My god that brought back memories. The first commands when sitting at a new terminal was always, always:

stty sane

stty erase '^H'

It was well into the 2000s before Unix had useable defaults.

God, I remember the backspace thing. I hope whoever allowed a computer to be shipped in that condition got fired.

Emacs opening when you hit a mailto link is still an annoyance.

You can use nano without having to read anything about nano. That might be the only thing that is better about it than vim, but it's a damn important thing.

it's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it does one job and that's all there is to it

That's what the people who like it like about it.

That’s it’s job

What else is there for it to do?

nano is just... There when you need a text editor for something. Simple and purposeful

Now that you've mentioned it. Notepad is also a pretty decent enough tool for windows users. Nothing fancy, but nothing bad either.

It has syntax highlighting and mouse support.

Thats all you really need

Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It's usable as an editor but overkill.

Nano serves a difference purpose. It's like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better.

It just makes a lot of stuff way easier once you know how to use it. Switching out a word for another: two button-presses, duplicating a line: three presses, deleting 500 consecutive lines: five presses

I don't understand the need for Ctrl-C/V, when manually copying the text exists. I know it's snarky, but that's the level of difference we're talking about here. Or imagine, to delete a line, someone Right Arrows 50 times, then backspaces 50 times, instead of using the shortcut.

Alternatively, you can save a key and use :x (And :q! to quit without saving)

Yeah, that’s such a Vim user thing to say :P

:up|cq to save a write cycle and signal an error to whatever opened Vim.

I made that switch a few months ago just so I could cut, copy and paste without having to lookup how to do it. it's been great.

Just all those left over swap files I forget about because they are in every one of my dot ignore files.

killall vim

jjjjjjjjj

Disconnect the battery terminals obviously!

put it in the microwave

Hold the power button for 10 seconds!

Tried it's a scam , doesn't work

If I could afford to change PC - I could afford real IDE

Some people just want to see the world burning

It's the opposite of nerd sniping.

and ZZ for save & quit

:cq because why not :)

Exactly, that and the mobile app. Having simple markdown files and ability to sync them with Syncthing are just too good.

I don’t know about Zettlr, but last I looked at Logseq it worked off markdown files similar to Obsidian.

That said, I felt Logseq wasn’t quite ready for prime time when I was doing my research a year or so ago. So I went with Obsidian and have been very happy with it.

Been using Logseq for six months, and yes. It’s all just .md and media files referenced by relative links.

This was an important factor the choice to use it. Having used several note taking applications / systems, getting your data ‘out’ in a painless fashion is the #1 concern.

I’ve heard good things about anytype.io, but I havent had the chance to use it personally.

There's nothing there that really strikes me as disingenuous or bad. If they wanna be closed source, they can be, for whatever reason(s) they want. Does it mean a number of people (me included) are less likely to use it? Yes. But outside of our bubble here, most people don't care about open vs closed source software.

I was about to comment that their website also claims "legitimate interest" to create a personalised ad profile on me, before I realised that that is not the official Obsidian website. But yeah, the stated reasons are dumb.

It's extra work they don't totally see the value in and they want to be able to sell their product? Those seem like pretty normal reasons not to maintain an open source project.

They also want to be able to support their families by making money through the Obsidian application, which could be more difficult in an open source environment.

This is the only one that seems really legit to me. That and the other commenter that said open source is more work, which is probably true, and if you're not getting benefit it could be a net loss.

Firstly Joplin is great note taking app and if that is all you want you really should go for it. I used it for years and was really happy.

But Obsidian is far more than just a note app. It like a Wikipedia page, you can add links within the text of your notes to another note. But they are also bi-directional, meaning you can see the incoming and outgoing links.

Making easy to use the related notes instead of just link to it. Sometimes you did not even think this note could use that note information and it shows you can connect them.

Not only that Dataview lets you live index and query your data. Letting me build a template and query that data dynamics.

The Android app is horrible btw. If I had to guess it's just a desktop web page scaled down and packaged in an app.

It's just markdown. You should know how to use git, use it.

there's a git plugin which can sync with any git server

You can use FolderSync to sync your .md dir to nextcloud. It suited me well because I use foldersync for other purposes, too

At some point Nano added Ctrl+S for save. That's all I needed. Its syntax highlighting is decent too.

Nano, Pico and Micro? is this editor trying to !compensate for something?

+1 for micro. I install it on every server I administer, and alias it to nano. If you're a nano user and haven't tried micro, I highly recommend it. It's like nano, but built this century, it feels fast and modern.

I was a nano person for the longest time, was planning to try out vim but never did, until i saw a coworker using it and he explained a little about the vim "language" actually worked and how much you could do with it

With some encouragement from him and a week or two of reduced productivity i was able to do everything just as fast in vim as in nano, and it only got better from there, now i find any other editor slow and tiresome in comparison

If you want something that is quite a nice editor too but doesn't require hundreds of lines of configuration, try helix. It also has nice help menus so it's fast to learn. I've used vim since the 90's and Emacs for many years, but nowadays I kinda just like hx how it just works with zero configuration for any programming language I need to work with.

Or ctrl-b " pkill vim for my tmux enjoyers

:!kill -9 -1

That makes sense, I mean your monitor can only fit like six lines of text.

It should be default on, with a setting to turn it off for power users

is there not an option to turn them off??

Not to forget the buit in popup showing the shortcuts, similar to which-key, but built in

:q :3

:quit!, :qa!, ZQ

:!killall vim

:wq will save and then exit, while :x will save only if the file has been modified and then exit, and then there's ZZ that does the same as :x, plus there are probably others:-)

my disappointment is immesurable and my day is ruined.

Good human?

But seriously that's helpful info.

I noticed this, and was wondering what the hell was going on.

If yours doesn't use it, you know what it uses instead

That's why I like it. No BS, no ads, no commercials, no show-offs, etc. Just some people with a bit of free time share their knowledge and stories.

I do wish we have more vibrant non-tech communities, though.

According to Stack Overflow, there is also:

• :cq (quit without writing and return non-zero exit code)
• ZQ (quit without writing from normal mode)

New problem. I am now stuck in emacs.

Hahaha yessss 😊