posting doesn't actually do anything' -- true, sure, but sometimes it kinda can, sometimes, and making your voice and argument heard is better than being silent

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bobman 13 points 3 years ago

That's like saying 'communicating doesn't do anything.'

It's just a tactic from bad actors to convince people they shouldn't be fighting back.

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electrogamerman 9 points 3 years ago

Posting definitely does things. It just needs to reach a lot of people and the right people.

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MedicPigBabySaver 20 points 3 years ago

They're still scabs for even thinking about a return. Fuck those pieces of garbage.

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NickwithaC 2 points 3 years ago

Pregress over perfection. Be glad they listened to the response and adjusted, otherwise they may as well have not bothered and gone ahead anyway.

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S_H_K 17 points 3 years ago

Bill Maher wasn't complaining about the "crystal generation" not long ago? He folded?

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UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN 6 points 3 years ago
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Hallainzil 13 points 3 years ago

Literally the only thing that makes Maher not a conservative in the US is that he's anti-religon. In any other developed country, he's comfortably a right wing conservative.

Plus, regardless of political leanings, he's an asshole.

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UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN 3 points 3 years ago
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DarthBueller 3 points 3 years ago

I could never put my finger on why Bill Maher pissed me off so much and has such a small audience compared to other so-called "liberal" commentators - it's because he's an asshole that pisses off the left and right equally, but for entirely different reasons. Thanks.

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HawlSera 2 points 3 years ago

Crystal Generation?

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S_H_K 4 points 3 years ago

He said that millennials complain too much and are always on the brink of a nervous breakdown and how boomers needed to be in charge. So I guess one crystal by itself even though sharp isn't much of a threat. But when they are together is pretty dangerous like the cave of swords in Mexico.

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HawlSera 1 point 3 years ago

I wonder if you missed the part where we Millennials are on the brink of a nervous breakdown, because the boomers are in charge

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S_H_K 2 points 3 years ago

He missed it they are his words.

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art 16 points 3 years ago

Pick a scab and they fall off.

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xc2215x 2 points 3 years ago

Good.

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bobman 1 point 3 years ago
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bobman -9 points 3 years ago

I dunno, seems like all the shitty actors and writers are striking.

Good thing, imo. The faster we can replace them with AI, the better.

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afraid_of_zombies -11 points 3 years ago

Multimillionaires fighting with other multimillionaires isn't exactly what I think of when I think of scab vs union.

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assassin_aragorn 18 points 3 years ago

Some quick math to put things into perspective:

  • 25,000 seconds = ~7 hours
  • 40,000 seconds = 11 hours
  • 75,000 seconds = ~21 hours
  • 100,000 seconds = ~1.2 days
  • 250,000 seconds = ~2.9 days
  • 500,000 seconds = ~5.8 days
  • 1,000,000 seconds = ~11.6 days
  • 5,000,000 seconds = 57.9 days
  • 10,000,000 seconds = 115.7 days
  • 100,000,000 seconds = 3.2 years
  • 1,000,000,000 seconds = 31.7 YEARS

Like it or not, the multimillionaires are far closer to us than they are to billionaires. It's not even close. Even at 100,000,000 you're far closer to the everyday person.

So yes, I consider a union of actors to be a union, even if the actors are making millions. Our common enemy is still the billionaires and corporations, who are wealthy beyond imagination.

Besides, actors tend to be liberal and do a lot of philanthropy. It's probably because with all their wealth, they still feel closer to the common person and remember their upbringing.

Solidarity means all workers, even the ones who get paid too much. Don't fall for the divisions that billionaires want to create.

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SpaceCowboy 10 points 3 years ago

It's also important to remember that most actors aren't multi-millionaires, only the famous ones are.

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assassin_aragorn 5 points 3 years ago

Yep. Actors who don't have named roles probably aren't making close to millions, maybe a couple hundred k at best. More likely less. Actors who've accumulated a reputation but are in things like TV shows or Netflix movies are closer to a few million. It's why those actors, despite having popular acclaim, are still very down to earth.

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doom_and_gloom 5 points 3 years ago
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assassin_aragorn 1 point 3 years ago

If anything, their wealth makes them incredibly powerful allies. They have influence and they've been able to take a closer look at the process. The actors striking gave the writers a much needed boost. It's corny, but I saw a meme for Avengers Infinity War which portrayed the writers and the heroes struggling against the invasion in Wakanda, and then SAG leadership was Thor coming in and turning the tides. It's obviously a joke, but I think it fits fairly well as an analogy. The Screen Actors Guild is a massive asset.

The investment accounts are an interesting point though. With how it works, a lot of Americans technically own little bits and pieces of the means of production, but not enough to influence things. I'd argue the famous actors probably don't have much influence either as investors, despite having a lot more invested.

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doom_and_gloom 1 point 3 years ago
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olympicyes 7 points 3 years ago

The multimillionaires that are supporting the union don’t are doing so because either A) it’s the right thing to do, or B) because the studios may inadvertently trigger the destruction of Hollywood because of greed. Whether because of altruism or mutual self-interest, it’s the right thing to do.

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afraid_of_zombies -4 points 3 years ago

Sure fine whatever but it is stretching the bloody terms. There is a world of differenxe between a near minimum wage sheet metal worker whose family is on food stamps and someone who makes more in a year than most Americans earn in a lifetime.

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olympicyes 9 points 3 years ago

That assumes that all actors and screenwriters make more in a year than most in a lifetime. In reality they work from job to job, paycheck to paycheck. I know a few people who work in production in Hollywood. They tell me that working on a tv show used to mean steady employment, but now can mean just 4 weeks of work for writers and creative types.

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orangebussycat -12 points 3 years ago

The protest is meaningless. AI will eliminate most of these jobs and there's nothing that can be done about it.

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NightAuthor 3 points 3 years ago

It can at least be delayed while everyone figures out wtf they’re going to do.

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orangebussycat -2 points 3 years ago

Line up for unemployment?

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MrBusinessMan -36 points 3 years ago

Calling people who are just trying to work and make a living “scabs” is dehumanizing language. Not surprising from the so-called tolerant left.

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SassyGumsquatch 19 points 3 years ago

Go lick some boots

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MrBusinessMan -15 points 3 years ago

I’m hereby announcing that people who the left vilifies and dehumanizes with hurtful words like “scab” are always welcome to work at any of my businesses.

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SassyGumsquatch 12 points 3 years ago

Your business is licking shit off boots

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markr 6 points 3 years ago

But it pays min wage so we should support this shitlicker.

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MrBusinessMan -6 points 3 years ago

None of my businesses are about boot cleaning, but even if they were, it wouldn’t be me doing it, it would be my employees.

Just so you know, the people you cruelly slander with such gross language as “scab” are actually some of the hardest workers. They don’t make absurd demands for more pay and luxurious pampered conditions, they just show up and do the work and take whatever they are given. The way it should be.

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jeffw 8 points 3 years ago

Congrats, your business is now patronized by everyone the left hates. Enjoy all the Nazis

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MrBusinessMan -4 points 3 years ago

The real Nazis are the people calling me mean names and being rude to me on the internet just for having a different opinion.

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SassyGumsquatch 1 point 3 years ago
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oatscoop 14 points 3 years ago

Guys, look at the username. I'm pretty sure this is a "character" account.

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assassin_aragorn 7 points 3 years ago

Yep, I recognize their username. I can't tell if it's trolling or satire.

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Chunk 7 points 3 years ago

I'm not tolerant. Strike Breakers are (generally) awful. We can come up with specific and contrived exceptions ("A poor single disabled ill mother of 9") but that's kind of irrelevant.

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Piers 4 points 3 years ago

It's a troll account. They're intentionally making bootlicking comments everywhere to get a rise from people.

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