Bought a new pack of a hair product which now uses 6% less natural ingredients and is no longer vegan
2 years ago by Blizzard to c/mildlyinteresting
You would be right. I have the same packs. I don't know if I bought old stock, but I bought the pack with the blue lid recently, the black lid pack is older.
The black lid pack contains bee wax and more water than the blue lid pack (64% vs 57% of the natural ingredients).
Probably this and a synthetic emulsifier/surfactant or the like.
It depends. Many vegans see any product that "exploits" animals as nonvegan. That includes things like down feathers, wool and honey.
Not sure how Wool exploits animals, shearing sheep is good for their health as I understand it (keeping them from growing things, or getting too heavy/waterlogged to move and just... laying there and dying, amomgst other things.)
And beeswax is an animal product.
"Matt" paste? Isn't it "matte" or am I taking crazy pills again?
Edit: What the fuck... It's spelled differently in the UK, the US, and Canada (where I'm from). It's matte in Canada, mat in US, and matt in the UK.
From the Government of Canada website: https://www.noslangues-ourlanguages.gc.ca/...
Pretty sure it's matte in the US, too
Seconded. Literally have never seen it spelled mat.
"Mat" is a small rug usually for wiping shoes on. "Matt" is a boy's name, short for Matthew. "Matte" means the opposite of glossy.
Thirding the notion that it's definitely not "mat" in the US. A mat is something you put on the ground, Matt is my cousin's ex-fiance, and matte is a surface finish with little to no shine.
Really don't know what people say English is hard to learn, we use the same word for so many things that there's fewer words to learn /s
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It’s matte in the US. I think the manufacturer is just being silly
From the UK. I've never seen matte spelled as matt. CA, UK and AU are generally pretty close with spelling, whereas the US is usually off doing its own thing. It's a similar thing to blonde and blond.
Blonde = female; blond = male
I shit you not, that is the etymological distinction between the two.
How strictly that distinction is observed is an open question.
What if they're non-binary?
Blondə
If they're non-binary, you're going to be so anxious about using the right pronouns that you won't even notice their hair color.
Edit: it's a joke answer,, people, in response to a joke question. It's not made at the expense of any marginalized individual or group. The only people who would be anxious about the situation are allies; the 'phobes don't give a shit. Untwist yer knickers.
Now I'm not saying anything, but I dated a Matt, and he did produce a lot of paste... I'd have to run the numbers to see if it's viable for mass-production though.
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Yep all 3 are valid, matte is the new variant. https://www.etymonline.com/...
And I’ve seen all 3 in use in the USA. It’s not matte = Canada. I’ve seen matte more than mat which is historically the spelling. The oed doesn’t list matt as the proper spelling but who knows with the brits.
Chamber's dictionary has it as "Mat, or Matt, or matte" stating that it comes from the French "mat" or the German "matt", so fuck knows where matte comes from!
The American spelling "matte" probably comes from the spelling "mate" derived from French "mate", and doubling the "t" to differentiate it from "mate". The British spelling "matt" was probably primarily influenced by the German word "Matt" considering the UK tended to have more German influence.
Alternatively, either (or both) may be an etymological spelling from Latin "mattus" (which means "drunk" but likely became a word for "pale" in French).
While I am a linguist, I only deduced this from a bit of Googling and a lot of speculating, so don't take my word for it...
I'm like 90% sure it's matte in the UK.
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You're Matt
Who is Matt and why did they turn him into paste for the attention of surfers?
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It's no longer labeled vegan. A lot of producers actively avoid the label, despite the fact that the Vegan Society would provide their stamp of approval. I've heard somewhere putting it on your product lowers sales. All this to say, are you certain it's actually not vegan anymore?
Someone said the non vegan version has bee wax in it.
Definitely a thing. Vegan can be hidden somewhere on some products, or they might use different language.
I ran an experiment a few years ago at a party I hosted. I had two trays of Oreos. One labeled 'Oreos', the other labeled 'Vegan Oreos'. Now, Oreos are vegan, but aren't labeled as such. I had to refill the standard Oreos a couple times throughout the night. The 'Vegan' labeled tray ended the night with more than half still there. Vegan definitely plays a role in sales, and not always for the best.
Love it. Science!
Huh. I always thought the white stuff was derived from milk
That's interesting! I also wonder if its a legal shielding technique to abandon the "vegan" label in case one of their upstream suppliers changes without notifying the manufacturer. If you never claim it to be vegan, you've in no danger of violation.
There are people that hold specific definitions of the term "vegan". If you never use the word, you can never run afoul of anyone's definition.
The reason the vegan label lowers sales is that smart people already read the product label, so they know it's vegan either way. Lazy people who don't like thinking need to be told that something is vegan. Vegans tend to be smart, and vegan-haters tend to hate thinking.
It looks like the 91% natural ingredients version has benzyl alcohol as a preservative which is typically synthetically derived and in my experience can drastically shift the bio-based ratio.
As far as I can see, the rest of the ingredients are the same, but the sourcing of those ingredients could be different which could also shift the naturally derived percentage.
Show me a gel/spray that isn't. They are all going to be some form of 'sticky,' which means some form bonding, likely protein or carbohydrate based. Either of those will take oil from your hair when removed/washed off, and are obviously interacting with the keratin itself to create all the stickiness between hair strands.
I haven’t heard that before but I don’t work on hair care products very often. Benzyl alcohol is used as a preservative in lots of cosmetic products though. It can be considered an allergen for some people, but overall it’s pretty safe (as far as we know so far).
Who's Matt and how come you've got his paste?
I wouldn't even be surprised if this is just a shift in marketing. The "Vegan" label, in particular, has fallen out of style as more and more men become obsessed with meat-based diets.
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Keto, paleo, whatever the roid king is doing. The share of people picking that up and going "ew, vegan, it'll probably turn me into a soy boy" is probably bigger than the share of people who only buy vegan products, OR the savings of cutting those 6% of natural ingredients are worth losing the latter share of buyers. Bottom line is the company's bottom line.
I think you might have gotten old stock when you bought a 'new' tin. When I look on their website, it only has the vegan formulation listed, and the ingredients do appear to be derived from non-animal sources.
Welp, looks like I won't be licking your hair anytime soon you monster.
No more shiny cap either.
Matt paste, matte cap
Damn, I guess you will have to find a new hair product to eat.
I was about two make a whole lecture about percentage points but it just so happens it actually is ~6% less in this case.
It's like when you want to make an unexpected factorial joke but they said 2! or 1!
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You have my attention...
Sit on it and spin buddy
"Now made with actual bitch beach boys!!"
For someone that doesn't appreciate the formerly creamy yet cruelty free texture, maybe.
Have we just forgotten about the word "fewer" entirely at this point?
I'm not sure that applies here. Generally, when measuring something, you use less. Like I wouldn't say , I just drank from my glass and it now has fewer waters in it. In this case, "natural ingredients" is a set of things that are being measured as a single "ingredient". Like let's say the natural ingredients are soot and berry juice. Would you say the paint has fewer or less soot and berry juice?
But then again language is all made up, the rules don't matter, and you're only truly wrong if the meaning is lost.
I can see that, but the plural "ingredients" still makes my gut say it should be fewer.
It depends on context. If you are dealing with a percentage of overall types of ingredients by volume without changing the variety of ingredients you would probably use "less". Like if you reduced the mix of milk related ingredients. You would use "fewer" to indicate that the number of individual ingredients had changed. Like if they got rid of two of the ingredients of an original ten.
This could be a category error?
I guess it depends on if it is a case of there having had been 97 of 100 ingredients having been naturally derived and now only 91 of those ingredients are such. Which admittedly seems unlikely.
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My bet is on beeswax for the non-vegan ingredient.
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