Zoomers memed themselves into liking them. I'm amazed

Corrective surgery for this woman's face?

I know, right? As a huge Star Wars nerd who was in middle school when 1 came out, I didn't even bother to go see 2 in theaters, and to this day I still haven't seen 3 all the way through because I have such a bad taste in my mouth.

In fact, the way Lucas shit all over the established lore and canon to produce such a flaming turd turned me off to the entire IP and I didn't read a Star Wars book or watch a show/movie until I gave Ep 7 a try because my FiL wanted to see it in the theater. That one I actually enjoyed (contrary to popular opinion), and I'll say that the first season of Mandalorian and Bad Batch was decent, too. I haven't seen Andor, but I probably will based on everyone's reviews.

But the last Star Wars work that I still actually like and that I still think stands on its own two feet was Empire Strikes Back.

Cool concept. But george lucas wasnt creative enough for that theory. He almost had an nsync segment in episode one because his daughter liked nsync.

No, they were still bad. I thought the same as you and watched them again. It all just felt awkward.

That’s what people used to say about 1-3.

The Last Jedi also has a lot of problems, but The Rise of Skywalker is possibly the worst film in the entire franchise. I’m still annoyed about the fact that they had a better script with a genuinely interesting story (Duel of the Fates), and cancelled it for the shitshow that was Rise of Skywalker.

I found 9 enjoyable, but I had no expectations that it would be good or coherent. 8 made sure that there was no chance of that.

For what 9 had to do in a single movie, it did a reasonable job. Kylo had to be redeemed, Rey needed her jedi moment, an actual threat needed to be established, Leia's death needed acknowledgement, rebels/resistance needed to be more than 20 people on a ship, poe and finn needed some sort of arc, and the good guys had to win.

I love giving first time watchers the machete watching order. Watch episode 4 and 5, and then watch 2 and 3 to give Vader some backstory after he reveals that he's Luke's dad. Then cap it off with episode 6 as the conclusion for Luke's and Anakin's story.

Or I can start with Rogue One. I know one of my friends became a fan after watching Rogue One.

The prequels are bad. The third one started getting it right, but then they were done.

They had good ideas to expand the Star Wars lore, but bad acting and bad writing ruined them.

I actually prefer the sequels, but imo The Mandalorian is the best Star Wars project to date.

8 killed Star Wars for me. I don't think I will ever watch the 9. Or what ever cash grabs they try next.

Uh, no?

Episode 1 in is entertaining. 2 and 3 are just awful. Especially 2.

No

Seriously! I absolutely adore/loathe Dedra Meero. She's such a well written character, I can't help but hate the woman.

I actually left out Andor simply because I haven't finished it. I started it with somebody else and our schedules have never lined up to watch the rest. I'm about to just do it on my own.

Completely agree. My favorite scene in the show is in the first episode when the second in command dude gets told off by the station commander about how the troopers were off doing some shit they shouldn't be doing and ended up picking a fight with the wrong person. You get everything you need to know about in that series in like 2 minutes of dialogue. You can see the bureaucracy, the dedication/patriotism, the "grey area" where the bad guys are bad but the good guys are bad too. And most importantly no cute fucking animals. We just get a straight up world building story with real humans that treats the audience like real adults capable of complex thought that can understand the nuance of why conflict arrises.

objectively

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

the objective definition of garbage fire is literal refuse that is aflame. the sequel trilogies are movies, not quickly-oxidizing litter. the phrase can be used subjectively to describe the percieved quality of something, which is what you're doing here. if you're going to pedant at least do it right.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I rather enjoyed 7 and 8. Granted I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, but I thought they were fun adventure movies with some really cool moments.

Rey beats

barely survives a battle with

ren

moments after he's been shot by a wookiee bowcaster, which we've seen throw stormtroopers off their feet with massive gaping holes

when she first picks up a lightsaber, after having no experience even with a sword.

but extensive and demonstrated experience with a staff

This is the same ren that was trained by Luke

partially

and then smoke

who has no demonstrated skill with a lightsaber

since birth, and should be all accounts be nearly the best duelist current alive.

Which is your headcanon. It's not supported or implied by the film. In fact, the fact that he his lightsaber is falling apart and running ragged would rather imply that he hasn't focused much on dueling at all. But even if he is a grandmaster—I bet I could do pretty well against Michael Jordan one-on-one if he had a fresh two-inch bullet hole in his abdomen.

They immediately turn ren into a joke by having poe be not even the slightest bit intimidated by an extremely powerful darksider who can melt your brain with the force.

Which is so very unlike Han Solo, who is not even the slightest bit intimidated by Darth Vader's interrogation of him in Cloud City.

Their choreography was so bad they had to edit out a dagger mid fight or Rey would've died.

Which is so very unlike A New Hope, which features a stormtrooper bonking his head on a door in what's intended to be a serious moment of threat for the heroes.

The dice are both real and not real moments apart.

Which is so very unlike how Imperial troops don't care about droids in the escape pod but tthen do care about droids in the escape pod moments apart.

Hyperspace ramming.(is actually a thing, but also simply isn't feasible)

Hyperspace ramming is amazing and I will die on this hill. Have you seen the xkcd what-if about relativistic baseball? Heavy stuff goin fast makes big boom happen. Finn later says that it's a one-in-a-million shot, so there's no way that an understaffed organization like the Rebellion would've ever wasted people (even droids) or ships on something so unlikely to work before if there was any other option, and the Empire never needed to.

Plus, the Supremacy had been tracking the Resistance through hyperspace, which means it had to have been slightly opaque to hyperspace to receive a signal, increasing the situationality of the Holdo Maneuver.

Episode 8 was so bad I got turned off star wars for like 2 years,

I was so thrilled that they decided to try some new stuff with TLJ that I became an instant Rian Johnson fan. I don't think it all works perfectly, but so much of it would've been amazing if they had just stuck with it for episode 9.

and I still won't watch somehow palpatine returned" the movie

I agree that it's the weakest of the sequels. It might be the weakest of the nine, but that's a toss-up with AOTC, and I'll need a few more years to be able to make that assessment objectively.

The bottom line for me is, there's nothing in any of the ST that ruins it for me. The sequel trilogy is probably the weakest of the saga, but it's still fine and I'm sticking with that assessment.

Whoa buddy. Nobody deserves to do that to themselves.

But yeah, the groupthink and useless discussion-enders drive me up a wall. Hate leads to suffering, but you wouldn't know it in the Star Wars fandom.

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In my opinion the bad movie is really the second one. You can cut that movie almost completely. There's like 2-3 scenes of actually trilogi plot relevant stuff in there and so much crap. Even as a kid I absolutely hated ping-pong ball Yoda.

The majority sets up the Clone wars tv-series which is great and where you actually see Anakin develop as a character and towards the dark side, the stuff in AotC is just not it.

The dialogue is worse than any other Star Wars movie without any contest. Pretty much every line that gets memed on is from AotC.

It's an action movie with some cool fighting for sure, but that has never been the appeal of Star Wars to me. As such it's to this date the second worst Star Wars movie in my book.

Strongly disagree. Episode One was definitely the worst, but the whole trilogy was basically 6 hours worth of a creator having no idea what made his IP successful in the first place while desperately trying to out merchandise Return of the Jedi. They were toy commercials more than they were movies.

Also hot take: Darth Maul was a worthless character and we need to stop perpetuating the idea that he was somehow badass. He showed up for like 3 scenes, killed one equally useless Jedi, then died with a dumb look on his face because he couldn't hit a guy jumping directly over his head. Except he didn't die because Dave Filoni thinks he loves Star Wars while feeling the need to retcon everything about it. Boba Fett had more effective screen time and impact on the story than Maul, and we all know how useless Fett is.

Nostalgia is the only reason anyone looks back fondly on the prequels, and I dread the day nostalgia overtakes the sequels and I have to start biting my tongue on those too for fear of backlash.

You want to get back to what Star Wars originally was? Cut 90% of the budget, heavily criticize every creative decision, and treat the entire production like a goddamned venereal disease. Star Wars was a textbook example of art through adversity and benefited hugely from it. That's what been lost and no one is talking about it.

Nah, man. The prequels were mercilessly assaulted on the internet for a long time. There must be a new generation of fans praising them now, or maybe the newer movies are so bad that they make the prequels seem good in comparison, so everyone's revised their opinions.

Just wait until the next Lord of the Rings thing, then people will be saying that Ring of Power was underappreciated at the time.

Actually I already think that, it's a solid "okay" but people are acting like it broke into their house and burned their copies of The Lord of the Rings

There is now a well known podcast called “Blank Check with Griffin and David”, but when it first started back in 2015 it was “Griffin and David Present”. Back then, its original premise was for two epic level film nerds to do a deep (and humorous) dive into the episodes 1-3 and try to answer the question “what is this about?” (Spoiler alert: they are as confused as you are).

The show, like all podcasts, can be divisive. Some people (myself included) love Griffin’s spastic enthusiasm for pop culture, and David’s rooted but optimistic view of cinema, and they both have a deep well of knowledge on all things cinema. Those early episodes are gold, and really made me understand things about where Lucas’s head was at with many choices he made in eps 1-3. They are still terrible movies, but it’s really eye opening to see how Lucas, on his own, makes nothing but terrible choices, and is singularly obsessed with merchandising and taxes.

I should go back and re-listen to them. I hope I’m remembering them accurately, because I remember loving that run of episodes.

The line when Qui Gon describes midi-chlorians to baby Darth Vader is the dumbest shit ever:

Without midi-chlorians there would be no life and we would have no knowledge of the midi-chlorians.

Like no fucking shit we would have no knowledge of something if there was NO LIFE numbnuts.

Guys, calm down, it's been garbage the whole time, it's your attachment to the movie you had when you watched them at an impressionable age that makes them feel better to you.

Rogue One perfectly leading into Ep IV is a great achievement for the film.

Every time I watch it I want to immediately watch IV. It's why I was so hyped for Andor

You might be the only person I've heard of who didn't like IV and V, but liked Rogue One. I'm picturing a thread with people debating whether Terminator 1 or 2 is better, and you're like "those are mid, Genisys is the one I like." It's just a fascinatingly rare take.

Empire Strikes Back is pretty universally acclaimed as being in the top 2 of star wars movie, and most people's #1. I'm curious what didn't do it for you. Is it just too old now? Overhyped? Do you think the pacing is bad and you get bored? Genuinely, I would expect that if somebody didn't like that one, they didn't like any of them except maybe one of the new shows like Andor and/or The Mandalorian, mostly because they are tonally different and appeal to a different, wider audience.

So friction is where you draw the line? Not huge explosions and sound?

In 20 years you're going to be trying to find something to watch and flicking through the channels/streamers you're going to see it and realize you haven't watched it in ages. Then the nostalgia will kick in and it won't seem half as bad as you thought it was in 2017 (dear god 2037 isn't as far away as it feels 🫨) and you'll actually enjoy it. You might even have a few youngins you want to share the experience with and you'll spend Christmas vacation watching the entire franchise with the littles.

It happens to all of us eventually. Well, a lot of us.

The ridiculous Mary Poppins scene was not the way to introduce Jedi Leia.

Anything before makes some sense, but a sloooooow moving carpet bomber that only works when on top of other spacecraft? I find it hard to believe it's mass produced, that's where i have to suspend my logical sense on top of my disbelieve for it to make sense, and it's only one small part of the problem.

Someone getting offended over other people's opinions and saying words like "litmus" test is enough to tell me they smell their own farts.

Hating on TLJ is basic. Someone who likes it has a different worldview worthy of conversation.

You do know us Millennials were teens when the prequels came out and grown ass fully-developed adults for the sequels, right? bruh we grew up on the OG unaltered trilogy just like you did.

What about my millennial or younger?