Antimatter falls down, not up: CERN experiment confirms theory

3 years ago by boem to c/science

Observing this simple phenomenon had eluded physicists for decades.
someguy3 91 points 3 years ago

Huh I didn't know antimatter was a completely confirmed thing.

After making a thin gas of thousands of antihydrogen atoms, researchers pushed it up a 3-metre-tall vertical shaft surrounded by superconducting electromagnetic coils. These can create a kind of magnetic ‘tin can’ to keep the antimatter from coming into contact with matter and annihilating. Next, the researchers let some of the hotter antiatoms escape, so that the gas in the can got colder, down to just 0.5 °C above absolute zero — and the remaining antiatoms were moving slowly.

The researchers then gradually weakened the magnetic fields at the top and bottom of their trap — akin to removing the lid and base of the can — and detected the antiatoms using two sensors as they escaped and annihilated. When opening any gas container, the contents tend to expand in all directions, but in this case the antiatoms’ low velocities meant that gravity had an observable effect: most of them came out of the bottom opening, and only one-quarter out of the top.

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LanternEverywhere 66 points 3 years ago

You may have heard of a "PET scan" used in medicine. This uses a type of antimatter called a positron.

https://bigthink.com/...

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float 15 points 3 years ago

The complexity behind this is fascinating.

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joelthelion 5 points 3 years ago

Just wait until you find out about MRI :)

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float 6 points 3 years ago

That's pretty awesome too, but they don't need molecules with atoms that were modified using particle colliders just minutes/hours before you need them.

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JohnDClay 61 points 3 years ago

That might be dark matter you're thinking about

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someguy3 18 points 3 years ago

Maybe!

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BloodSlut 31 points 3 years ago

Not only does it exist, but bananas give off a fair bit of antimatter due to their decaying potassium isotopes.

Allegedly, im not smart enough to verify it

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plistig 27 points 3 years ago

Would an anti-banana give off normal matter?

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Sargteapot 18 points 3 years ago

Does it matter?

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taigaman 20 points 3 years ago

I don't think it would antimatter

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768 15 points 3 years ago

AFAIK, yes, you might wanna look into β+- and β־-decay

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marcos 5 points 3 years ago

AFAIK, yes.

There are some very small differences between matter and anti-matter, but I don't think any of them affect radioactivity.

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sushibowl 21 points 3 years ago

Bananas produce antimatter, but just barely. The main radioactive material in bananas is Potassium-40. A banana is about 0.358% potassium in all. About 0.012% of naturally occurring potassium is the radioactive Potassium-40. Only 0.001% of all radioactive decay events in postassium-40 produce an antiparticle (a positron).

An average banana produces a single positron about every 75 minutes.

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Evil_incarnate 7 points 3 years ago

Brb. Making a fruit-based matter-antimatter annihilation power plant.

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Redditiscancer789 3 points 3 years ago

You kid but as a kid when I learned about potatoes and lemon batteries I was like "SCALE THIS UP NOW!"

...if only...

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scarabic 2 points 3 years ago

That’s fucking awesome.

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wols 6 points 3 years ago

El psy kongroo

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ekZepp 4 points 3 years ago

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postmateDumbass 8 points 3 years ago

We need a Far Side where ape scientists are colliding two bannanas at high speed

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ChickenAndRice 4 points 3 years ago
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SkyeStarfall 27 points 3 years ago

Antimatter was first observed physically back in 1932. A positron, more specifically. Its existence has been confirmed, and accepted, for ages, and some of our technology already operates using antimatter to do its tasks.

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orrk 17 points 3 years ago

anti-matter? ya, we have been observing it for quite a while (testing is difficult for reasons), it naturally accumulates in parts of the Van Allen belt.

Dark matter on the other hand is still completely up for question

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FlyingSquid 16 points 3 years ago

The Large Hadron Collider wouldn't work if antimatter wasn't confirmed.

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elbarto777 3 points 3 years ago
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FlyingSquid 2 points 3 years ago

Because it involves colliding protons and antiprotons.

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_Z1useri 4 points 3 years ago

No, it either does proton-proton collisions or heavy ions, both regular matter. At TeV energies the added energy from anihalating matter with antimatter isn't that much of a contribution anymore that it would justify the added complexity.

Its predecessor collided positrons with electrons though. But the LEP was more for precise refinement of known interactions and not so much about reaching the highest possible energies.

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elbarto777 1 point 3 years ago
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RagingHungryPanda 18 points 3 years ago
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stebo02 3 points 3 years ago

How? Pro doesn't mean positive. If anything they'd be called contons.

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RagingHungryPanda 3 points 3 years ago
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JohnDClay 9 points 3 years ago

Hmm interesting. I wondered if it would be attracted or repelled by matter. It does annihilate when it comes in contact with mater, right?

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Davel23 19 points 3 years ago

The reason antimatter is "anti" is that an antiparticle has the opposite charge of its non-anti counterpart. Electrons have a negative charge, while their antiparticles, positrons have a positive charge. And since opposite charges attract, well, I think you can figure it out from there.

And yes, matter/antimatter interactions result in annihilation.

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Plibbert 7 points 3 years ago

What exactly does "annihilation" mean in this context. Do both "atoms" give off energy and convert to sub atomic particles? Does one atom kind of "win" over the other and undergo fission instead of complete annihilation?

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Contramuffin 15 points 3 years ago

At this tiny scale, energy and mass are essentially equivalent. So when we say that matter annihilates, we mean that they transform into pure energy (in this case, as photons of light). They don't break into subatomic particles, because that still counts as mass. They just simply cease to exist.

As a side note, the "conversion rate" of mass into energy (and vice versa) is governed by Einstein's E=mc^2. All this equation means is that it takes a ridiculous amount of energy to create a small amount of mass, and vice versa, it only takes a small amount of mass to create a ridiculous amount of energy. Because antimatter annihilates completely (ie, 100% of its mass, as well as 100% of the regular matter's mass, gets converted into energy), antimatter is currently the most explosive thing known to mankind

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Plibbert 9 points 3 years ago

Ok that makes sense.

Man that's pretty wild to think about. If antimatter was created at the same time as matter in the same quantity and distribution, then why are we here. Why didn't the entire universe essentially cancel itself out? Was there some factor that benefited regular matter or hindered antimatter? Is there some level of chaos on the atomic or subatomic scale that played in regular matter being the dominant? Has some crazy philosophical implications.

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BT_7274 8 points 3 years ago

If I understand it correctly, annihilation is a 100% efficient process that converts all the matter into energy. After the process is complete there is no matter left over and only energy in the form of light, heat, and other energy forms that go way over my head remains.

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drbluefall 4 points 3 years ago

Annihilation means exactly that - both particles destroy each other on contact, releasing the energy that composed them.

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TheOnlyMego 4 points 3 years ago

For the simple case of electron-positron annihilation, they transform into high-energy photons, whose total energy is equal to the total mass-energy of the electron and positron. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/...

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Davel23 3 points 3 years ago

While atoms can be comprised of antimatter the interactions are generally on a subatomic level, i.e. electron/positron, and proton/antiproton. Since particles/antiparticles are identical to their counterparts aside from charge any such interactions are total with nothing left over other than the resulting energy release usually in the form of photons. The results of an atom reacting with an anti-atom could have a variety of results depending on the differences in weight between the two. Exactly what those results might be is a bit beyond my lay-understanding of the process.

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scarabic 1 point 3 years ago

Isn’t “falling up” just another way of saying that it’s repelled by matter?

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JohnDClay 1 point 3 years ago

Yes

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dudinax 9 points 3 years ago

But from the antimatter's perspective, it falls up.

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cmbabul 4 points 3 years ago

Then it really is lost!

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hansl 2 points 3 years ago

What happens to Australian antimatter?

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orrk 2 points 3 years ago

it falls to the earth, like you would expect normal matter to do above the equator

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Sibbo 8 points 3 years ago

So then it is not really antimatter in the sense that it is completely opposite?

So antimatter still has positive mass?

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LanternEverywhere 40 points 3 years ago

In my limited understanding, antimatter just means the particles have the opposite charge of normal matter. All other attributes are not part of the definition of antimatter.

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Bipta -2 points 3 years ago

Charge isn't the right word, although I'm not sure what the right word is. Otherwise you've got it right.

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LanternEverywhere 33 points 3 years ago

No, charge is the right word. But i was wrong about charge being the only difference, apparently antimatter's "parity" and "time" are also opposite of normal matter. Whatever that means.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter

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magoosh 16 points 3 years ago

The word is charge-parity. All physical systems (at least I'm quantum physics, I cant speak for other fields) are symmetric (nothing changes) if you change C(harge), P(arity) and T(ime reversal) at the same time. This is called CPT symmetry, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPT_symmetry

As antimatter can be described as normal matter going back in time (see the other comment), it means antimatter can also be described as normal matter transformed under the C and P operators. If T(particle) = antiparticle and CPT(particle) = particle then CP(particle) = antiparticle also.

And the reason you can reverse time is because most of the equations are quadratic: they have a positive and negative solution, one describes particles moving forward in time, the other solution describes antiparticles going backward in time.

NB: in quantum field theory it gets slightly more complicated, lets leave that as homework ;)

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redcalcium 4 points 3 years ago

The Feynman–Stueckelberg interpretation states that antimatter and antiparticles are regular particles traveling backward in time.[18]

So just like in Tenet?

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Bipta 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the source. Looks like I have some learning to do.

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stebo02 2 points 3 years ago

Duh. Negative mass doesn't exist. Antiparticles just have an opposite charge.

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hperrin 1 point 3 years ago

Why would anyone think it would fall up?

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edryd 6 points 3 years ago

Because there is no theory of quantum gravity we have no idea how gravity could interact with anti matter. By showing that antimatter behaves just like matter when interacting with gravity we can learn a lot about it and cut the number of possible theories of quantum gravity in half.

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match 3 points 3 years ago

Because things exist

(the antigravity hypothesis was an attempt to explain why matter and antimatter haven't annihilated each other)

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foyrkopp 2 points 3 years ago

Because one common assumption was that the universe might contain as much antimatter as matter.

Which begs the question: Where did it go? We would notice a huge amount of annihilation reactions in the solar system.

"Antimatter falls up" (is gravitationally repelled instead of attracted by normal matter) was an easy hypothesis to explain that.

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dana 1 point 3 years ago
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InternetTubes -3 points 3 years ago
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