Sovereign citizen changed their gas and electricity meters, that didn't go over so well.

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Hairyblue 220 points 3 years ago

Sovereign Citizens are crazy. Who thinks they can live in our society, use the things our taxes built, steal from companies, not follow the rules and laws our society made and just say they are special and get to do it. These people want to be leeches. How about pay your taxes, pay for products and services you use, follow the laws and join the society. We all must live together and there are rules.

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lurch 161 points 3 years ago

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SkyezOpen 100 points 3 years ago

Yeah, fuckin freeloading babies. Crows repay kindness with shiny things though, so I'd take them off the list.

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Blue_Morpho 57 points 3 years ago

During the snow storm a couple weeks ago, I put a pack of walnuts and dried fruit out for the 3 crows that are always in my yard. The next day they were staring in the window at me so I put another pack out.

That afternoon around 100 crows were on my house pooping on everything. A week later my driveway and deck still have a solid covering of poop that the rain hasn't been able to wash away.

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SkyezOpen 31 points 3 years ago

Keep feeding them and you'll have a loyal army of crows, and that's more than worth the cost of peanuts and a power washer.

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7u5k3n 26 points 3 years ago

You're a good human. But no good deed goes in punished.

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WashedOver 10 points 3 years ago

This seems to fall into the no good deed shall go unpunished...

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kittyjynx 8 points 3 years ago

Put a dollar bill with the next pack of fruit and nuts and see if they will start bringing you cash.

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Ghyste 5 points 3 years ago

That's a sign of affection from a bird.

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Mikey4021 16 points 3 years ago

It does, except rich people just pay this stuff cos it is negligible. They avoid consiquences by throwing money at their issues in the form of lawyers. (Or just money presented by lawyers).

These poor people have been conned into thinking that the law doesnt apply to them or worse still there is some super secret underground law that only the elite know. Truth is, in civil law with enough money and time there are no consequences because your oponant cant afford to keep fighting, and if they can by the time there is consiquences youve made so much you dont give a fuck.

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undercrust 12 points 3 years ago

You leave corvids out of this!

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SonnyVabitch 6 points 3 years ago

Corvids are the shit man! We're one opposable feather away from becoming the number two most dominant species on the planet.

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Ghyste 4 points 3 years ago

See, here's the thing...

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MrSpArkle 71 points 3 years ago

This is basically the core of Republican ideology. Living off of the benefits of society while claiming to be 100% self made and then destroying the underpinning of that social fabric because it “isn’t needed”.

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quams69 29 points 3 years ago

I mean, you're also describing the ultra wealthy

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iAvicenna 10 points 3 years ago

They are a bit different, the rich found out how to be leeches while still following the law (or making it seem like they do) whereas these guys are more like both leeching and shouting out loud that they are leeching

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Coreidan 6 points 3 years ago

And? We all know the wealthy are leeches and bad for society.

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Sheeple 9 points 3 years ago

On another note it's kind of nearly impossible to really at all decouple yourself from society. Even as a literal homeless person who is denied every single benefit of society you're subject to the poaching by tax agencies (I've been there. Imagine building up radio tax debt when you are literally live on the streets).

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Ilovethebomb 7 points 3 years ago

Imagine building up radio tax debt

I'm sorry, what?

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Sheeple 2 points 3 years ago

Welcome to Germany

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Ilovethebomb 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the explanation.

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tpihkal 3 points 3 years ago

Strange way to spell shoplifters.

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Sheeple 0 points 3 years ago

Most shoplifters do so out of necessity and desperation because society failed them

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PrettyLights 3 points 3 years ago

Disagree, shoplifting has become an organized crime ring in many cases.

I'm not gonna sound the alarm over people stealing basic necessities, but I'm constantly seeing people running out of local stores with carts full of electronics, makeup, and other resale items.

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Daveyborn 4 points 3 years ago

I saw a very desperate looking man shoving cans of beans down his pants way back in the day, I saw nothing.

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tpihkal -4 points 3 years ago

If you've chosen to steal from someone else, you've failed yourself.

Source: experience.

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Uranium3006 3 points 3 years ago

Clearly you've never been poor before

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Sheeple -2 points 3 years ago

So your source is "dude trust me"

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TheOneAndOnly -45 points 3 years ago

I can almost get it, when I watch the state and federal government take 30 percent or more of the money I earned, so they can give it to clowns like Trump and a Biden to do stupid shit that I don't agree with. And don't give me any, "be the change you want to see!", bullshit either. The fact of the matter is, if you've got the millions, you can do what you want, pay the fine, bribe the officials to look the other way, and generally be left the fuck alone. If you don't, and you've never been given the tools and/or opportunity to get out from under living paycheck to paycheck to survive, it's easy to understand the mental gymnastics necessary to believe in this shit. It's ignorant speak for, "leave me the fuck alone". Let me be clear that I fully understand and agree with the idea that this idiot wants to steal from a utility company... I'm just saying, if you don't have the ability, resources, or education to find a place where you can live "off the grid", looking for magical solutions isn't hard to understand.

Shit, Disney trained me to believe that all I need to do is wish upon a star...

Fucking stupid cricket.

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JungleJim 138 points 3 years ago

So this person thinks they found a loophole to steal gas and power, and all they have to do is an "I said so" spell, but that the people they're stealing from can't and won't just "I said so" spell right back? "How can I get these people and the cops to stop caring about my theft attempts?"

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ganksy 68 points 3 years ago

Special words. Yup, basically the whole principle behind the sovcit movement.

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JustZ 19 points 3 years ago

I would argue that the real special words behind the sov cits are "I'll just need your credit card number."

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Dultas 12 points 3 years ago

And cargo cults.

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Fedizen 11 points 3 years ago

"You're a sovereign citizen, Harry"

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mateomaui 126 points 3 years ago

so now I’m thinking what is the point

congrats, you’re getting there

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Sagifurius -65 points 3 years ago

Yknow, I kinda hate this smugness about people who just are really awful sick of the constant degradation of rights. Let him have his meters. let him do his own thing. Just shut the power off at the property line. It's all made up bullshit on paper anyways, everyone else just subscribes to the popular model.

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Holyginz 4 points 3 years ago

Except that's not how things work. Nobody is say the way it works is good. But living in your own world and pretending things work differently doesn't make it so and there are consequences.

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mateomaui -24 points 3 years ago

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Sagifurius -34 points 3 years ago

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mateomaui -19 points 3 years ago

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Willie 76 points 3 years ago

I like how they have a guy who changes the meters.

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BonesOfTheMoon 27 points 3 years ago

Imagine what that guy is like!

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bingbong 33 points 3 years ago

Rich

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suodrazah 8 points 3 years ago

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umbrella 63 points 3 years ago

keep the sovcits coming, those are always funny as hell

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BonesOfTheMoon 44 points 3 years ago

I have endless sovcit content. Endless.

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HappycamperNZ 36 points 3 years ago

Thats both great and fucking terrifying

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OsrsNeedsF2P 43 points 3 years ago

I feel like if you're gonna go this hard on being a sovereign citizen, you might as well start actually learning and practicing law

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undercrust 12 points 3 years ago

Is the logic that at least that way they can be formally disbarred?

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webghost0101 -1 points 3 years ago

Kinda, could definitely be a thing. For me it would be to have an official archived record of my stance versus society by appearing before a judge.

I am not doging taxes, have no intention for personal gain and my free independent will seems to be mostly if not almost entirely according to the most common laws. But there is still systematic harm baked into law and for me it invalidates it from having any value or meaning.

If people can logically reason why i would be in the wrong with something i gladly take the punishment to learn to better myself. But just because the holy book 2.0 says so? Fuck that, I’d radicalize myself Further in prison then pay a small fine i believe to be undeserved.

The sovereign people in the post of this place seem To have no backbone or considered that actions has consequences and to fight injustice is to sacrifice oneself.

Its kinda sad i couldn’t have a proper discussion about this earlier. I am openly asking to be challenged using logical reasoning on why i should comply with systematic pointless harm. But i expect this comment too will be downvoted in silence.

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webghost0101 -1 points 3 years ago

Kinda, could definitely be a thing. For me it would be to have an official archived record of my stance versus society by appearing before a judge.

I am not doging taxes, have no intention for personal gain and my free independent will seems to be mostly if not almost entirely according to the most common laws. But there is still systematic harm baked into law and for me it invalidates it from having any value or meaning.

If people can logically reason why i would be in the wrong with something i gladly take the punishment to learn to better myself. But just because the holy book 2.0 says so? Fuck that, I’d radicalize myself Further in prison then pay a small fine i believe to be undeserved.

The sovereign people in the post of this place seem To have no backbone or considered that actions has consequences and to fight injustice is to sacrifice oneself.

Its kinda sad i couldn’t have a proper discussion about this earlier. I am openly asking to be challenged using logical reasoning on why i should comply with systematic pointless harm. But i expect this comment too will be downvoted in silence.

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MsPenguinette 1 point 3 years ago

The logic is that government and laws are backed up with the threat of violence. Unless you can beat them with violence, then you have to play within their rules.

At least they have a system of rules you can play within. Think of a place like North Korea. Being a sovereign there isn't going to get you anywhere but dead.

There are no such things as rights. They are theoretical. Rights are just rules that those with power decided to let you have. Best we can do is try as a collective to make sure that laws provide more good than harm.

So it comes down to what matters more to you: Being right or being free as possible from violence

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webghost0101 1 point 3 years ago

I understand there are many things way worse then what we have now and in many ways i consider myself fortunate to have the life i have.

“laws are backed up with the threat of violence”

As a pacifist how do i even respond with how much issue i take with that. The word “treat” alone. I do not function like that.

I do make an exception for defensive violence, maybe some other like survival or accidental types of violence, but other than that any use of violent force makes me unwilling to belong to the same group, especially if its systematic, makes me firmly against them.

To me it barely sounds different then sure we sacrifice a newborn now and then but its all in the name of safety you see the gods be mad otherwise.

While i have found a way to be both a member of society (my job provides free healthcare to children) ideology wise i fully resist any oppressive system.

You’re right about rights, though this is a matter of perception. To me rights aren't something that are given, but things that no one can take from you without being morally incorrect. For example as a living being you require food to survive, to deny you food is to commit an act of evil. So the way i see it you have a right to food. As nuance i’ll add that personally no one is really obligation to respect anyones rights or to be good. But as a social creature most surely understand the value of mutual respect and community.

So the lesser evil is still evil, we can and must do better, move forward as a species.

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friend_of_satan 38 points 3 years ago

This person didn't learn anything from Native American vs European Settlers history.

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ratman150 73 points 3 years ago

I'd hate to live next to someone this deranged fucking with gas infrastructure.

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TheBat 5 points 3 years ago

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Lemmygizer 11 points 3 years ago

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KISSmyOS 15 points 3 years ago

"The cavalry were not interested in anything I had to say about access to our land"

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RampantParanoia2365 35 points 3 years ago

Sounds like going Solar would actually be a smart option for this person. Not that it isn't smart for anyone.

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holycrap 21 points 3 years ago

Oh but that would cost money to install. Why do that when you can just steal and spew some nonsense about "private" property.

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TheDoozer 16 points 3 years ago

Some states still require you to be on the grid, and pay a connection/distribution fee, even if you are providing more energy than you're using.

When I was looking into installing solar when I lived in New Jersey, they said we weren't allowed to have a home battery system to store the solar power, either, due to the potential danger of utility workers on downed lines from unexpected loads (somebody should introduce New Jersey to the magic of diodes).

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Ilovethebomb 21 points 3 years ago

somebody should introduce New Jersey to the magic of diodes

That's not how that works, there's not really any way to ensure one way flow with an AC system.

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TheDoozer 6 points 3 years ago

Fair enough, good point.

But there are plenty of failsafe options that could secure power from the house if no power is coming to the house.

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Ilovethebomb 6 points 3 years ago

Definitely, you can get changeover switches that will isolate you from the grid so you can run a generator etc.

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Tar_alcaran 3 points 3 years ago

Basically every transformer for solar power or s home battery already does this. You need to shop around for one that doesn't.

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lemmefixdat4u 5 points 3 years ago

It's actually straightforward to ensure "one way" flow of power. That's what "islanding" circuits do. They isolate your home when the public utility lines go down by triggering a device that is essentially an electrically controlled switch. It's a unit that connects between your home and the utility company so you can continue to use your solar power/batteries when the public utility is out. If you don't have islanding, the solar inverter cuts off the panels when utilities go down. Both protect workers from encountering lines energized by homes.

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Uranium3006 5 points 3 years ago

You can just have a system to mechanically disconnect the system from the grid during an outage. This clearly isn't a Problem in other States

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andthenthreemore 5 points 3 years ago

This looks like it's the UK, so I really doubt they'd be able to get enough power from solar to cover all their needs without having to take out a mortgage.

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WashedOver 2 points 3 years ago

I would agree but I have seen in some areas of the US you must be connected to the grid. There is no disconnecting from it as it's illegal.

Some say this exists to block solar but I think these rules predate solar and are more about the health and safety issues as a home without electricity generally requires a lot more work to upkeep with a lack of hot water and lighting, not to mention cooking.

As much as many of us like camping, having a camp fire in your front yard to cook from and boil water with daily might ruin the aesthetics of the neighborhood.

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Sagifurius 1 point 3 years ago

oh no. not the aesthetic.

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Uranium3006 3 points 3 years ago

We shouldn't regulate aesthetics, that HOA crap ruins homeownership

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Tar_alcaran 2 points 3 years ago

Also the air quality

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ivanafterall 22 points 3 years ago

Does anyone know what they're changing the meter to? That's a risky/difficult process, isn't it?

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perviouslyiner 28 points 3 years ago

This sounds very British so it is almost certainly a "smart meter" that E.ON are installing (which transmits usage data, and can be cut off or set to pre-pay remotely)

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WashedOver 6 points 3 years ago

Canadian too, well at least British Columbia. There was a big drive a few years back to modernize the meters and some of what I suspect are the types that became 5G kills you groups fought long and hard to block these new meters being swapped in.

Something about radio waves and then not being accurate. I don't think these people in this group were trying to steal hydro but more on some health grounds kick to block these new devices from being deployed. I think individual home owners can refuse the new meters much like people can refuse spraying on their road side properties.

In the end as a business person I suspect they served a few purposes for real time accuracy of data collection on the status of demand and the health of the grid, and eliminating the need to send out meter readers to manually read a odometer on a old style mechanical meter.

Unlike others I don't think they were in the Bill Gates lane of trying to microchip you with vaccines to control you and identify a person as well as your cellphone does.

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zout 10 points 3 years ago

About the blocking attempts reagarding accuracy; here in the Netherlands the older analog meters could only measure real power. The reasoning is that the new smart meters don't do this, but instead measure in another way, causing consumers to also pay for reactive power. In reality, this isn't true, but the urban legend is strong.

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perviouslyiner 1 point 3 years ago

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Kiernian 4 points 3 years ago

There was a big drive a few years back to modernize the meters and some of what I suspect are the types that became 5G kills you groups fought long and hard to block these new meters being swapped in.

The kicker is that it's HIGHLY unlikely that those meters were 5G.

It's muuuuch cheaper to get a CAT1 LTE radio module and go 4G WITH the added benefit that 4G has better distance/signal/etc than 5G does at a trade-off of a lower speed.

Where I am in the midwestern U.S., those meters are typically in people's BASEMENTS.

5G would be a a combination of massive overkill for a few megabytes of data a MONTH and non-starter for connectivity reasons because getting bars to a tower through several feet of earth and cinder block is notably harder in the 30gHz+ frequency range when compared to the ~6gHz of 4G (or the 850mHz-2.1gHz of 3G).

These things are streaming text files full of usage data numbers. Netflix-capable connections are wholly unnecessary. Your old 2006 motorola razr flip phone could handle the data these meters are putting out without breaking a sweat.

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tryptaminev 10 points 3 years ago

It is not risky or difficult if you know what you are doing. So given the state of this guys outlook on the world, yes it is very much risky and difficult.

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Nastybutler 3 points 3 years ago

Don't worry. He's got a meter guy who does it for him

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DefiantBidet 4 points 3 years ago

Could literally be the meter part if the unit which can be removed and replaced in less than 30s. Push plastic clips, pops off dead meter attach new one. Company now has a more accurate, allegedly, meter on their property you agree to maintain when you buy the house.

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DoomBot5 15 points 3 years ago

Company now has a more accurate, allegedly, meter on their property you agree to maintain when you buy the house.

Huh? Since when does the landlord agree to maintain the meters? Those have always been the respective company's property that they must maintain. All you have to do is make sure they're accessible.

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nothacking 4 points 3 years ago

Even if they kept the police off of their property, the power company would just disconnect the wires coming into their property. Even with the sovcit magic it wouldn't work.

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hglman -24 points 3 years ago

This is amazing and I support them

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