Louisiana becomes 1st state to require the Ten Commandments be posted in classrooms
2 years ago by bquintb to c/politics
Do they want Baphomet in their schools? Because this is how you get Baphomet in your schools.
Ah, yes. Very foundational to our legal system. The First Commandment (using the version usually touted by evangelicals):
You shall have no other gods.
That's why we didn't pass the Bill of Rights with the US Constitution. Because the First Amendment there states people shall have freedom of religion, and that would contradict the First Commandment.
Very foundational to our legal system.
Given our political attitude towards Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, and Pagans, I honestly don't detect a lie.
In America you can have any religion you want, so long as its the correct one.
The next four Commandments to round out the top five are foundational to our legal system, although none of these prohibitions is actually enshrined in any of our laws:
- You shall not make idols.
- You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
- Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
- Honour your father and your mother.
Yeah, and they’re trying to codify those (except they’d love it if you’d idolize them for “saving” you)
it is the Ten Commandments' "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”
Alright, so let's put them up right next to the Hammurabi Code, which is also majorly significant to history and our legal system. Maybe highlight the part about how Hammurabi was chosen by the Babylonian gods as the ultimate arbiter of justice.
Down with Marduk! Ahura Mazda is the one true god!
I don't know, Marduk is a far better hook up for getting my pills https://youtu.be/uD-hjTuGbAs
Then certainly he will want to post the Mayflower Compact which says "to each according to their needs from each according to their means".
We historically feared satanism too. Should probably post their commandments “so that the kids know what to watch for”. Right next to the biblical ones.
- Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
- Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
- When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
- If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
- Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
- Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
- Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
- Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
- Do not harm little children.
- Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
- When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
Satanism is weird. Let’s use The Satanic Temple tenets instead:
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
And I think you forgot the following:
VIII
Remember to vote every Christofascist out of your congressional system on Election Day. They are in violation of your Freedom of Religion right.
I love how half of these are just "don't be fucking annoying"
Much more cringe-worthy than the Bible ones, to be honest.
Oh yea things like, 'not harming children' , and 'do not rape', are cringe. Good thing, the based Christian bible allows you do those things.
I'm more talking about "your lair", "the mating signal", and "destroy him". Deeply, deeply cringey.
These tools probably actually believe this country was founded on "the" ten commandments, even if the secular founding and the freedom FROM religion flies right in the fact. The first of "the" ten commandments and the First Amendment come into conflict right away. Their silly fanfic has their god Jehovah/Allah/Yahweh declaring there is to be no other god but him. Meanwhile, my First Amendment means I don't have to give a flying fuck what they say their god says.
I'll give him credit if he can produce the original, historical "document" he's talking about
Going by memory of Captain Obvious' guide book:
So... He's bearing false witness about some stolen traditions (Jewish) & made in to a graven image.
If I had to guess, I would bet he worships cash & oppression more than Jaweh. I could be wrong. It could be pedophilia, like most vocally puritanical types.
What did I miss? 3/10 isn't great. The fourth is just guess & conjecture.
if it's not religious, why would you legally enshrine it? What other fucking reason do you have? The schools can just buy their own fucking copy of it ffs.
Because they don’t actually believe in it
Just like the bible, they love to cherry pick whatever fits into their narrative.
Cause they are Putin's Pooh Stains. He (& by his shitting out/spoon feeding marching orders, they) want to dismantle democracy.
His offense budget (~40k/year per social media troll (how many does he employ?)) does wonders against our defense budget (IDK how many hundreds of billions, but random memory says mid 7s).
What are you talking about?
Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad Better
Says so right there in black and white.
It’s technically not against the Constitution. The First Amendment prevents the government from creating or establishing a religion, and thereby prevents the power of the government from expanding beyond civil matters.
SCOTUS further restricted religious public education by ruling against religion in public curriculum in Engel v. Vitale in 1962.
Having religious text on display without induction into the curriculum is legal. Only now that they’ve mandated one religion, other religions have a platform for equal representation. Maybe it’s time for The Satanic Temple to open a Louisiana congregation?
SCOTUS has ruled against it in curriculum, but separation of church and state is from one of Johnson’s speeches, and not technically in the Constitution. I wish it were. My point wasn’t implying defense of the display. I don’t want it in schools either. I’m simply saying if they want to play by the rules of Originalism, then all churches deserve equal representation according to the Constitution.
Did somebody call me?
I was thinking: gimme Zarathustra, like they useta
...but Baphomet willl do.
Yeah but we don’t have a SCOTUS anymore, we have a group of fascist fucks doing what the dollar tells them
It will be overturned after months of totally unnecessary court wrangling.
LA lawmakers will then say "we tried to enact your will, voters, but those godless fat cats in DC wouldn't let us!"
Meanwhile said lawmakers will make no actual attempt to fix the status quo, and the wrangling and debate will ensure entrenched powers stay in power.
It clearly does, and allowing this to be enforced clearly breaks precedent, but with how the Supreme Court is now who knows what will happen.
Actually, it doesnt. The SCOTUS will say that the 1A only limits federal powers, not state.
man its a good thing the feds can't mandate what the states can do...
Not sure if you're being facetious, but that was the entire point of Dobbes
not once has the fed ever said to a state that the state couldn't do anything ever, it's never happened.
Not once. Don't ask texas about secession.
i'm pretty sure this is illegal?
Can we get someone on this?
It’s certainly illegal. But Louisiana is in the fifth circuit court of appeals, which is hilariously conservative. That’s the same court that covers Texas, and a few other southern states. Packing the fifth circuit with conservatives was a large part of the Southern Strategy. Now the appeals court is packed with hardline conservative judges. Whenever you hear about appeals courts being blatantly biased for conservatives, it’s almost always the fifth circuit.
So yeah, it’s illegal. But even if Louisiana courts strike it down, the fifth circuit appeals judge will likely reinstate it as soon as it crosses their desk.
There's also a theory that the 5th circuit exists to make terrible rulings so that the Supreme Court can overturn it but do it in such a way that it still advances some horrible agenda.
Something along the lines of:
5th Circuit: You can totally post the ten commandments in schools, because hoorah Jesus!
Supreme Court: You can't actually post the the ten commandments in all schools, just the private ones, oh and by the way it's totally cool and legal to drain all the funding out of public schools and give it to private schools.
ah, a classic.
Time to post 10 commandments in Arabic and watch MAGA meltdown
Not even that complicated; just invite a religious scholar to explain what Jesus said, starting with caring for hungry people and immigrants and in general literally just what he taught and what he cared about
They'll shut that shit down like a female student with unpermitted clothing
Wouldn't even be the first time this month that a bunch of religious zealots and government thugs stormed a school full of peace-loving hippies and dragged them off by their hair.
Just post the laws from Leviticus right next to them to make it clear nobody follows this.
Don't wear cloth of mixed fabric was my favorite of god's laws.
It's curious how many xtians eat shrimp. And cheeseburgers, ffs. Against their god's law.
You have to be careful, though. In the wrong hands, philosophy can be a dangerous thing.
Keep promoting ideas like "Thou Shalt Not Kill", "Keep the Sabbath Holy", and "Don't Worship False Idols", and people might start thinking all our wars, our insane work schedules, and our fetishistic consumer culture aren't good.
Given the habits of your average Louisiana legislator, you might want to scrap the Seventh Commandment entirely.
Thou shall not kill. Louisana has the death penalty. Might be a bit of a conundrum.
WHY the fucking Ten Commandments??? All the sensible shit is already the law in every society, and the rest is just god being a whiney little insecure bitch
Its really helpfull for brainwashing children. Lesson learned from the Taliban
For a group that constantly complains about people indoctrinating children, they sure do love indoctrinating children.
They needed a church thing their idiot constituents would recognize. They don't actually follow their religion to know more obscure things. It's not actually about the 10 commandments, it's about being performative.
Time to go donate to TST and the FFRF, peeps.
I would watch this very well sourced video before donating to the TST and its leadership.
They are performative; they are not your protection.
that's explicitly not true but ok.
I dunno, I know a couple lawyers who insist that TST is a complete sham making frivolous lawsuits. I'm kinda bummed about it because I used to be a donor.
what else are you supposed to do, not make frivolous lawsuits to make a point? You just sit there and go "damn, you got me this time bro"
Last I knew, nobody was committing genocide in the name of Baphomet or Satan Lucifer...or pretty much any god except the Dommy Abrahamic Sky Daddy.
Christofascists
Easy, they don't GAF about any of that. They care about as much as they do about the "rule of law" and for "family values".
I think those are the Church of Satan principles.
Some may prefer the Satanic Temple's tenets: https://thesatanictemple.com/...
Either way, I agree, LA should be required to put up the beliefs of all religions if it will require even one.
Please no. CoS is basically narcissism as a religious cult. TST are the ones doing the real work. And having actual common sense rules up there rather than edgy bullshit is going to do far more good.
Lol magic
Oh no! Better hope you have never deployed it successfully, or you'll now lose all you have gained through it.
That will trigger the xtianists the most.
Time for the Satanic Temple to post the 7 Tenets in classrooms!
George Carlin's bit about the 10 commandments seems relevant here
Good old George Carlin
The article uses the term "1st state to" like they're about to start some kind of domino effect of similar requirements across other states.
I fear the implication may be correct.
WTAF? Do these dumbasses know this is a secular country?
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Yep. Me and my wife moved from Mississippi to Seattle 2.5 years ago. Best decision ever.
Good luck. Pretty sure all the neighboring states are also shitholes.
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It always amuses me when these pseudo-Christians have to reach back to the Old Testament to justify their fascist foaming - it's almost as if the parts that are actually based on Christ contains nothing of value to them.
Well, they don't call them Abrahamic religions for nothing...
If I were a teacher in that state, I would definitely hide it somewhere where students never look if they don't have rules on where it has to be placed. That, or if a student vandalized it, I would pretend not to see it and when asked why it's vandalized, just play dumb.
We, the worshipers of Enlil, shall not be denied our representation!
The Students of the Land known as Louis-anna shall learn of the Mooring Rope Between Heaven and Earth!
Re-reading the first four makes it seem like God is a very insecure individual.
The Big Ten were written at a time when paganism/animism was the dominant religious view and the idea of monotheism was weird and foreign. You really had to hammer those home early on, because one minute you're up on a mountain having the acid trip spiritual moment to define a millennium and the next you're down in the valley watching all your friends jerk off to a big bronze bull just like you told them not to!
When your parish flock is that prone to stray, I'm almost surprised they don't have a few more.
I hope it will be posted on classrooms with appropriate historical context and commentary. Also aren't there different versions of the ten commandments anyway depending on your exact religion?
Already breaking #2 in that thumbnail.
Pretty sure the separation of church and state has something to say about this.
They'll be quick to tell you that the Constitution doesn't actually explicitly state they should be separated. And what it really means is no one can stop them from proselytizing because that would prohibit the free exercise of religion. Of course they'll also tell you there is no religion other than the 1853 convention of Eastern sect Southern Baptists. Everything else is a heretical lie that needs to be burned.
Wow you guys are skipping middle age entirely and jumping straight to Hammurabi. Great job!
But which ten out of all 16 commandments?
Quick! I NEED someone to shoot up a bunch of 6 year olds so I can PRETEND to Care about the Constitution again!
What a shithole
And here's news: if you are appalled by this and you are NOT buying a gun and learning how to use it then you are an absolute fucking idiot. If you come on here and start pissing and moaning about "ammosexuals" and "2A fantasies" and whatnot then you are a fucking idiot. NONE of those assholes care about your rights or your feefees or about "the law" or voting; they hate you and want to kill you and they are desperately waiting for someone to give them the word. If you are NOT ARMING UP FOR PROTECTION then you will get the boxcar you deserve.
do you run a local militia? How many armored vehicles do you have there?
also, BOXCAR? ARE YOU COMPARING THIS TO THE FUCKING NAZIS? BRO THIS IS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!
You really, really, REALLY do not understand any of this. It has nothing at all to do with militias. It will be your neighbors committing violence against your other neighbors with the state's blessing. And yes I am absolutely comparing them to the Nazis as any reasonable, rational, sensible person should do if they dont want to wind up in the aformentioned boxcar.
It will be your neighbors committing violence against your other neighbors with the state’s blessing.
that's a really weird way to say "the government is going to take your rights"
Any reasonable person would compare the US with the fucking naizs? What am i reading bro? Are we referring to republicans as nazis here? Because i'm more inclined to believe you, but i still wouldn't go that far.
What is a little pew pew gun going to do against organized terror with the government's blessing?
And that kind of thinking is exactly why you will be boxcar'd
IT
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Always been a gun owner, they would have done nothing for me in any of my arrests except get me killed or get police officers killed and place me in prison for likely life..
You won't be able to shoot police officers when they come to arrest you and walk free. An actual militia will not happen again in the u.s.
Again, you're focusing on "the authorities". You're going to need them against civilians. But this just reinforces my point: you dont know who you're dealing with.
Lol I agree with you, but there's other posts in here that will get you better traction than this one. I recently saw one about a lawmaker proposing a national registry of pregnant people. That one would have an audience more amendable to the point that they really do want to dominate and exterminate their enemies.
Though effective opposition requires organization, armed or not. The organizations that would be used for armed resistance when necessary are only marginally different from the organizations fighting for positive change within the system right now.
The thing is that its all incremental. Liberals here should understand how incrementalism works because they propose it all the fucking time. Commandments in schools is the basis for pregnancy registrations and then killing or imprisoning gays and then government-sanctioned white supremacy etc etc. There are not enough reasonable people to stop this. There is no situation in which the creep to fascism ended without lots of violence. I'll be fine; I'm white and in a very tolerant area....but I come from the places where the fascists are breeding and mark my words: liberals absolutely DO NOT UNDERSTAND who they're dealing with. Most of the murders of "undesirables" won't even make the local news, and certainly won't be investigated or prosecuted.
Oh trust me, I understand how fascism and these sorts of things works. The vast majority of people will be surprised if the US experiences some kind of genocide or civil war. But that's just it, the average person has a hard time seeing it coming, so you can't raise the alarm on things that seem innocuous. They'll think you're crazy. You have to point at the really fucked up stuff happening right now so they can imagine what would happen if those people got their way.
In any case, we still have time to change course, and this post would be a good one for getting people politically organized and fighting that way, since they have a hard time understanding how this sort of thing leads to violence.
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“The purpose is not solely religious,” Sen. J. Adam Bass, R-Bossier City, told the Senate. Rather, it is the Ten Commandments' "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”
There is NO WAY to say this with a straight face. We all know what you're fucking doing, just admit it.
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