Conservatives can't handle The Satanic Temple's harmless display in Iowa's Capitol

3 years ago by Lanky_Pomegranate530 to c/atheism

Even Republican lawmakers can't convince their base that freedom of religion applies to non-Christians, too
cryptosporidium140 120 points 3 years ago
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rtxn 98 points 3 years ago

Like sending "In God We Trust" banners written in Arabic to Texas schools. They don't like getting done unto them as they do unto others.

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PrinceWith999Enemies 26 points 3 years ago

I’m curious about this one. I was amused when it was first done - I think I even donated to the cause, but it’s been awhile and I don’t remember. I don’t know if they ever got any of their signs posted, but I do remember people claiming that the law stated the schools had to post donated signs.

Obviously it’s a great loophole in a stupid law, and should equally cover Hindi, Chinese, or any other scary language. The law, as originally written, did not specify a language.

My question is whether it would similarly apply to a sign in English that read “In Allah we Trust.” Since Allah is literally the Arabic word for “god,” it’s semantically equivalent. If so, the same should hold true for similar words from other languages. You might argue that naming a specific god like Vishnu might not pass muster (although I think an argument could be made), but I think that “In Allah we trust” would be almost as defensible as having the entire text in Arabic.

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thefartographer 35 points 3 years ago

Working in a rather large school district and eventually getting to point where I have somewhat more understanding and information about the inner workings of public ed, I can tell you exactly what a lot of Texas schools decided to do after that law passed and then people started donating signs: we immediately put up any sign that met the requirements and then threw them all away at the end of that same day. We have better things to worry about than trollish legislation and the trolls who troll the trolls. At the end of every single day, our main questions are "did we keep the children safe and the parents informed," and "is our children learning?"

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PrinceWith999Enemies 15 points 3 years ago

That’s a fantastic answer and thank you.

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DanglingFury 8 points 3 years ago

State Rep. Brad Sherman, a Republican, even released a newsletter saying that the principle of church/state separation didn’t apply to this display because the state was inherently Christian. After all, he claimed, the Iowa Constitution refers to a “Supreme Being.”

According to these opening lines of our Constitution, the foundation for laws and continued blessing and success in Iowa is based on these points:

    There is One Supreme God.

    Blessings over this state come from the One Supreme God

    We must depend upon the One Supreme God if we want to enjoy continued blessings.

It is a tortured and twisted interpretation of law that affords Satan, who is universally understood to be the enemy of God, religious expression equal to God in an institution of government that depends upon God for continued blessings. Such a legal view not only violates the very foundation of our State Constitution, but it offends the God upon whom we depend and undermines our wellbeing.

…

Therefore, based on the laws of God and the Constitution of the State of Iowa, and for the purpose of securing the blessings of God upon our state: 

    I am calling for our governor to have this blasphemous display removed immediately based on the grounds that it is unconstitutional and *offends God upon whom the State of Iowa depends for blessings.*

    I am calling for clarifying legislation to be adopted in accordance with our State Constitution that prohibits satanic displays in our Capitol building and on all state owned property.

    I am calling for legislation to be adopted that makes it legal to display the Ten Commandments in our Capitol, in all buildings owned by the state, and in our public schools.

If we want the blessings of God upon our state, we must demonstrate by our laws and actions that we are indeed depending upon Him and that we are opposed to Satan.
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cryptosporidium140 9 points 3 years ago
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athos77 102 points 3 years ago

evangelist Joel Tenney, who wanted someone fired over the inclusion and implied (in the comments) that he would personally vandalize the “grossest form of idolatry I have ever seen in my state.” He even asked his followers, “Who’s gonna bail me out?!”

No, he deliberately riled up his followers, then referenced the need for "bail money" like six different times. Guy is just after the money. Hmm, I wonder what his holy book says about money?

Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless.

Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have.

You cannot serve both God and money.

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Oops

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Johnvanjim 36 points 3 years ago

“It is more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.”

I don’t know, seems vague…

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PlasticExistence 19 points 3 years ago

Yeah, like they don't say how big the camel is - or the needle!

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ICastFist 10 points 3 years ago

It's a metaphor, a parable, because the wealthy can buy a really big needle, see! It's difficult because they have to ask for a custom made needle

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PlasticExistence 9 points 3 years ago

Those poor, misunderstood wealthy people!

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frezik 12 points 3 years ago

The needle was a side door in a city wall. The source for this is up my ass.

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pandacoder 10 points 3 years ago

Luckily they live in the United States of Amoneyca and they are Coinageans praying to the all mighty green and papery Georgod Washington. They can serve both God and money because they are one and the same.

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ChunkMcHorkle 102 points 3 years ago

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uriel238 20 points 3 years ago

They will remember soon enough. When a state takes a religion it is typically pressured to get very specific, and then persecute (convert or imprison / execute) those that do not conform.

This was is the crux of the issue in the troubles, which is itching to start up again.

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ChunkMcHorkle 5 points 3 years ago

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tsonfeir 75 points 3 years ago

There is One Supreme God.

Clearly they’re talking about Cthulhu, who is not a fan of goats.

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MonkderZweite 20 points 3 years ago

There's only the mighty pasta.

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nonfuinoncuro 7 points 3 years ago

Ramen.

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spwyll 16 points 3 years ago

Have you even read the Mythos? Cthulhu is the priest of the Old Gods.

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tsonfeir 13 points 3 years ago

I’ll worship how I like.

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feedum_sneedson 2 points 3 years ago

I see, I see.

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IHadTwoCows 14 points 3 years ago
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spwyll 13 points 3 years ago

The Black Goat of the Woods, being land-based, is clearly younger (and therefor inferior to) Dagon.

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ICastFist 5 points 3 years ago

Well, duh, the real Dagon is Mehrunes!

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CitizenKong 9 points 3 years ago

Heresy!!! Nothing is above Azathoth!!!!

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IHadTwoCows 5 points 3 years ago
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tsonfeir 7 points 3 years ago

Damn thee! That scheming little bitch will crumble before the primal force that is our one true god!!!

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YungOnions 9 points 3 years ago

DAMN ye! Let Neptune strike ye dead, tsonfeir! HAAAAAARRRRRK! Hark! Triton! Hark! Bellow! Bid our father, the Sea King, rise from the depths, full-foul in his fury, black waves teeming with salt-foam, to smother this young mouth with pungent slime, to choke ye, engorging your organs 'till ye turn blue and bloated with bilge and brine and can scream no more... only when, he, crowned in cockle shells with slithering tentacled tail and steaming beard, takes up his fell, be-finnèd arm – his coral-tined trident screeches banshee-like in the tempest and plunges right through yer gullet! BURSTING YE, a bulging bladder no more, but a blasted bloody film now – a nothing for the Harpies and the souls of dead sailors to peck and claw and feed upon, only to be lapped up and swallowed by the infinite waters of the Dread Emperor himself, forgotten to any man, to any time, forgotten to any god or devil, forgotten even to the sea... for any stuff or part of tsonfeir, even any scantling of your soul, is tsonfeir no more, but is now itself the sea!

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IHadTwoCows 1 point 3 years ago
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Epicurus0319 1 point 3 years ago
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nobleshift 62 points 3 years ago
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JackiesFridge 17 points 3 years ago

Why should we come up with a new idea? They don't.

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Johnvanjim 2 points 3 years ago
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douglasg14b 52 points 3 years ago

Wow, that rep has no business being a representative when they can't even understand what separation of church and state means. And somehow are intellectually challenged enough to believe that being a "Christian state" means the law no longer applies...?

Wtf

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Weirdfish 9 points 3 years ago

A rep you say, better not look too close at the house speaker.

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FriendOfElphaba 46 points 3 years ago

Satan sucks!

He also does this thing with his tongue that’s absolutely amazing.

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RandoCalrandian 6 points 3 years ago

Best comment here

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some_guy 33 points 3 years ago

I encourage all to donate to the Satanic Temple today.

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gregorum 32 points 3 years ago

“Stop challenging my mythical worldview! Whaaaaaaa!”

lmao

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BeautifulMind 28 points 3 years ago

I'm just watching here as this guy gets super-angry about blasphemy

And wondering if he realizes this is exactly why we need separation of church and state

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SupraMario 7 points 3 years ago

They're to fucking stupid to understand that.

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Shave_MyBeever 4 points 3 years ago

*too

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GBU_28 27 points 3 years ago

These topics interest me because I can imagine how inflexible religious fundamentalists must be.

Like, to atheists or satanists seeing a Christian display is at most annoying.

For hardcore Christians seeing a satanic display is a literal challenge from God to be strong, to be loyal. They see it as a glitch in the matrix or some shit, like a virus.

Same as Muslims and displays of Muhammad.

They simply can't compute the continued existence of such things.

And it makes me laugh.

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Kecessa 9 points 3 years ago

*some Muslims

Not all branches think the same about displays of Muhammad

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RandoCalrandian -1 points 3 years ago

That means nothing to everyone else while some still kill over it

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ASeriesOfPoorChoices 3 points 3 years ago

Hashtag NotAllChristians ?

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RandoCalrandian -1 points 3 years ago

I haven’t heard of Christians that kill over depictions of Christ, and to my knowledge the crusades were over centuries ago

In fact, I’ve never once worried one of my actions might inspire a Christian to come and kill me, like labeling a stick figure “Muhammad” might do

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ASeriesOfPoorChoices 1 point 3 years ago

To be clear, it means everything to everyone. You're being an asshole bigot here. Even worse, defending Christian terrorism.

A bigoted hypocrite.

This attitude is not welcome here, or anywhere.

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RandoCalrandian 0 points 3 years ago

That you think the levels of violence are comparable is hilarious, and shows how much of a deluded bigot you are

Projection, thy name is ASeriesOfPoorChoices, quite ironically

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penguinsAreRapists 14 points 3 years ago path: 0 6042291, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 0
Jaysyn 13 points 3 years ago

I hope they choke to death on it.

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kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E 9 points 3 years ago

All praise Satan!

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Lophostemon 5 points 3 years ago

LOL

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platypus_plumba 0 points 3 years ago

I'm just happy they're not happy. I don't even care about the satanic church, just another useless group.

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Tavarin 33 points 3 years ago

It's an atheist group designed to point out religious hypocrisy. It actually has been rather useful.

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platypus_plumba -13 points 3 years ago

I honestly don't see the hypocrisy, Satanists are using the image of the thing Christians consider to be the root of all evil. Of course Christians aren't going to like it. But keep annoying them, I like it. Just a bunch of atheists trying to trigger Christians, lol.

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Tavarin 20 points 3 years ago

The hypocrisy is the state allowing christian displays on government property, but not displays from other religions.

So use a display from a "religion" they hate will either make them remove the christian imagery and preserve the separation of church and state, or make the government allow symbols form all religions and beliefs, and thus being inclusive to the population.

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platypus_plumba -10 points 3 years ago

But... the state allowed it, didn't it? They were also allowing any other religion to participate. I'm still not seeing it.

Plus, I'm also not seeing how this is pushing the division between state and religion. They'll obviously include the Satanists before they stop having affairs with Christianity. So this is just annoying Christians, there's no grand scheme.

You could refute this by showing me evidence of an instance in which the Satanisc church succeeded in dividing church and state. The instance from the post isn't one of them.

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nova_ad_vitum 13 points 3 years ago

This is literally their use lol. They're the reason you're happy.

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KairuByte 11 points 3 years ago

I want to clear one thing up, there are two main religious groups centered around Satan.

The first is The Satanic Temple which is a secular religion based around holding government accountable when they overstep into the religious side of things, which is obviously against the constitution.

The second is the Church of Satan, which doesn’t really get involved in politics, and doesn’t actually believe in Satan.

They are two different entities, with two very different end goals.

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Thrawne 3 points 3 years ago

There is also Temple of Set when CoS isnt enough for you

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uriel238 10 points 3 years ago

The Satanic Temple generally uses their position as the antithesis to Christianity to pressure government departments to keep distance between themselves and religious institutions. For instance, if government committees open with a prayer, they'll ask that sometimes it is a Satanic prayer (and have made one for just such an occasion).

The TST is generally atheist, even if Satan did give us Rock-&-Roll and Dungeons & Dragons.

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TopRamenBinLaden 5 points 3 years ago

The Satanic Church is Laveyan Satanism and different than the Satanic Temple. Laveyan Saranism is mostly just about individualism, and is too Ayn Randish for my liking. The Satanic Temple is just an awesome group of atheists and agnostic people that advocates for rational thought and the separation of church and state.

The Satanic Temple uses Satanic imagery and symbolism mostly just to scare the Christian politicians and legislators into voting to remove their own symbols and laws from legislation. That and also because it looks cool. They also provide religious exemption to members for medical reasons and non-Christian holidays and such.

They do a lot of good things, like fight for the separation of church and state, reproductive rights, and equality. It's mostly just a big club of nice goth kids who generally want to make the world a better place. I have been a "member" for years, but I have only really gone to a few meetups and park cleanups with my local congregation.

If anyone is interested to "join", it's completely free for anyone to claim membership, and use them for religious exemptions, etc. They have a membership card and certificate for a 25 dollar donation on their website. If you want to participate in their activities, find your local congregation on their website, and join their community on whatever chat app that they use. I found it to be one of the most welcoming communities, and they are always doing good things and fun events.

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platypus_plumba 4 points 3 years ago

I like your lack of toxicity, now I feel bad for being the way I am. Anyways, I wanted to learn about instances in which the church of satan has promoted the separation of state and church, beyond just annoying or triggering Christians. I mean actual legislation.

Is there any place where I can find this information?

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TopRamenBinLaden 3 points 3 years ago

So, I don't think that The Church of Satan has done anything to affect legislation, as that group is more about promoting self worship, and not really about legal advocacy at all.

The Satanic Temple has done quite a few things on the state level in different areas of the country. My state chapter has gotten rid of Christian brainwashing clubs in public schools, and fought to have Christian symbolism removed from our courtrooms.

If you look here on the Satanic Temple website, the top of the page is filled with different ongoing legal battles against different state governments that are currently underway. A lot of the congregations are focused on advocating for the right to perform abortion on religious grounds, currently.

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BearWolf -5 points 3 years ago
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get_the_reference_ 6 points 3 years ago

I just read the "Christmas Message" from our CEO, I will paraphrase, "thanks God for sending your son Jesus to save us!" Wish I could quit.

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