Or use a third party sms app. I use fossify sms from F-droid.
Or use a third party sms app. I use fossify sms from F-droid.
Then you lose RCS?
What is RCS?
RCS stands for Rich Communications Suite. Its a standard developed by google to make texting more feature rich like dedicated messaging apps like WhatsApp or Telegram. Pretty much any stock android app uses it these days. If you want to know more here's a pretty good explanation of it. https://www.androidcentral.com/...
What was the benifit again?
End to end encryption if both parties are using google's implementation, delivered/read indicators, far better data limits for media, works without phone signal over data, message limits increased, free and international, fallback to sms if recipient doesn't support it
There is no open source implementation of RCS.
No open source implementation of our phone radio firmwares either but yet here we are
I bet opting out your own messages doesn't stop someone else that is opted in from unknowingly/unintentionally transmitting all your messages
On a somewhat related note, this is my main gripe with Beeper, or Matrix bridges in general. Someone could be using it, giving encryption keys to a third party, letting them handle your chats with them, and all of this without you ever even knowing.
Okay but I don’t want AI. Any AI.
Maybe I'm just old and stuck in my ways, but I don't see the upside here. Why would I need Google's AI to be able to tell the tone of my messages and respond appropriately. They're my messages. People send me messages to talk to me. In what world do I want to remove myself from that process?
If my wife texts me and says "when are you going to be home from work?" I don't want an AI looking at my chat history and making a guess. I want to tell her what I have going on right now and respond. If a friend asks me if I wanna hang out this weekend, I don't want AI checking my calendar and seeing I'm free and then agreeing to plans. I want to think about it and come to a decision myself.
Can someone smarter than me point to an actual good use case for this?
Some scenarios are useful, but the AI has to read it all to find that. It just need to know as much as possible in order to build a profile.
The only problem is that it is not limited to only you that can read the profile. You have no control of the data is stored.
this is almost like when people traded baubles for valuable things to unknowing natives. corporations make these inane features and expect us to pay for them by giving them all our information. They dont bother to even ask, just assume we are ok with it by having all this crap on by default.
You know those people who want send one text, but they use the enter key as punctuation so it arrives as 37 texts?
You know
Something like
This?
Maybe
Well
For some people
It's not this bad
But I'm sure we all have that
ONE
Person
Who does something like this.
AI can summarize all those text messages and tell you wtf they actually want in one single message and one single notification! (Hypothetically, lol)
Suppressing repeated notifications has been a thing since messaging has been a thing. If your service doesn't offer it, find a better one. Also, this is a hypothetical, and a bad one. Why would you not simply read the texts?
For this specifically, sure.
For everything? I don't agree.
I dont want current gen BS AI which appears to be being used for like 92.4% evil
I do want AGI tho pls. ASAP.
Humans have fucked it all up and we deserve to be replaced by our successor species.
I'd much rather have AGI in control than politicians and billionaires.
No you only hear about the evil shit so your meter is heavily skewed and you're just fucking doomer posting.
Took me 3 seconds to find how invaluable AI is for doing good. https://www.ibm.com/...
Not all AI is bad. In the healthcare sector it could improve decision-making, produce personalised treatment plans, and so forth.
Obviously, the healthcare professionals will have final say, but it's a good tool to have. AI will not replace them. Though it will streamline cumbersome processes.
I am all for AI as long as it's used in a non-dystopian manner.
There are already talks of military use, reading all your texts, eliminating jobs with no plan to support those who lost them, AI driven cars killing people, taking all creative work from humans and leaving the menial tasks…that’s nowhere near a complete list and it’s already dystopian.
The thing is, when private companies are the ones that hold the tech and monetize it, shit is going to get dystopian before you can say “artichoke.” Capitalism is dystopian. Late stage capitalism even more so. And we are fast approaching a new frontier in which these same evil tech companies will wield this unbelievable power. I get it. There are good uses. But when the end goal is profit, our best interest comes second, if not last.
It's a tool like anything else. It'll be used for everything like anything else. It cannot be stopped. All we can hope for are tools to mitigate the damage and applications to outweigh what bad it's capable of. Trying to slow it down is like trying to stop a flood with buckets. Build a boat, it will only keep rising.
produce personalised treatment plans
Isn't that what the doctor is already supposed to be doing? Looking at our history, charts, treatment attempts and customizing? Because if not I could just WebMD and pay a doc to write a scrip.
There are a lot of things doctors record in evaluations, and they feed these AIs this information and instead of these AIs spitting out a "diagnosis" they calculate risk of harm vs risk of further investigation.
In things like pediatrics, this reduces the need for unpleasant and dangerous procedures - a CT scan impacts a 6 year old way more than a 30 year old.
AI is extremely useful for problem domains with a ton of input, medicine being one. Doctors can only do so much and rely on algorithms just like the AI does. The AI has the benefit of being able to do it a fuckload faster, more accurately, and compare it to more relevant things.
Don't confuse it with generative AI. this is a very different system than that.
Resistance is futile.
"Start"
I'm sorry, is the article quoting a fucking LLM as the interviewee? What the fuck is this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
What the actual fuck.
I'm tired of constantly running in to the basic lack of understanding that LLMs are not knowledge systems. They emulate language, and produce plausible sentences. This journalist is using the output of a LLM as a source of knowledge... What a fucking disgrace this should be for Forbes.
Imagine a journalist just quoting a conversation with their 10 year old, where they played a game of "whatever you do, you have to pretend like you really know what you're talking about. Do not be unsure about anything, ok?", and used the output as a source for actual facts.
If you use ChatGPT, or Bard, or any LLM for anything beyond creative output, or with the required comprehension to vet the output, just stop. Don't use tools you don't understand the function or limitations of.
I've already had to spend hours correcting a fundamental misconception someone got from ChatGPT, which was part of a safety mechanism of medical software. I've also had the displeasure of finding self-contradicting documentation someone placed in a README, which was a copy-paste from ChatGPT.
It's such a powerful tool and utility if you know what it can help with. But it requires a basic understanding, that too many people are either too lazy to make the effort for, or just lacking critical thought processes, and "it sounded really plausible", (the full extent of what it's designed to do) fools them completely.
LMAO I opened the link expecting an article, and I got a steady flow of quotations, but nothing to indicate who is being quoted. At the very end, the sentence "For its part, Bard states..." is used, and I can think of no clearer way to display your fundamental misunderstanding of AI. Bard can't "state" shit in any official capacity. Bard is the same caliber of LLM as GPT, and both have a documented tendency to hallucinate.
Bard is the same caliber of LLM as GPT, and both have a documented tendency to hallucinate.
It's all hallucinations, always, with only a few exceptions. The hallucinations just have some overlap with reality, that's all.
I assume using a third party messager app (qksms for example) solves this privacy problem?
Yeah, this is specific to the Google Messages app. For now, anyway.
I think everything on a google phone goes to google.
good thing no one in my circle uses sms anymore. a lot of them still use whatsapp, but i've convinced my immediate family to use signal at least.
We need an antitrust law that defines a monopoly by size/revenue of company statically by percent of US GDP, US wealth, or revenue in a particular industry. Not something g that allows the “well it feels fine” kind of defense these companies can pull.
Public service announcement: this article seems to be written like their only source was asking Bard some questions. If you trust Bard enough to tell you Google's plans, you may as well be asking it when the second coming is happening, because it'll be just as confident when it hallucinates that answer too.
This alone would make me more likely to switch back to iPhone, as much as I hate the walled garden. "Just switch to a private messenger app" doesn't really work when no one else uses them. I've even gotten all of my family to try Signal, but they dropped it in favor of going back to imessage. It's extremely frustrating, far from ideal, but it is what it is.
Google reading my messages at all, even if it's "oPt OuT", is a complete non starter.
Thank you for this! Didn't know it was a thing, I'll do that.
even signal can do sms messaging from what i understand
There are three big reasons why we’re removing SMS support for the Android app now: prioritizing security and privacy, ensuring people aren’t hit with unexpected messaging bills, and creating a clear and intelligible user experience for anyone sending messages on Signal.
To me, all of those reasons are BS and easily gotten around. "Unexpected messaging bills?" Have a popup that warns you that this user doesn't have an account and is about to send a SMS, potentially incurring a cost, as an example.
They just didn't want to maintain the code and chased some users away. https://www.signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/
They dropped it because people assumed it was secure just because they used signal, and is never secure and you can assume pretty much anyone could be reading your texts wanyway.
Hol' up matrix can sms?
Why can't you use a mix if SMS and Simplex chat or signal/molly? I guess I don't understand the love of imessage
Also you don't need google to use android
Having a unified app that supports your message protocol with SMS fallback is legitimately great. I'm still bitter signal canned that feature.
But it isn't that big of a deal to just use two apps. It's what I've had to do for a while now. Anyone I actually know goes into signal, and I use SMS for my boss, my dad, and various companies.
Yeah let's use End to end encrypted, open source messaging apps like Signal please.
This new Google thing probably applies to their own proprietary messaging apps like Android messages, Hangouts and Gmail. Tbh, I'm more surprised they weren't already doing this. Fuck SMS, fuck RCS. E2EE private FOSS messaging standards for me please.
Unbelievable. If you're not running a custom ROM, get Canta set up and strip out as much Google malware as you can because this is only gonna get worse.
Well, that's something I'll want to turn off, though all they'll get from me is random appointment reminders and confirmation codes.
What the actual fuck
Report this post. It does not belong here. We should not be part of this spread of the misinformation. Bard is NOT an information source.
The post title should read "Forbes uses AI to write B.S articles to scare people and get clicks".
If you don't share your number and don't give any indication you are a person they will go away.
Its been a long time since I received spam.
You don't have to share your number to get spam messages - I get weekly spam texts for "Susan" (not my name), which I never interact with but have been coming from random numbers for years.
Once your # is on a list, whether you put it there or not, it never leaves.
I'm the only one who has ever had this phone no., but if I were to swap now, 99% chance I'd get a reused number, which would probably come already loaded on a million different spam lists. There's no winning.
Here the push should be for on-device AI analysis, with data never leaving your phone...
But then they couldn't spy on you or charge extra for this "cloud service" whenever they decide to.
Google has none of mine
thanks for using Leebra!
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"Smart Features" in the Messages app have always been explicitly processed only on-device. This is a big change if it is different than that.
I'm betting they'll make this opt-out, which is fucking shady as hell. And worse, I bet opting out your own messages doesn't stop someone else that is opted in from unknowingly/unintentionally transmitting all your messages that they received. Ugh.
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