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Chozo 110 points 3 years ago

Lot of bad takes and sensationalism in this thread. The real difference is that one group (prisoners) were charged with crimes, and the others (hostages) weren't.

Whether those criminal charges are valid or not is another story, but that's why they're using different terms for each group, as they're not captive under the same pretense as the other.

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NewDark 37 points 3 years ago

Many Palestinian prisoners aren't charged with crimes and have "secret evidence" held against them. Given Israel's track record of lying and colonialist activity, I'll leave you to decide if they actually do have that evidence. https://www.aljazeera.com/...

On top of that, the vast majority of the actual crimes are incredibly minor like rock throwing, and it doesn't matter if you're a child. The conditions and treatment in Israel prisons for Palestinians is incredibly grim as well.

There's a thin vaneer of an unjust legal framework, and the aims of Israel aren't as explicit to hold them for trade, but they're a whole lot closer to being hostages than most people care to admit.

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bartolomeo 0 points 3 years ago

That's right, and a lot of people don't know about how many Palestinians are being held indefinitely without charge in Israeli prisons. Oftentimes they are children who have been subjected to torture. And this is not something that started on October 7th, although the number of detainees has risen since then, including in the West Bank. It's very difficult to make a case for the 2 am raids to take hostages prisoners in the West Bank when WB doesn't have a Hamas government. As is often the case, the oppressors just make up laws and systems to catalyze oppression within a legal farce. Of course the truth is that Israel is commiting genocide of Palestinians in order to steal their land, but the vaneer is getting so thin that it's making international law and the Geneva conventions a joke.

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CerealKiller01 -1 points 3 years ago

Yes, but also no.

Palestinians who are held without trial are held in administrative detention, that's usually done if the person poses an immediate danger, but the evidence isn't up to the legal standard (a judge still has to approve the arrest). It's also used against Jewish citizens (though admittedly much less. IIRC there are two Jews held in administrative detention right now).

Absolutely none of the Palestinians held in administrative detention are about to be set free, and they aren't regarded as "standard" prisoners (they are always referred as "administrative detainees", never "prisoners").

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Linkerbaan 4 points 3 years ago

Ohhh they call them something else, now it's totally different!

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CerealKiller01 5 points 3 years ago

The question was about why are Palestinians in Israel are called "prisoners" and Israelis in Gaza are "hostages", in the context of the people exchanged during the truce. The person I replied to said some "prisoners" in Israel are held without trial, to which I replied they are not called "prisoners", and are not part of the exchange.

So... could you explain the point you're trying to make? If that's just some general point about Israel treating Palestinians unjustly, that's fine (I actually agree with you to some extent), but I don't see how that has to do with the difference between two specific groups of Palestinians and Israelis.

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eatham -2 points 3 years ago

You are really using a news source owned by the qatar govt for issues related to qatar?

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machinin 38 points 3 years ago

How about this source, the actual human rights organization that produced the report?

https://hamoked.org/document.php?dID=Updates2136

Administrative detention constitutes a draconian violation of a person’s rights to liberty and due process. International humanitarian law permits this detention without trial only as an exceptional measure when there is a substantial security threat that cannot be otherwise avoided. But Israel’s use of this measure toward Palestinians is not exceptional at all; Israel holds hundreds of Palestinians from the West Bank in administrative detention for periods of months and even years. Furthermore, administrative detention orders are based on “classified material” such that the detainee has no way to refute the allegations against them. And the Israeli military can extend the period of administrative detention without limit. The infringement of rights of administrative detainees is exacerbated by the fact that many of them are held inside Israel, in blatant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits the transfer of inmates outside the occupied territory.

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eatham 10 points 3 years ago

Seems like a good source.

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NewDark 7 points 3 years ago

Why not? They're a great source unless they're reporting on something related to Qatar's own government / interests.

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Kleinbonum 7 points 3 years ago

The hostage deal was negotiated by Qatar, the Hamas leadership is living in luxury in Qatar, Qatar is seeking to gain more influence in the future of Gaza.

Is this really the right moment to blindly trust the Qatar state owned news source with its reporting about a Qatar negotiated deal related to a conflict that Qatar has a vested interest in?

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SCB 3 points 3 years ago

Qatar is balls-deep in this conflict, my dude.

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eatham -2 points 3 years ago

Well qatar govt funds hamas, so id say it falls within their interests.

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crashfrog -4 points 3 years ago

In what respect would the crime not matter if you're a "child"? Minors frequently participate as attackers in Hamas attacks. If Israel didn't apply punitive detention to anyone under 18, then every Hamas attacker would be under the age of 18.

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NewDark 2 points 3 years ago

Please tell me you think it's justified to hold a child in prison for years for throwing a rock at a tank. Oh, or maybe they illegally walked on the wrong side of the road in the west bank. I really want to hear this.

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SCB 2 points 3 years ago

I think the children should be made Israeli while being held, if caught engaging in open combat with Israel's. 3 year sentence of "live as an Israeli citizen."

Show them who they're fighting and they'll stop fighting.

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WoodlandAlliance 4 points 3 years ago

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WeeSheep 71 points 3 years ago

Israel put people in jail for crimes which were illegal. Hammas kidnapped random people, many from a dance club.

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Linkerbaan 12 points 3 years ago

Well this is factually just not true. Israel kidnaps many Palestinians even children without evidence and releases them after a "holding period".

They often do this just to bully Palestinians in the west bank.

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Godric 0 points 3 years ago

Wow those things are exactly equivalent, I can't believe different terms are being used /s

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DogMuffins -11 points 3 years ago

This is a question of perspective though.

Obviously i don't hold their views but I presume hammas has some justification along the lines of Israelis being criminals.

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Ilovethebomb 7 points 3 years ago

You cannot possibly be serious.

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DogMuffins 8 points 3 years ago

Of course I'm serious.

This isn't a question of who's right and who's wrong. It's the simple and obvious assertion that all parties think they are right.

Hamas combatants presumably feel their actions are justified.

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Ilovethebomb -3 points 3 years ago

Hitler probably thought the holocaust was justified.

What an utterly idiotic point.

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nonailsleft 0 points 3 years ago

Why not? For them they are illegal settlers. If someone started squatting in your bedroom, wouldn't you consider them criminals at some point?

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Ilovethebomb 7 points 3 years ago

Have Hamas even bothered to accuse them of a crime?

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DrQuint 1 point 3 years ago

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shadysus 45 points 3 years ago

I've seen this posted elsewhere, and while it's a valid thing to talk about it distracts from the bigger issues

Others here have explained the difference between someone who's taken as a prisoner (they are being held because of something they allegedly did) and someone who's taken hostage (someone who's held as security for some other purpose). From what I can tell, even Hamas isn't saying the hostages are guilty of anything. It seems like those involved in the situation agree that the terminology is appropriate.

The more important discussion imo are:

Whether the charges against the prisoners are appropriate, or if there's a history of charges, arrests, and detention without justification or evidence. I think this is the point people are trying to make when they bring up hostages vs. prisoners, but if you aren't specific about it you end up going in circles and arguing about the wrong thing.
Whether those are being held (both hostages and prisoners) are being treated with respect and dignity. If their needs are being met and if they are being tortured / otherwise suffering unjustly.

There is also some more important discussion around terminology, such as one group being called "women" (implies humanity) and another "females" (more formal, scientific, and a term that's also used for animals).

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Madison420 1 point 3 years ago

Gunna go with probably not legit charges seeing as how they arrested about 10,000 civilian Palestinians in Palestine. Notably they were in their own country so it is by definition hostage taking given the laws of Israel so not apply in Palestine and they have no extradition agreement in fact they have the exact opposite.

If someone from the US was taken from the US and put in prison in Israel for a crime in Israel without permission to extradite the other country would be accused of unlawful imprisonment and unlawful extradition. Would anyone like to guess the charge that a country taking a hostage would be accused of?

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Risus_Nex 0 points 3 years ago

Thanks! This is really helpful

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blahsay 30 points 3 years ago

Is this trolling? The hostages are civilians (babies, old people etc, women etc). The Palestinians are getting combatants who were arrested for other attacks by and large.

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machinin 28 points 3 years ago

Edit: I noticed you post on several of these threads supporting Israel. Are you intentionally spreading misinformation?

https://www.aljazeera.com/...

I know Israeli supporters are going to bristle at the source, but the list of "combatants" include 17 minors and women.

The list [possible future releases] of 300 comprises 33 women. The majority of the rest of the names are of boys aged 16-18. However, there are also boys as young as 14 on the list.

Prisoners have been convicted of crimes including carrying and manufacturing knives and daggers. Other common offences detailed in Israel’s list include:

*threatening security *illegally entering Israel without a permit *throwing stones *supporting terrorism *associating with hostile/unknown organisations.

Also noted about minors detained by Israel:

“The main alleged crime for these detentions is stone-throwing, which can carry a 20-year sentence in prison for Palestinian children,” said a report published in July by children’s rights organisation, Save the Children.

Is there really any true justice in an apartheid State?

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CerealKiller01 19 points 3 years ago

Hi, Israeli here. You didn't really point out any misinformation, the linked article just gives some (IMO wrong and even misleading) context.

The majority of the rest of the names are of boys aged 16-18. However, there are also boys as young as 14 on the list.

The 14 year old kid was charged for hostile sabotage activity, gathering or association, attacking a police officer under serious circumstances, throwing stones, negligence and general recklessness, maliciously or negligently causing damage to property, arson on nationalistic grounds, weapons/ammunition/explosives. Also, it's worth noting his trial was ongoing.

Prisoners have been convicted of crimes including carrying and manufacturing knives and daggers. Other common offenses detailed in Israel’s list include [...]

Ehh... technically true, but very misleading. Usually, there are a few charges, some more serious than others. The 14yo kid could be described as "charged with negligence and general recklessness", but that wouldn't be the whole picture. Here's a link to a list of 300 prisoners due to be released. It's in Hebrew, but copy-pasting into google translate is good enough to understand the charges:

https://www.gov.il/...

In the first page, there are 2 prisoners charged with carrying and manufacturing knives and daggers. Both are also charged with attempted murder (one is 17 years old, btw).

And regarding "associating with hostile/unknown organisations", from what I could tell, this means that the prisoner was charged with being affiliated with Hamas. Hamas is considered a terrorist group in the US, UK, Canada and Australia (Not to mention they massacred more than 1,000 citizens). So this might be my Israeli bias speaking, but... what's unreasonable with throwing them to prison? Would being affiliated with ISIS or Al-Qaeda not carry a prison sentence?

“The main alleged crime for these detentions is stone-throwing, which can carry a 20-year sentence in prison for Palestinian children,” said a report published in July by children’s rights organisation, Save the Children.

Yes, "can carry". A 20 year sentence is only applicable if the rocks were thrown at a moving vehicle with intent to cause harm. without proving intent, the sentence is 10 years. Children are not explicitly mentioned (though the reality is that most rock throwers are minors). In practice, the courts try to avoid sentencing minors who are charged mainly with rock throwing to prison, and even when they are sentenced to prison it's for a few months.

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machinin 2 points 3 years ago

The misinformation is calling all the released Palestinians combatants. That seems like the Israeli's talking point here, which is a fabrication.

Yes, all of these people are charged by the Israeli state, an apartheid state oppressing the Palestinian people. They can make up whatever charges they want. Who believes them?

What is it with Israeli's and the justifications for killing and imprisoning Palestinian minors? It seems like there is some ulterior motive for removing the younger generation from those lands.

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SCB 3 points 3 years ago

If you attack someone with a weapon that can kill them, then you are by any sane definition a combatant

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CerealKiller01 3 points 3 years ago

You're right, calling all the released prisoners "Palestinians combatants" would be wrong. Can you please point me to a source calling them that? I only saw something similar in far right Israeli news sites, who call them "terrorists" (all other sites call them "prisoners").

Yes, all of these people are charged by the Israeli state, an apartheid state oppressing the Palestinian people. They can make up whatever charges they want. Who believes them?

If we assume a state-wide conspiracy, any state can make up whatever charges it wants. There's no real way to prove that's wrong. However, there are a few indicators I can think of - what's the democracy index of said state? is that state's judiciary system regarded internationally as being generally good? Do other democratic states believe said state? Has said state been caught in many lies regarding its judiciary system?

Going by these indicators, Israel's status is at least OK. Not perfect, and if you'd like I can point out quite a few issues, especially regarding the treatment of Palestinians, but they do not "make up" charges as a general modus operandi.

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crashfrog 5 points 3 years ago

None of the Palestinian prisoners released today had been imprisoned for "stone-throwing." One woman stabbed several Israelis with a knife.

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machinin -1 points 3 years ago

One woman stabbed several Israelis with a knife.

One woman was "accused by the Israeli government of stabbing people who stole land and homes from Palestinian people" is more accurate.

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SCB 1 point 3 years ago

If I steal from you and you stab me, you will most assuredly be arrested, in every single country on the planet.

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machinin -1 points 3 years ago

One woman stabbed several Israelis with a knife.

First, "was accused by Israel of stabbing several Israelis" is more accurate. And we know Israel lies. Can you really believe it? Why are they releasing her if she is such a dangerous criminal? It is an apartheid state, there isn't really true justice there.

Second, according to my sources, the Israelis that were stabbed were occupiers. I have very little compassion for people who steal people's land, especially oppressed people's land, to use as their own.

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OniiFam -8 points 3 years ago

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calcopiritus 4 points 3 years ago

I don't understand what minors and women has to do with it. Only adult men (where adult just means >18yo) can be terrorists? The other points might be valid (or not), but just saying "there are minors and women" means nothing.

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OniiFam 4 points 3 years ago

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SCB 2 points 3 years ago

Is there really any true justice in an apartheid State?

I've never seen anyone even pretend to justify how Israel is apartheid.

You are aware that Gaza is not in Israel, yes? There is a literal wall between the two states.

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bartolomeo 1 point 3 years ago

Are you intentionally spreading misinformation?

Some of them are freelancers, others fully employed.

https://forward.com/...

https://www.mintpressnews.com/...

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52fighters 28 points 3 years ago

Y'all, this is a rhetorical question meant to serve as a zinger against Israel. OP doesn't want actual answers.

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machinin 30 points 3 years ago

It's also a good discussion of how propaganda works. I mean, we continually see how Israel lies, now we're seeing the misinformation campaign about all the "combatants" being released that are actually teenage boys, many of whom were captured for throwing rocks and may face 20 years in prison for it.

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redballooon -6 points 3 years ago

To focus so overly much on Israels propaganda in today’s social media landscape is propaganda itself.

Pretty much on all channels there’s a between 10:1 and 20:1 relationship between pro Palestinian vs pro Israel comments.

Source: https://www.tagesschau.de/...

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NewDark 2 points 3 years ago

Social media, not western news agencies. The news is highly biased toward Israel even if the people generally aren't falling for it.

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redballooon 0 points 3 years ago

As I said in the other comment, not falling for one sides propaganda doesn’t automatically mean the other side is right. What we have on social media is propaganda for a supposed Palestinian side, but overwhelmingly it’s Hamas’ talking points, which are clearly anti Israel, but lacking in the “pro Palestinian” cause.

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Linkerbaan 1 point 3 years ago

That's great no? People are waking up to the propaganda. Seeing the reality of how our governments spin everything to justify whatever military objective they want to achieve.

Ukraine? Defending against colonizing oppressors is their plight in any way possible and they are heroes!

Israel? The colonizing oppressors are now the defenders! Defending against colonization and oppression is wrong and you're not to allow to kill a single person ever!

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redballooon -5 points 3 years ago

Oh dear.

Distancing yourself from one propaganda side is all well and fine, but that doesn’t mean the other side is automatically in the right, you know?

And you are using the other side’s words and narratives, which frankly is their propaganda.

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nandeEbisu -1 points 3 years ago

In my experience, people I interact with personally aren't citing Hamas propaganda as if it were fact, they give it the appropriate level of skepticism. They don't do that with IDF press releases or propaganda from the Israeli government so it is worth pointing out that all governments and affiliated news outlets put out biased reporting during war time.

Also, as a US taxpayer, my money is funding bombs being dropped on Gaza, they didn't fund Hamas' improvised rockets. Those were cobbled together using material stolen from the people of Gaza. As a result, I expect honest accountability of how those weapons are used.

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SCB 3 points 3 years ago

Those were cobbled together using material stolen from the people of Gaza.

They were bought from Iran, generally. Sometimes from other Iran-backed militants, which is the same thing

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crashfrog -21 points 3 years ago

Throwing a rock at someone can cause grievous injury or death. We're not talking about pebbles; they're throwing multi-kilogram stones in an attempt to damage IDF property and harm IDF soldiers.

And you may say "ok, well, that's war; soldiers and their equipment are fair game" and that's fair, but if you attack enemy soldiers that makes you a soldier, whatever your age might be.

So the IDF can either capture and imprison these people, or they can shoot them. Sometimes they do - the prisoners held by IDF are the ones they didn't.

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bababatman 16 points 3 years ago

The IDF are a colonial occupying army. I think the Palestinians are responding to them the way the entire rest of the planet would.

Face it, team Israel is deep in the toilet, stinking of shit and sewage, and the smell ain't never coming out. Not in this life time nor in the next.

Called karma, dude.

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SCB 0 points 3 years ago

The IDF are a colonial occupying army. I think the Palestinians are responding to them the way the entire rest of the planet would.

Theyre neither colonial nor occupying. They're invading in response to a foreign government massacring their people. The reason for the massacre was to force Israel to respond and thus damage Israel's normalization of diplomacy with Saudi Arabia.

Hamas isn't fighting off colonial oppressors. They are engaging in politically motivated terror strikes designed to weaken the standing of a people they want to exterminate, at the intentional cost of the lives of their civilians.

This is the way history books will describe this war - not the propaganda you find comforting.

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Linkerbaan 16 points 3 years ago

Being a soldier on someone's else's land is highly illegal they have no business being in the west bank whatsoever but expanding their illegal colonies

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soggy_kitty 1 point 3 years ago

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Norgur 26 points 3 years ago

There are three possible definitions I could think of.

One is the judicial one many have brought up already:

Hamas just kidnapped random people
Israel took prisoners and charged them with criminal offenses

Another is the geopolitical one:

Israel is a state, so it takes official prisoners. Even if those.were wrongly convicted or innocent people,.they'd still be prisoners of war
Hamas is not a state, it's a gaggle of shitheads. Shitheads can't take prisoners as they have no jurisdiction. So their captives are hostages.

The last one would be the motive:

Hamas holds those people with the motive to trade them off to Israel for some gain or otherwise use them as bargaining chip. Israel has taken those people with the opposite goal: Imprison them/punish them for their crimes

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NewDark -5 points 3 years ago

Palestinians would love to be recognized as a state. Why aren't they?

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emergencyfood 13 points 3 years ago

Palestine is recognised by the UN. Hamas are not.

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NewDark 3 points 3 years ago

Recognized as a non-member observer state, and the countries actively oppressing them currently do not.

The same ones that hand-wring endlessly about a "two state solution".

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Norgur 1 point 3 years ago

Well, Palestinians didn't take hostages. They mostly tried to survive under an oppressive Terror Regime while the government that claims to own the land did nothing but feed on their misery for political gains. They are victims.

Hamas established said terror Regime and then unleashed their hatred on innocents inside and outside of their domain.

We need to clearly separate those two.

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nonailsleft 1 point 3 years ago

Because they never agreed to the UN partition plan.

I kid of course. If you're really interested I suggest taking your time to read up on the history of the Ottoman empire post 1800 and then the yishuv and that would lead you to understand the current shituation

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Grey 20 points 3 years ago

Prisoners - combatants or people they claim aided them who have surrendered or been captured without killing

Hostages - members of the public Hamas captured during the initial incursion

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machinin -1 points 3 years ago

Can you provide a citation that the Palestinians were combatants? I'm seeing that they are mainly minors and women who were arrested for other things.

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LaLiLuLuCo 3 points 3 years ago

https://www.gov.il/...

Can check their charges here

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bezerker03 17 points 3 years ago

Because one side went into homes and kidnapped kids and mothers and dragged them back to Gaza after being gang raped. The other arrested people actually committing crimes. What is with people trying to "not make assumptions" about a terror group?

The people trying to go around claiming that Hamas just defending themselves from colonizers are no better than Sandy Hook deniers and claiming crisis actors lol.

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little_hermit -4 points 3 years ago

The other side is always gang-raping and performing other dehumanizing acts that valiantly allow you to act in good conscience. This occurs on all sides. You are the humane and just one, the other side are barbaric animals, to be eradicated.

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Epicurus0319 17 points 3 years ago

This is clearly a rhetorical question, OP just wants people to repeat back to them things they already agree with instead of real answers. I may despise Israel’s cruel treatment of West Bank Palestinians as much as the next guy, but at least the prisoners have (albeit only very slightly) better conditions than hostages whose lives could be immediately ended on a whim without due process if it pleases their captors. And many of the hostages aren’t even Israeli. And the prisoners were processed and convicted of a (if trumped-up) crime.

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Hylactor -10 points 3 years ago

Yes, because there are no extrajudicial killings in any prisons.

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Linkerbaan 16 points 3 years ago

According to this new Aljezeera video there are multiple women that were kidnapped by israel without charges which were released today

https://youtu.be/kF_xnBKftew?si=jvpn2Z4T5TJ-ZgNg

Prisoners were tortured and killed by israel, especially after Oct 7

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OniiFam 2 points 3 years ago

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Estiar 7 points 3 years ago

True. Al Jazeera is a Qatari state run media enterprise. They're pretty reliable on news on things outside the Middle East, but tend to have a massive bias when it comes to matters of Qatar's interests.

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generalpotato 6 points 3 years ago

Right…. “massive bias” especially when they have reporters on the ground, risking their lives and other “news” agency have been drinking their updates from the IDF/Israeli firehose.

Al Jazeera also had its reporter shot by Israel (big surprise) last year for covering the Al Aqsa raids. They have also covered reporters from other news agencies getting shot by Israel in this genocide… err “war”. They are calling out Israel’s actions for what they are and this whole “massive bias because Qatari” is just straight up bullshit.

Yes, they are run by Qatar, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t won accolades in top tier neutral reporting. I’m defending them because we need that style of reporting more and less of what the likes of WSJ have become.

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OniiFam 4 points 3 years ago

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Annoyed_Crabby 10 points 3 years ago

It's the purpose of taking someone captive. Hostage mean it will be used to trade for other stuff.

In normal sense prisoner is taken because they violated the group/country rule and is mean to isolate them from the rest of the group. Under draconian administration they're taken because whoever the one ruling just want to get rid of them.

Hamas take hostage to trade for the prisoner taken by Israel.

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TheOldRazzleDazzle 4 points 3 years ago

Prisoners are used to trade for "other stuff" as well, you know. Prisoners of War aren't only soldiers, and they're even held after a war ends to be used as trade.

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Annoyed_Crabby 1 point 3 years ago

i think prisoner of war is entirely different category and can be taken for multiple reason, including but not limited to trading for other prisoners of war held by enemy, isolate them from the rest of the combatant, extract intel, so on and so forth. Hostage is very specifically meant for trading, while prisoner is meant to punish and isolate from the rest of the group.

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NeoNachtwaechter 7 points 3 years ago

Because news agencies have bosses.

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DarkThoughts 6 points 3 years ago

This sounds like a really idiotic bad faith question.
Hostages are used as meat shields and can be executed at any time, and typically innocent of any crime.
Prisoners are found guilty of a crime by a court system and then safely put away, since they have still rights.

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dQw4w9WgXcQ 17 points 3 years ago

I hate the fact that people who are trying to obtain information about the war are met with condescending answers like this. Attempts at gaining knowledge and learning should be motivated, not insulted.

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DarkThoughts 0 points 3 years ago

This isn't just about the war but just very basic language and definitions of those terms. You could've literally just searched for "prisoner definition" and "hostage definition". Literally less than a minute of work if that somehow was unclear in t he first place. Bad faith questions like his are very common disinformation tactics to paint a false equivalence in order to push certain narratives.

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Honytawk 0 points 3 years ago

I mean, especially in a community called "No Stupid Questions"

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Syndic 5 points 3 years ago

Prisoners are found guilty of a crime by a court system and then safely put away, since they have still rights.

Yeah about that ...

"In administrative detention, a person is held without trial without having committed an offense, on the grounds that he or she plans to break the law in the future. As this measure is supposed to be preventive, it has no time limit. The person is detained without legal proceedings, by order of the regional military commander, based on classified evidence that is not revealed to them. This leaves the detainees helpless – facing unknown allegations with no way to disprove them, not knowing when they will be released, and without being charged, tried or convicted."

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Name 5 points 3 years ago

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livus 5 points 3 years ago

A combination of two factors:

semantic difference based on how the people came to be in captivity
news framing

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Ilovethebomb 0 points 3 years ago

Semantic difference? Really?

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livus 2 points 3 years ago

@Ilovethebomb I don't really understand your question.

semantic (adjective) Of or relating to meaning, especially meaning in language.

The word "prisoner" has different meaning to the word "hostage" even though there is some overlap.

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redballooon 1 point 3 years ago

Pretty sure you could answer that yourself if you wanted to.

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andrew_bidlaw -4 points 3 years ago

It's a stupid question.

Maybe it's time to have our own eli5.

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Linkerbaan -5 points 3 years ago

It's just how the West spins it. What israel does is effectively the same as Hamas. If anything Hamas treats their hostages better than israel.

Kids have died while being kidnapped by israel and not because of Hamas bombs hitting their prisons. They get beaten and stuff.

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Redhotkurt -9 points 3 years ago

Because everyone knows only terrorists take hostages, so using the term to describe one side tells the public who to think is the terrorist side without having to actually say it.

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RampantParanoia2365 -10 points 3 years ago

Look, I know what the community is called. That's why I'll ask if you're retarded instead of stupid.

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Thoven 5 points 3 years ago

You know what the community is called, but because you judge the question to be stupid you're attacking them anyway by just changing the word? People like you are the reason communities like this exist in the first place. You make people afraid to express their curiosity and improve themselves as a person. Everyone has holes in their knowledge, and sometimes those holes are embarrassing. The best way to combat ignorance in our society is to foster a culture where people are encouraged to express their curiosity and educate themselves.

"The man who asks a question is a fool for a minute; the man who does not ask is a fool for life"

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RampantParanoia2365 -2 points 3 years ago

Yes. I often attack bad faith trolls.

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little_hermit -17 points 3 years ago

Hostages are victims. Prisoners are criminals. Calling a Palestinian a hostage makes you an anti-semite. Calling an Israeli a prisoner makes you an anti-semite. Being an anti-semite impacts profits. Hence the chips fall where they must.

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ryathal 8 points 3 years ago

Prisoners also implies a minimum level of treatment that hostage doesn't.

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OurTragicUniverse 3 points 3 years ago

Go read about how israel treats the Palestinian children it has in its prisons.

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little_hermit 1 point 3 years ago

I love these social experiments. 👽 <-- ain't ever gonna visit this fucked up planet

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FuglyDuck 4 points 3 years ago

👽 <– ain’t ever gonna visit this fucked up planet

I mean, we did nuke ourselves. multiple times over. we get our hands on an interstellar drive thingamadohickey and the first thing we'll probably do with it, is turn it into a giant fucking kinetic-kill missile on an intersect course for wherever the fuck it came from. "return to sender", with a gold record on it, just in case they wanna listen to 'what a wonderful world'.

Edit: if the 107 nukes going off (only two were combat, the rest were tests) weren't enough of a warning... keep in mind we've been pumping radio and television broadcasts for... decades. I mean, between Jerry Springer, Jackass and televangelists... y'know?

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little_hermit 1 point 3 years ago

They'll probably incinerate our planet when the time is 'right'. Just in case. 😏

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