“No one is looking at us or the extent of this disaster or the crimes that we are experiencing in Gaza,” he said. Still holding his microphone, he slid off his flak jacket marked with the word PRESS and unstrapped his helmet.
“These protection jackets and helmets don't protect us,” he said, flinging the equipment to the ground. “Nothing protects journalists. ... We lose our lives for no reason.”
I doubt Hamas was at this reporter's house, which was singled out by Israel for an airstrike, which they then pretended to know nothing about.
Not just journalists, kill the journalist AND his entire family by waiting until he gets home and then bombing his house.
Hamas look like angels compared to israel
Makes you wonder what they do get away with
Just playing devil's advocate, maybe it was hamas who bombed the house just to get sympathy. Hamas has shown that they don't really care much about civilian casualties.
When you bomb 4000 children and have a "odd" recurring record of journalists dying as "collateral damage" then maybe the advocacy work could be put to better use elsewhere. Nobody has sympathy for Hamas here.
eh, just gaza
I wanna preface this with "Israel is clearly in the wrong for these attacks and civilians casualties are not an acceptable consequence of this conflict" but as others have already mentions: Israel not taking in Palestinians is very clearly because you can't reliably filter out hamas from Palestinian civilians. That doesn't make what their doing OK, it's just the very obvious reason for them not doing what you're suggesting. It doesn't help that these continues attacks probably makes the civilians population more likely to want to retaliate against the government. "You make the monsters you want to fight" and a that.
The denial of basic necessities for human survival and the driving of civilians southward is a coordinated push to expel the populous from the Gaza Strip. They've attempted back channel deals to scrub Egypt's debt for them to take in the civilians. Their "plan" to ship the expelled around the world has been leaked. People understand this, and thus, the only logical solution is for Israel to take care of these people whose lives they are shattering. They can't leave their land or Israeli land or they won't get it back. Whether it's worth dying over is largely out of the Palestinians in Gaza hands for the moment.
This can't be made someone else's problem, because that's exactly what Israel wants and that should make their motivations very clear.
Are you actually suggesting Israel take over Palestine and absorb the civilians populations. That's insane. Theirs decades of hate and anguish here, Israel would need to keep the Palestinians isolated from the Israeli population for fear of retaliation and the Palestinians would live under constant observation for fear of retaliating. Israel can't deradicalise Palestine when their a good chunk of the reason Palestinians are radicalised into hamas. The only sensible solution is egypt taking over the region and promising diplomatic responses to Israel instead of continued conflict but they don't for the same reason: because they don't want the radical element of hamas under their governance. In the end the only end I see is Palestinians expelling hamas or Israel wiping them out because the alternative is continued conflict forever (which i suppose is also possible, it's been that way for years after all).
It's not my suggestion, it very much appears to be what they are doing in Gaza. Removing their right to self determination is also not a solution. The UN is a much better force to act as interim peacekeepers. I don't think either of us are probably going to be the ones to crack the peace nut. All that I am saying is that secondary evidence and leaks point to a future where the people of Gaza have been removed and I very much believe Israels intent is to never let them back in.
Palestinians is very clearly because you can’t reliably filter out hamas from Palestinian civilians.
This is also a fucking BS, sure you disapprove but you can't even put that on the table. Right now, Israel is fabricating more than ever the so called "terrorists", that's why they conflate the term with resistance fighter. Don't you fucking think it is a traumatic situation?! Bombing, displacing, cut water/electricity/food ...
At the very very least, it should have been a terrestrial attack, but they are so coward and reluctant to anything not jewish (last bit is in their book), that they go freestyle and free of consequence.
I mean you can't filter out anyone whose been radicalised from those just wanting an out. And the possible risk from mistaking it is extremely high.
Holy molly I feel dirty, suddenly. , I misread your comment, my bad. The BS argument is about "radicalization" , of course. People seeing their relatives, friends and weak (children) getting killed is just fuel for outrage and punishment..
If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?
Whether you agree with Israeli attacks or not, obviously the answer to this is because it's impossible to filter out Hamas terrorists, which is the main thing they're trying to prevent.
Your right, best to kill them all then.
Where did you get that?
What do you agree with btw?
I'm not happy with what Israel is doing. But I don't know of a better way to get rid of Hamas either. And I'm convinced that if we want a free Palestine and a working two state solution, freeing it from Hamas has to be the first step without which no sustainable situation with Israel can ever be achieved.
I'm sure this will work about as well as the US attempt to get rid of the Taliban. Or as well as any of the other instances in the past of trying to get rid of an ideological group through violence.
It doesn't work. It makes everything worse. It radicalizes survivors and kills lots of innocent people.
Some day maybe humanity will collectively abandon these cycles of hatred and violence played out over decades. But I doubt it.
Better way is easy: a one state solution like Israel claims it wants would be better than this. Declare everyone in Palestine an Israeli citizen, move in law enforcement in force, and arrest murderers for murder.
The people IDF is targeting are Hamas leaders or "officers", who need to communicate a lot and sometimes even show in public, so they can be tracked with enough time. Boots on the ground soldiers are a completely different problem and Israel doesn't even have the resources to track all of them because there are so many. How is that not obvious??
Apparently they can: https://www.timesofisrael.com/...
My dude has never seen a customs office or checkpoint in his life
No its obviously because Israel doesn't care about Palestinians lol. They wouldn't have literally any of these issues if they hadn't been doing like 80 years worth of state sponsored occupation and murder.
You really think the people in Gaza chose to willingly leave their former homes and land to move into a military enclave?
You are extremely naive if you think that a military checkpoint would solve this problem. Egypt was not able to stop Hamas terrorists and their supplies going back and forth through the Rafah border crossing to commit acts of terror in the Sinai peninsula for example. And that was during "business as usual", not in a situation where potentially hundreds of thousands of people would likely have to go through.
Bold of you to assume Egypt isn't complicit in letting that happen lol.
Their military literally runs on bribery. So much so that there's a local conspiracy there that Egypt provided Israel with all the intel during the 6 day war because they had no intention of fighting and negotiated to get Gaza off their hands in exchange for never having to worry about Israel again.
Again though, my point is that Hamas as an entity wouldn't exist if Palestinians were considered regular citizens and not forced off from their own property.
Either they’re armed and easy to identify or they’re not at which point there’s one less person to worry about shooting Israeli soldiers while their tunnel network is dismantled. I don’t see the problem.
Do you honestly not see the problem with letting out at the very least tens of thousands of people, possibly hundreds of thousands, and guarding them all well enough so that none of them can do any hostilities that can be done without smuggling arms out of Gaza (whether it's sabotage, inciting violent protests to keep the IDF occupied or terrorist acts using weapons smuggled into Israel from elsewhere)?
Why does Israel not let people leave and use its famed intelligence services to identify who the Hamas fighters are? It is looking like the Israeli government simply prefers collective punishment or even genocide.
How do you know who is Hamas and who is a civilian? It's not like Hamas honorably sticks to identifiable uniforms in this war they started
That's pretty clearly not true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...
1948-2023
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties 6K killed and 165K injured Palestinians in the span of 15 years. All before the 7.10.
That's an awfully large number for a "peace” don't you think?
You're right, so let's just declare everyone in Gaza Hamas and bomb everyone. Right? Isn't that Israel's current policy?
Hey, why don't we speed things up and nuke the area. Wouldn't that be more efficient?
Killing civilian children is not an appropriate response to terrorism.
And what, according to you, is the best response Israel could make to an unending string of terrorism?
What unending string of terrorism? Before Oct 7, when was the last Israeli killed or injured by Hamas?
But to answer your question, the best response is securing the boarder and asking yourself "what could be the motivation for these attacks?". It's to try and seek/broker peace.
I'd suggest reading up on the IRA and the good Friday agreement to see how a government can end an unending string of terrorism. A relentless show of force is how the US created ISIS. That's what Israel is doing right now.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties - who's the terrorist now? ELI5 the numbers of this article. I am really curious how you will justify them!
it's really obvious:
in a tunnel underground? terrorist
shooting Israeli's? terrorist
not getting the fuck out of an active war zone and pretending to be a civilian? terrorist
Should all of Ukraine abandon their land because Russia declared their land an active war zone?
If someone invades your country do you not have the right to fight back? You're basically saying, leave or die. How does this logic not apply to the attacks of oct. 7th? Not defending said attacks, just pointing out how utterly brainless your statement is. It also sounds like approval of genocide.
Why would you let people who may or may not be criminals / terrorists into your country ? What do you think this is the usa southern border ?
Would you let random people come flooding into your house ?
The US southern border is so scary. Migrant workers enter the US every day, it's terrible. These people are going to ruin America by looking for better lives for themselves and their families. /s
I've lived very close to the US/Mexico border most of my life. There aren't any criminals and terrorists coming to live here. It's all just people looking for better lives. The criminals smuggle drugs and people over, but they don't move over here too often, and even if they do, it's just to sell drugs. There are no terrorists amongst them, idk where you got that idea.
Don't fall for right wing propaganda about the US/Mexico border.
Drugs and slaves also come over the boarder because ots open and anyone can cross.
You say there are no criminals or terrorists bit you are factually wrong.
The data encompasses seizures at southern border ports of entry, where most illicit drugs consumed in the United States, including fentanyl, are currently smuggled>
Guess Reuters is lying.
https://www.courier-journal.com/...
Stop with your fantasy and face reality.
The criminals smuggle drugs and people over.
I literally said that there are criminals. The criminals move back and forth, though. They dont typically stay here in one place for too long. Not terrorists, though. At least not often enough that terrorists should be plural.
The border isn't open, where are you getting that idea? They use tunnels and cross occasionally patrolled territory to get across. The border is just so big and desolate that there won't be enough manpower to guard it all, and there is so much money in the drug trade that there will always be incentive for them to figure out a way to get across. The cartels even have submarines and drones.
If we want to stop the drug smuggling and criminals from coming over, we should make a safer and regulated drug market up here and take away their incentive.
I'm just letting you know as someone who has lived in border towns, the vast majority of people coming over just want to have better lives for them and their families. Nobody is terrorized down there. Sure, heinous stuff happens that involves criminal illegal immigrants, occasionally. We have criminals who commit heinous stuff that were born here, too.
It's not a huge problem like you are making it out to be.
At 8:30 p.m. Thursday, after signing off from a live report on Gaza's soaring death toll, Abu Hatab headed to his nearby home in Khan Younis where he lived with his wife, six children, brother and brother's family, his colleagues said.
On his way, he spoke to the Palestine TV bureau chief, Rafat Tidra.
“He was so professional, as always,” Tidra said. “In that conversation, he was focused on what he was going to report the next day, how we were going to work.”
At around 9:30, an Israeli airstrike hit his house, wiping out the Abu Hatab family. No one survived. His neighbor's houses only sustained limited damage from the blast.
So was there a Hamas base under this journalist's private residence or something?!
The IDF also murdered 972 Magazine journalist Khalil Abu Yahia.
It's easy to take an enlightened centerist approach here saying things like "both sides do awful things" and "everyone should stop". And while to a point that this is true, there has a history of revenge repesials going back devades. But that really ignores the vast power imblance between Israel and the strip.
From basic utilities to free movement on roads to kicking Palestinians out of their homes in favor of Israeli settlers. It's a small easy thing to relax in your chair and say everyone is wrong, but this conflict can end when Isreal stops their oppression. Not providing clean water and bombing medical infrastructure is genocide all by itself. Gaza is an open air prison where movement is restricted. It's high minded arrogant nonsense to say Gaza should focus on their own country when Isreal is literally bombing their water wells.
Both sides do awful things. Everyone should stop.
But let's be honest here, the area didn't belong to the zionists for a really long time. The international community forced Palestinians off of their land and for a good 70 years Palestinians they have suffered. Zionists should not have been given the means to invade the Palestinians.
this conflict can end when Isreal stops their oppression
It can end when hamas surrenders.
Not providing clean water and bombing medical infrastructure is genocide all by itself.
It wasn't a problem before October 7th. Maybe hamas should've done something about preventing such a situation, to build water purification facilities etc. Also maybe not build war infrastructure under medical infrastructure.
It's high minded arrogant nonsense to say Gaza should focus on their own country when Isreal is literally bombing their water wells.
It's low minded arrogant nonsense to say that Israel should not react to attacks of terrorists who vowed to not stop attacks until they destroy Israel with it's 9 million population.
Whoa israel just directly bombed his house with his whole family inside because he was press. What the fuck.
israel is saying they will kill you AND your entire family of you report on their war crimes.
There is a word for what Israel is doing: Holocaust.
The article doesn't have the video, at least I didn't see it.
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It's a picture embedded in the article, no video.
No they were targeting them specifically from the beginning, not just now.
At least 31 Journalists have been killed and we're not even a month in.
Here's the wiki site that keeps count: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...
Here are current year and prior maps to 92' that you can tweak from the Committee to Protect Journalists. It really helps to change search parameters like causation, year, region etc, to get a very full view of how absolutely abnormal the number of journalist deaths are.
This one got to me: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zMKyH4jCnTE
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Israel has a storied history now of killing journalists, here is the most famous example:
A video, since the website doesn't seem to have it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3yDx_VWPd8
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Your right, Israel should cease it's indiscriminate violence now and call for an immediate stabilization of the civilian population on the ground. That was a big leap for you man. Proud of you Dobby!
Hamas should surrender so everything can end.
Hamas doesn't care if those civilians and journalists die anymore than probably Israel does. It goes to show how stupid this is because everyday Israel becomes more the murderer, more the oppressor, more the aggressor, more the monster. I'm sure Hamas leadership love it because they literally have to do nothing as proud Israel marches into the history books as the land hungry maniac butcher of the middle east. This is how a 9/11 works and you buffoons are out here trying to roast Hamas marshmallows on the smoldering corpses of women and children.
The trick is, if you destroy enough Palestinians and drive them from thier home ling enough, those people's kids will have no connection to Palestine/Gaza and little desire to go back. After time the situation would solve itself.
If you continue to let hamas rule Gaza and commit acts of terror then Israel will retaliate insuring the continuation of the current situation until.the end of time.
Sounds like it was a bad idea for the Gazans to put them in charge of their government. Maybe they should do something about that
Yeah. Hamas is the only group which can really end this, though. Israel ending it involves a lot of dead people. They're not going to stop until Hamas cannot make war any longer, and I can't blame them.
Yeah. Hamas is the only group which can really end this, though. Israel ending it involves a lot of dead people. They're not going to stop until Hamas cannot make war any longer, and I can't blame them.
if your protection gear isnt working, get better gear. if that isnt possible, it may be time to rethink your life decisions.
moving right on to the 2nd option then, eh?
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This is heartbreaking, I don’t know what else to say. The justification that these casualties are acceptable because “Hamas is there too” is just nonsense. If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?
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