That post seems to be missing.

CombatWombatEsq 129 points 3 years ago

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FaceDeer 50 points 3 years ago

You're clearly not getting into the spirit of the current mass hysteria and/or witch-hunt. I'm going to have to ask you to either pick up a torch and/or a pitchfork (note that picking up only one of the two will immediately indicate insufficient hysteria, though you are of course free to do so) and join that queue over there in a disorderly fashion.

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Sturgist 9 points 3 years ago

Alright folks, I want to see a nice orderly queue. Pitchforks are at station one, sign one out with either Mandy or Greg(wave to the folks, guys). Station two is where you can pick up a torch. Jeff and Kenny will help you out over at station two. After getting your torch and pitchfork, please proceed to the staging area, Steph will get you all in position, and get your torches lit.
Alright guys! Enjoy your rabid mob!

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DoomBot5 3 points 3 years ago

I miss pitchfork guy and his assistant...

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ttmrichter 3 points 3 years ago

Igor! If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times! Scalpels go on the left, with the pitchforks!

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itadakimasu 24 points 3 years ago

The audacity

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phorq 11 points 3 years ago

*it's spelled "Audible", don't you remember the secret sponsorship meeting we all had with Amazon?

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curiosityLynx 3 points 3 years ago

Who said anything about stop using Lemmy? The beauty of Lemmy is that you can just switch instances if you don't like what the admins at your current instance are doing.

Not that I'm advocating you do that right now based on this post, though you might consider it to spread the load away from the lemmy.world server.

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Aux 1 point 3 years ago

What will switching achieve exactly? Mmm? If the communities you're interested in are only on lemmy.world, you'll still be on lemmy.world, even if through other instance proxy.

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decadentrebel 1 point 3 years ago

I got mad at Lex Luger for the same thing in 1993. Until I found out it was Tatanka who sold out.

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muddybulldog 32 points 3 years ago

To put it simply, so what?

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itadakimasu -3 points 3 years ago

To put it bluntly, IDGAF. Crybabies lol

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booty_flexx -18 points 3 years ago

Yeah so what? Its not like either of you signed up here.

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muddybulldog 11 points 3 years ago

Actually, it was my first home before I started my own instance and I still maintain a presence here.

And, seeing as you said you would answer any questions in this thread and then subsequently blew of my legitimate question with a snarky remark, well, I think that's a clear sign of where this thread is going.

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booty_flexx 2 points 3 years ago

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nekat_emanresu -10 points 3 years ago

If you have a signed NDA contract then technically you are controlled by that contract. You could say if any admin signs it, then that admin is controlled by meta. If the head admin signed it, then lemmy.world would be controlled by meta in a legal sense. Not fully controlled, just contractually controlled in part(or secretly full and they wouldn't be allowed to say).

Just so you know, these things play out in micro steps where people are never outraged enough to take meaningful action. You can drag out a takeover to take decades if you want.

The only point that matters is meta is evil, anyone that has any voluntary meaningful interaction with them is complicit, we should shun the complicit or we become complicit.(within reason and civilly of course)

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PatFussy 7 points 3 years ago

Thats not how this works .jpg

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MeowdyPardner 6 points 3 years ago

The only realistic thing that the NDA could have contained was stipulations around leaking details about Threads. Who cares. Some admins probably wanted an inside look so they agreed to not leak any details. That does nothing to put their instances under the control of Meta. Yeah sure the admins are "controlled by the contract"... to not share any secrets about Threads. Again who cares.

People dreaming up scenarios about the NDAs including clauses that let Meta control instances or their admins are delusional. As someone working in tech I sign NDAs all the time when I visit my friend's companies. It doesn't mean they have any control over me besides stopping me from leaking stuff that I see inside the company.

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muddybulldog 5 points 3 years ago

And we haven't even gotten to the part where we've actually established that someone did or did not have a conversation never mind whether anyone signed an NDA so my question remains, unaltered and unanswered.

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nekat_emanresu 3 points 3 years ago

Why hasn't the there been an announcement when we repeatedly ask for confirmation? If he signed the NDA then they legally cant talk, and that seems to be happening now.

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Hominine 1 point 3 years ago

You have to use your mind. Come up with some great idea like that...

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ritswd 3 points 3 years ago

Holy shit the amount of paranoia in this thread is terrifying. I good y’all are taking care of yourselves out there.

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ulu_mulu 2 points 3 years ago

You don't know what an NDA is lol, NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement, it's very specifically tied to the things they're revealing to you, Threads NDA means you can't talk about what they're telling you about Threads in that specific meeting, it has NOTHING to do with Lemmy.

Having admins knowing what they're planning isn't bad IMO, they more you know, the better you can counteract them.

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eyy 32 points 3 years ago

How do you know this?

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twistypencil 14 points 3 years ago

Isn't it because other instances were asked to do the same and revealed that fact?

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booty_flexx -35 points 3 years ago

I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this.

I also will not expose my sources.

I thought it would take a long time for me to be sure enough to make this post. But I'm making it less than three weeks after joining lemmy.

If you want, you can take a wait and see approach.

I never wanted to admin an instance, I don't think I have time for it, but I have enough to convince me that I should.

I don't expect blind trust from you guys, because youve proven to be intelligent and diligent in my time here. But for the love of Foss and open, distributed platforms and what WE believe that means, please use your judgment when considering your home instance for lemmy.

I am almost certain lemmy.world admins will ignore this claim.

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aleph 40 points 3 years ago

I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this

But you are, so ... 🤷‍♂️

Are you basing your claim solely on the email that kev@fosstodon.org shared, which mentioned no other mastodon server admins, or is there other evidence that you are aware of?

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nekat_emanresu -9 points 3 years ago

You don't seem to be aware of the meaning of that link. If people got approached to sign a contract to not be legally allowed to talk about the contract or meeting, then its very strong evidence that lemmy.world admins have signed the agreement.

OPs claims are logical. I don't care about the anecdote of someone dobbing someone in, just the hard logic that NDA signers can't talk about it legally.

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aleph 16 points 3 years ago

All that email shows evidence of is that a representative of Meta approached the server admin of fosstodon.org and proposed a sit-down. That's literally all it is.

There is no mention of 1) who else was invited, or 2) who else attended, 3) that an NDA would need to be signed, and (perhaps most importantly) 4) that the proposed discussion even happened in the first place.

Talk about jumping to conclusions.

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muddybulldog 9 points 3 years ago

There's pretty strong speculation, and it's not unreasonable, but there's zero evidence of anything.

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muddybulldog 5 points 3 years ago

Apparently the admins at Universodon had no problem putting this drama to rest weeks ago:

The nda wasn’t because of some absurd agreement but just the fact they’re launching a new project and we’re getting access to engineers and product team to discuss what the relationship could be. And they went well. https://universeodon.com/...

There was no deal signing or any bullshit like that - that’s all fake news.

The nda is because none of this stuff is released and it’s up to meta to share details or admins to join the ongoing calls to learn in advance of launch what is going on.

I don’t know why this blew up like it did.

It’s admins doing due diligence ahead of a major product launch and getting access to engineers on the teams making it happen. https://universeodon.com/...

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ram 23 points 3 years ago

I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this.

Ok, I don't trust you.

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quortez 20 points 3 years ago

I feel that it is important for you substantiate your claims or credibility to some extent before making potentially inflammatory moves - if you want the community to question the lemmy.world team, that is.

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awsamation 15 points 3 years ago

I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this.

This is the primary thing you are asking people to do. Literally everything else you said hinges on people blindly trusting you.

I understand wanting to protect your sources. But you're taking it to the other extreme by providing literally nothing except unprovable claims. Give us something, anything, even an easily faked email or pm. Just anything that requires even the slightest bit of effort beyond just typing up straight lies.

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JackbyDev 14 points 3 years ago

You want them to be transparent about whether they attended a meeting, but you refuse to be transparent as to why you know they even went to the meeting at all?

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ritswd 8 points 3 years ago

That’s a pretty long-winded way to try to make hot air grow solid.

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Ghostalmedia 7 points 3 years ago

“Use your judgment”

Based on allegations from a random internet person, with nothing to substantiate their claims, about a meeting that may or may not have taken place, where it’s being assumed that Lemmy.world’s admin has ill intent.

Q anon people have more reliable information than this.

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HopperMCS 4 points 3 years ago

If you're still using this account, I run my own. If you set up a domain and $5 Linode, just spin one up and follow the Ansible instructions. Setting up Lemmy was SHOCKINGLY easy for all the shit Lemmy is actually responsible for handling.

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Brunbrun6766 3 points 3 years ago

I will not expose my sources BUT OTHERS SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT

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linearchaos 27 points 3 years ago

Ruud has been transparent AF about everything that I care about. I for one hope they did attend the meeting NDA or not so they can make informed decisions.

Idgaf about threads up *untill the point where it affects me or the server I'm on. As far as I'm concerned, ruud is a fine judge of that.

Basically the 800 lb gorilla has come into our neighborhood and decided to build a giant complex next door. He's requested a meeting with our landlord whether he attends or not it's none of our business. If shit gets hairy we move.

It's the beauty of not farming karma, I'm not particularly stuck to this account on this instance.

*edit voice dictation correction

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Rhoeri 23 points 3 years ago

Care to provide evidence of this?

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FARTYSHARTBLAST 22 points 3 years ago

Maybe they signed an NDA and don't want to get sued? Or maybe it's just made up? How are we to know?

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muddybulldog 16 points 3 years ago

We know because it was explained weeks ago:

The nda wasn’t because of some absurd agreement but just the fact they’re launching a new project and we’re getting access to engineers and product team to discuss what the relationship could be. And they went well. https://universeodon.com/...

There was no deal signing or any bullshit like that - that’s all fake news.

The nda is because none of this stuff is released and it’s up to meta to share details or admins to join the ongoing calls to learn in advance of launch what is going on.

I don’t know why this blew up like it did.

It’s admins doing due diligence ahead of a major product launch and getting access to engineers on the teams making it happen. https://universeodon.com/...

https://universeodon.com/...

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booty_flexx -18 points 3 years ago

Maybe that's why they won't comment on the issue.

I don't know what they signed.

I know at least one attended, personally I expect multiple, but I know at least one.

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FARTYSHARTBLAST 20 points 3 years ago

But you won't say why or how?

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SkaveRat 2 points 3 years ago

My uncle who works at Nintendo also attended that meeting

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Poggervania 14 points 3 years ago

If we take you at your word, one lemmy.world admin didn’t disclose one meeting they had with Meta - and from the sounds of it, you don’t even know the nature of the meeting itself. It could very well be a long meeting where they expressed interest in federating with Threads, or it could be a very short meeting where they said “lmfao go fuck yourselves”.

That and you practically going on like “lemmy bros I don’t want you to blindly follow me but Imma make my own Fediverse instance but it’s ok you don’t need to join but just know Imma make an instance with blackjack and hookers it’s gonna be better than this just blindly trust me bro” in some of the posts here just further weakens your accusation.

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Hotzilla 11 points 3 years ago

Lemmy.world is already quite large, for decentralization it would be better if people would use other instances and balance the sizes.

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Kolanaki 5 points 3 years ago

Don't believe me? Ask them about it.

...they won't tell you about it.

Uh...

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MrMamiya 4 points 3 years ago

Stop posting cringe, it’s insane to care this much about a non-problem. You don’t have to subscribe to world if quality changes, or even be on the fediverse, or online!

You’re enjoying this place so much you’ll start a bunch of drama Alex jones style to save it? Oof.

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ttmrichter 4 points 3 years ago

I love conspiracy theorists.

(Default assumption is "conspiracy theorist" when people show up making claims without bringing receipts.)

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nxlemmy 4 points 3 years ago

They signed an NDA so they probably can’t talk about it. Which sucks. (This is known because the larger mastodon servers were approached and the lemmy.world admin runs mastodon.world which is one of the biggest mastodon servers)

There’s been reports of people being in the ML/Ai industry asked to sign NDA’s by facebook and then essentially told to sit around and do nothing to essentially hold their competition captive.

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aleph 4 points 3 years ago

There is no evidence that the proposed meeting even took place or which admins were invited, let alone that attendees would be required to sign an NDA.

Stop spreading FUD based on nothing.

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nxlemmy 3 points 3 years ago

Its not based on nothing. Its based on reports from multiple mastodon admins and assumed since the lemmy.world/mastodon.world admin is a huge server admin and is yet to deny signing any NDA like others have.

Its clearly not evidence but I’ll take his silence as a warrant canary not being updated until he states he hasn’t signed an NDA.

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aleph 0 points 3 years ago

The evidence is fairly nondescript, though. At the very most, assuming that the rumors are true and an NDA was signed, the most likely explanation for that is that Meta didn't want details of their new product leaking out before launch.

All this conjecture and insinuation that Mastodon.World admins have done something underhand/shady is just hysterical nonsense.

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randon31415 3 points 3 years ago

It wasn't any of the admins. Someone just got a hold of a real world JWT token of one of the admins and XSSed all over the Meta's sidebar at the meeting.

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Geek_King 3 points 3 years ago

OP's claims being verifiable or not, can we all agree that Meta's interests aren't benevolent toward competing competitors and their technology? The fact that is even a hint of a reason that admins of lemmy.world had a clandestine meeting with Meta would be concerning. OP's logic is sound, and if the lemmy.world admins didn't meet with Meta, they could state as much and dispel the possibility. Or they could entirely lie about it if no NDA was signed, but they haven't responded to that question which is concerning.

If the admins of lemmy.world struck a deal with meta, maybe agreed to a payment, who knows what a deal like that would look like, would you all still feel comfortable using it as your home instance?

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potat 3 points 3 years ago

You are the only person I've seen talk about this supposed meeting - I'm all for transparency but they don't really need to make a response especially when that one guy is saying "trust me bro".

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Whirlybird 2 points 3 years ago

I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone should care about this at all?

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sapient_cogbag 2 points 3 years ago

I think folks would like some actual evidence before bandwagoning.

Though good on you for starting your own instance ^.^

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asunaspersonalasst 2 points 3 years ago

c/QuitYourBullshit lol

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Kashbus 2 points 3 years ago

Wow, this some decent drama. What is your biggest concern for communication between Lenny.world admins and Meta?

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Emperor 2 points 3 years ago

What is your biggest concern for communication between Lenny.world admins and Meta?

I suppose the worst case scenario is Meta buying lemmy.world to run as their Reddit equivalent. It is the big dog of Lemmy (larger than the rest of the instances combined) so would be the obvious target.

I'm not aware of anything that would stop an ordinary instance admin from selling out to a corporate entity other than the users leaving but lemmy.world is run by mastodon.world a well-established non-profit and I assume they are set up in such a way to make it impossible to sell any of the .world instances. However, I am not on one of their instances so never needed to check.

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Selmafudd 1 point 3 years ago

Can we not pm each other here? Why not just ask him directly without the public spectacle?

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booty_flexx 1 point 3 years ago

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Ecology8622 5 points 3 years ago

I think it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Good luck to you and as for the admins, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They are the biggest instance so they have to weigh in all options. This is the beauty of the fediverse, you can do what you want.

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yool_ooloo 1 point 3 years ago

"you can do what you want"

So far, that's not been my experience. I tried deleting my lemmy.world instance/account but it didn't work. I posted to lemmy.world Support and have not received any response https://lemmy.world/post/1230305. It's only been 3 days, so I'll give it some more time. Though I thought I would at least get a reply acknowledging receipt. The only response to my post was another person experiencing the same problem.

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Dio 0 points 3 years ago

Nah bruv, you've my attention.

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decadentrebel 1 point 3 years ago

Rudd showing a clip of his meeting with Zuck:

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Gerryflap 3 points 3 years ago

Sorry for being pedantic, but it's "Ruud" not "Rudd". I've noticed that the same mistake often gets made with other Dutch spellings, like the Haas F1 team being written as "Hass" online. Do repeated vowels feel weird or something to people who don't speak Dutch, or is it just a coincidence?

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decadentrebel 3 points 3 years ago

That's the joke. Ruud = Rudd = Paul Rudd clip.

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senslayer 0 points 3 years ago

Kid named FUD tactics...

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booty_flexx -5 points 3 years ago

Final post: Ah fuck it, I made it all up. Lemmy.world is a good instance you folks have nothing to worry about here. I doubt they took that meeting, I'm out.

Go ahead, ask the admins, surely they'll tell you they did not take the meeting.

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aleph 3 points 3 years ago

Wow, that's it?

this was about as informative as u/spez's Reddit AMA about third party apps.

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booty_flexx -12 points 3 years ago

I'll respond to comments on this thread, and no matter what, I'm done using lemmy.world after this.

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BackStabbath 15 points 3 years ago

So dramatic lol

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ttmrichter 1 point 3 years ago

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you magical loon!

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tryagain -2 points 3 years ago

Fwiw, after lemmy.ml announced last week that they would preemptively block/defed anything owned by Meta, and lemmy.world didn't, I got the heebie-jeebies and relocated my main account to .ml. I've learned to listen to little red flags like that and now this.

Edit: just to add that it might be nothing. I hope it's nothing and that I'm overreacting. But...

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