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magnetosphere 109 points 3 years ago

Probably the best line I have read in any article this month:

I drove back and forth to a bookstore job in an ancient Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais so apocalyptically derelict that when I got pulled over for a busted taillight, the lady cop fixed me with sad eyes and asked "Is everything OK with you?"

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SeeJayEmm 77 points 3 years ago

This article is peppered with em.

The reason those companies, and not Tesla, know how to build cars that (in general) can drive from here to there without dropping a wheel or bursting into flames is not that they are staffed by a bunch of centenarian Lore Wizards who learned the secrets of auto manufacture back in nineteen-aught-dickity and now hide this sacred knowledge in a walled mountaintop abbey.

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fubo 70 points 3 years ago path: 0 6179012, hotness: undefined, score: 70, children: 9
SeeJayEmm 72 points 3 years ago

Did you read it? It's an opinion piece that references the Reuters report, and several articles, and is an absolute BLAST to read.

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poopkins 29 points 3 years ago

How on earth did you reach the conclusion the blog is spam?!

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brlemworld 2 points 3 years ago

They couldn't even be bothered to replace the default WordPress favicon

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kattenluik 8 points 3 years ago

If you just go to any of the actual information pages about the blog, you'll very quickly see it's a genuine thing.

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poopkins 8 points 3 years ago

One would expect a spam blog to at least serve ads? Seems like a lot of effort to write an entire editorial without even so much as a revenue stream.

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ElderWendigo 1 point 3 years ago
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doofusmagoo 21 points 3 years ago

Respectfully, Defector is about the furthest thing from a spam blog that you'll find on the internet, my dude/lady.

It was formed a few years back by writers fleeing the sinking ship that was Deadspin.

I'd encourage you to check out some of their other articles and judge for yourself.

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gravitas_deficiency 5 points 3 years ago

It pretty clearly states in the first paragraph that it’s a blog. It’s okay to post blogs. Moreover, the author specifically encourages reading the quoted Reuters report:

The Reuters piece is quite long, and earns its length with an incredible wealth of damning receipts, including internal Tesla communications making clear that the company has known about its own shoddy work for a long time, even as it deceived investors, regulators, and drivers. I urge you to read it for yourself.

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MonkderZweite 1 point 3 years ago
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dsco 34 points 3 years ago

Brutal op-ed

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QuandaleDingle 5 points 3 years ago

Brutal indeed.

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Nobody 3 points 3 years ago

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TheMusicalFruit 34 points 3 years ago

The bloom was off the rose pretty early with people that know about cars. I remember seeing a video of an engineering team disassembling one a few years after they launched and finding all sorts of crazy assembly problems that you’d think would have been worked out by then. I’m talking about bad welds, some not in the correct place, and random bolts rattling around in door panels, that kind of stuff. I give them credit for capturing the collective imagination on what an electric car could be and championing them as cool. But they still have a lot of work to do to catch up in the quality and reliability realm compared to established car companies. The fact that they have significantly less moving parts yet still haven’t been shown to be more reliable than a lot of ICE vehicles says something.

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Jeknilah 14 points 3 years ago

It makes them too much money. When they're charging tens of thousands for a battery replacement, and the only way to fix the car without getting banned from the charging network is to go to the dealership... this will never get fixed.

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negativeyoda -1 points 3 years ago

*fewer moving parts

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ExLisper 20 points 3 years ago

IDK, even since Fight Club we know that cars have defects that kill people and the car companies send Edward Norton to check if it's cheaper to pay to the victims or go to court. This is nothing new. I wouldn't get to worked up about it until I've seen some statistics saying that for example Tesla drivers get into more accidents than other drivers or something. O, wait...

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banneryear1868 3 points 3 years ago

This isn't true because of what was said by a character in a movie. Planned obsolescence is a thing the big 3 pioneered.

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yesman 3 points 3 years ago

So it's OK because other companies have been shitty, besides Tyler Durden warned us?

But I give you credit, this is the first time I've seen Fight Club unironically used as a source outside the Incel community.

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ExLisper 1 point 3 years ago

No, it's not OK but we have seen better reporting on how shitty Tesla is than this article. I don't think it really proves anything.

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Introversion 13 points 3 years ago

Fuck me, that’s good blogging!

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trackcharlie 12 points 3 years ago

Seems more like a hit piece on tesla than an article describing actual issues that have statistics associated with it.

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set_secret 6 points 3 years ago

we're not allowed to say that around these part.....but yes it definitely is.

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trackcharlie -6 points 3 years ago

I just don't understand why so many people shit on the companies, customers and employees for something a borderline retarded CEO says or does.

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negativeyoda 2 points 3 years ago

I mean, probably because musk has been so insufferable and publicly injects himself into the DNA of his brands. Musk and Tesla are deeply intertwined.

I think walmart and Google overall are worse than Tesla, but Sam Walton and the Google CEO I'd have to... ahem, Google, don't slather their ids all over every aspect of those companies. That had the sense to keep their mouths shut and not hog the spotlight

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Strykker 0 points 3 years ago

I mean wouldn't any article about Tesla build quality come off as a hit piece due to how shit the build quality is?

They ain't doing anything good in there.

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trackcharlie 1 point 3 years ago

Sure, if the only thing they were talking about was just the build quality. However they didn't decide to stop there, nor in my opinion, did they keep it professional at all. The article reads more like the opinion piece of someone who's got a personal vendetta against tesla or the ceo rather than someone judging a vehicle on its quality of construction.

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KingThrillgore 8 points 3 years ago

What amazes me is this is a luxury brand of car, which should have a higher quality of part. And its built like a badly assembled kit car.

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Smoogs 8 points 3 years ago

“I’m just gonna make a car out of cardboard box cuz I refuse to be told how to do it by a b-b-b-BOOOMER!”

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DeepGradientAscent 5 points 3 years ago

Maybe I'm dense, but I don't know what your sarcasm is supposed to be implying?

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Smoogs -4 points 3 years ago

Read the article.

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DeepGradientAscent 5 points 3 years ago

I did.

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halcyondays 1 point 3 years ago
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set_secret -58 points 3 years ago
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bizzle 16 points 3 years ago

You should read the Reuters article, there's actually some pretty bad stuff in there.

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Mr_Blott 7 points 3 years ago

He can't, he's too busy trying to get his Tesla fixed 😂

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SuperSpecialNickname 15 points 3 years ago

Did you even read this? The car's suspension fell off going over a speed bump because the wiring was corroded when it went through a car wash and charged a man 4400 dollars for it. If that isn't a cause for outrage then I don't know what is.

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set_secret -4 points 3 years ago

Yes, I read this. Yes, that's bad, but it's one instance, ONE. Are you conveniently forgetting the hundreds of insane recalls that have happened from other car manufacturers in the past, many with equal or worse safety hazards? Yes, Tesla has issues, like many car manufacturers, but the unhinged vitriol directed at Tesla is just bizarre. I don’t know, maybe people have this latent guilt for driving ICEs, and attacking EV companies somehow alleviates this guilt? Perhaps it's envy (although the Model 3 is hardly an expensive car now). The fact that so many people did actually read the article and then went on to apply zero critical analysis of it is typical, though I suspect most people, once again, saw a headline 'Tesla bad' and upvoted."

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SuperSpecialNickname 1 point 3 years ago

That isn't one instance but one of tens of thousands. https://www.reuters.com/... The most insulting thing is they blame the customers and change them. I like EVs and I belive in them, and I liked Tesla too, but I was disappointed in it by it's shitty practices.

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set_secret 1 point 3 years ago

sorry you're correct, however this is a small percentage given the number of vehicles sold like 1%. i don't think it justifies Teslas being branded as poorly engineered pieces of junk. only 12 crashes have been attributed to this.

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carpelbridgesyndrome 4 points 3 years ago

Probably the wheels falling off their cars. But I don't know I actually read the article

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set_secret -2 points 3 years ago

yeah you read it, but you didn't apply any critical analysis to it, based on your comment...

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wahming 2 points 3 years ago

unsubstantiated

The incredibly detailed, lengthy, and impeccably sourced Reuters report wasn't enough?

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set_secret 1 point 3 years ago

sry, i mean apart from that.

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brlemworld -12 points 3 years ago

I've had a Tesla 3 years. It's not brittle junk. It's the best car I've ever had and hopefully the last car I ever have to buy.

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Tja -11 points 3 years ago

Second this. Bought a Model 3 almost 3 years ago, before Musk went full unhinged.

Yeah it's not perfect, but it's a great car, especially for the money. Any issues I had, have been solved by the warranty service.

I probably wouldn't buy one now, but back in early 2021 it was the best thing on the market.

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blazera -59 points 3 years ago

They just felt like writing whatever they wanted for the headline huh?

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psychothumbs 25 points 3 years ago

How so? Doesn't seem like much of a disconnect with the article as sometimes happens.

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blazera -25 points 3 years ago

Where is the "supposed to be glad" part in the article?

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Volkditty 30 points 3 years ago

Last paragraph...

"Then the wheel falls off while you're driving, or the autopilot plows into a jersey wall, and you're meant to be thrilled.* Glad even. Grateful! This is proof: You were an early adopter. A beta tester, a brave explorer. You're helping to work out the bugs, mapping new territory. Who knows? In a hundred years this car's descendants might be as reliable as cars that by then will be 150 years old, and you will have played a part in making it so. Won't that be nice.

*Assuming you lived through it."

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blazera -32 points 3 years ago

But they're claiming this as being something said or insinuated or anything from Tesla themselves. Who is telling Tesla owners they're supposed to be happy when their cars have problems?

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sardaukar 8 points 3 years ago

Found the fanboy

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GentlemanLoser 15 points 3 years ago

Yeah, that's literally how opinion pieces work! Would be pretty silly otherwise huh?

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Endorkend 15 points 3 years ago

Teslas are known as the Panel Gap kings of the automotive industry, even in countries that still have clear memories of British Leyland where you were never even sure the doors on your car were actually meant for the model you bought.

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BruceTwarzen 4 points 3 years ago

At least that's just visual. Still shit for a car that expensive. But the welding and "engineering" holy shit these are crappy cars

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gregorum 3 points 3 years ago

The unvarnished truth?

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