‘Rick and Morty’ Team Gives Update on Recasting Process Following Justin Roiland’s Dismissal
3 years ago by muffinman to c/moviesandtv
I personally think it was the wrong call to drop Roiland before his court case for domestic abuse was reviewed - innocent until proven guilty.
Remember how at the start of the Depp/Heard trial everyone labeled Depp a monster? Then in court, Heard revealed herself to be a liar.
However, the texts he sent to minors were disqualifying in their own right. As a form of risk mitigation, you can't continue to employ the star of a show teens love, texting underage girls about how they should hurry up and turn eighteen.
I believe he actually wanted to leave. He's a Co creator and will still win money from Rick and Morty. But not if people stop watching as protest or something like that. And at this point it's all 100% an image issue and it doesn't matter if he's guilty or not. He knows his image is already fkd. Most of his "friends" and coworkers cut relations with him to protect themselves.
This is just speculation, but I assumed as a matter of respect, the R&M team would have given him a choice to step down or not. I don't see a situation where keeping him on would be worth the hassle.
The Roiland DV case is very different from the depp/heard defamation case.
1: the Roiland case was about whether or not he was found to be committing DV. and it was inconclusive evidence. He might not be found guilty but he’s also not found innocent.
2: His accuser was not to be found guilty of perjury. the case was about finding evidence of DV. Not perjury of his accuser. the depp/heard case was explicitly about what heard gave to the media is what she was found guilty of.
3: Roiland and his accuser didn’t sign a non-disparagement claus. and his accuser didn’t then go talk to Washington post without any conclusive evidence on the outcome of the case. And probably a good thing roiland didn’t sign such a non-disparagement claus as he did post misinformation meant to publicly harm his accuser with that misleading Twitter post about what his case was actually about.
What's most egregious is that Adult Swim are owned by WB and look how many chances they gave Ezra Miller and he still got to be The Flash. Roiland had one set of dropped charges and he got sacked.
This conversation is specifically about child predation. Do you think child predation is okay? Do you think it's comparable to just any crime? Honestly looking for your thoughts on this because your sarcasm isn't doing it
Ah yes those are the two options: no consequences and prison forever without rights. Definitely no attempts at rehabilitation with some punishment
You absolutely suck at sarcasm.
in case anyone else was wondering, the answer to the replacement method is 'soundalikes'
Family guy was notoriously unsuccessful due to this flaw.
Same with Looney Tunes
He explicitly said risks. If Seth MacFarlane could no longer be used as a voice actor for whatever reason, Family Guy would have been in very big trouble.
Why does the concept of risk need to be explained?
Black and white thinking is all the rage these days. There is no "risk," it either "always is" or "always isn't." We did away with "sometimes" when we threw out "nuance."
Sarcasm
It shouldn't be a problem, there are some really good Justin Roiland soundalikes, and it's not like Rick's voice hasn't changed over the course of the show anyways.
The harder part will be finding someone with the right comedic timing. That's Roiland's bigger contribution to the show
Comedic timing still matters. The cadence of the sentence when you're delivering a punchline matters, and yeah, you can do dozens of takes until it's right, but they're not going to want to do that.
To be clear, I do think it will be fine. They will find someone who can fill the role(s) well. It's just not going to be as easy as recasting, say, War Machine in Iron Man was. They'll need to find the right guy, but they will find him
Lmfao Justin Roiland is a garbage voice actor. He can do, like, 3 voices that a lot of people can easily impersonate.
Honestly the customer doesn't even have to dislike the shirt. It's incredible the lack of rights that Americans have in the workplace. Especially when we also have very weak safety nets in place for people who are out of work.
No one said they couldn’t fire roiland because it violates laws. They said he shouldn’t have been fired because of the concept of innocent until proven guilty. That’s separate from the law.
But the text messages to minors should be enough for anyone to want him fired.
The law isn’t the beginning and end of thought. The law was made because of the principle. It’s not fully encompassing of the principle.
Dan Stevens is taking over the role of Corvo, they put out a short video with the recast last month https://youtu.be/IyTANvYnbD8
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Absolutely pointless trying to keep the show going at this point. Just make something new, I’ve got enough confidence in Harmon and the rest of the writing team that I feel like they’d be able to create something great regardless of Roiland being a part of it.
It has been pretty clear that Harmon is the creative talent behind the show and Roiland had made himself replaceable. Harmon probably feels he can continue the show, so why not?
It's my understanding is that Dan is primary creative engine of the show. Guess we'll see.
I don't think it's that simple. Stuff Harmon works alone on can still be great, but it has a tendency to collapse under its own self-awareness. Whereas Roiland alone is just lulrandom and unhinged without Harmon's storytelling skills pulling it together.
The two together had this amazing mix of self-awareness and chaos energy. Prime example being the Meeseeks episode. Remains to be seen if Harmon can pull it off on his own.
Yeah, the initial concept work for Rick and Morty was absolutely awful, but between the two of them it somehow fused low brow insanity and nihilistic narrative depth into something way better than it had any right to be. I can see people being thrown off by losing Roiland as a voice actor, but I think the real hit is going to the unreasonably solid blend between their script writing.
Ya anyone who's seen Roiland's original Rick and Morty short knows this lol
We left them all behind in the migration and have an opportunity to set our own direction here. I, for one, vote that /s is not required on lemmy and people should be shunned for using it, like emojis on reddit.
We are all sarcastic all the time. There's always sarcasm.
Of course I know this info because as a Rick and Morty watcher, my brain is clearly capable of such things.
Everyone here is missing the joke. This post is itself sarcastic but it's lost on the non-Rick-and-Morty watchers.
There are so many layers of detached irony that even this post is sarcastic
You dropped this: /s
/s
It's only been 8 months since the last episode aired
Weren't all charges against him dropped?
I'm all for rooting out the predators I'm our society, but what are we doing when we take a franchise away from it's creator based on accusations that don't even have enough weight to warrant a trial?
A core tenant of our justice system is "innocent until proven guilty". Was there even an internal company investigation that justifies punishing him?
This exactly. Just because the charges dismissed against somebody doesn't mean the internal investigations didn't make it clear they'd be better off without his influence, and it also doesn't mean the person is innocent of being deeply toxic and likely to run into issues again, it just means a prosecutor wasn't willing to risk anything other than a clear win as so often happens with these types of cases.
Of course not... But what evidence do we have that he was a toxic asshole?
All those text message logs of inappropriate conversations with underage girls
I just googled them.
Yup. He had to go.
I mean, not the greatest thing ever but I'm not sure they are as bad as everyone makes them out to be? He is just saying outlandish shit... I mean the characters on the show have the same humor so I'm not sure what anyone expected.
Yeah,I just googled the text messages mentioned above. Definitely super creepy and predatory.
fire a toxic asshole
Dr House?
Savage
Weren't all charges against him dropped?
Yes, but there was also a ton of leaked texts of him speaking inappropriately with underage girls and it also surfaced past instances of him defending pedophilia on podcasts.
He's a liability to the IP and the people that work for it.
Holy crap I read the whole thread and article to find out there’s no new thing here - its the same news as earlier this year.
I misread the title as “‘rick and morty’ gives up on recasting process . . “ and thought they were going to kill off the characters or something. Nope. No news.
I think the new part is the confirmation that they're seeking soundalikes and not recasting with someone who sounds totally different like in Solar Opposites
Kind of ashame :( I get he did some reprehensible shit. Just bummed. I really like this show. I hope it can keep the same vibe.
The quality of Rick and Morty fell off a cliff two seasons ago, and I chalked it up to everything being fucked up by the pandemic. Then I figured there was turnover in the writers room, and stories about how Justin was working on other projects more. Then after the news came out about Roiland, and the court case, it all finally made sense. Rick and Morty sucked shit the last two seasons, and I fear that Roiland was THE essential piece that made it all come together so perfectly. I'll tune in and check it out the next time they roll our new eps, but going by the last two seasons, I think we had our shining brilliant perfect moment in the sun, and I'm not sure it's coming back.
Yeah…
R&M is never going to be the same.
It’s not just his voice, it’s his humour, his timing, his ability to improvise, he basically IS the entire show.
Trying to make a copy of a show like this is completely pointless.
Best to move on and create something new.
Also, weren’t his charges dismissed?
Justin's humor was unique but was really dry when he was in his own. The other writers really brought his voice to life, IMHO. On that note, I think he was only a writer on one or two episodes of R&M.
Allegedly Roiland hasn't been very involved in the creative process of the show since season 2. He just mostly showed up to the record booth (like Family Guy's Seth MacFarlane).
Dan Harmon (the other co-creator and) and the remaining writting team were responsible for it.
Also, weren’t his charges dismissed?
They were, according to the article
I thought it was more for the pedophilic grooming rather than the abuse case.
Just because charges are dismissed does not guarantee innocence. There just wasn’t enough evidence to pursue criminally. Such cases are hard to prove.
And I think you are underselling Dan Harmon’s contribution to the show.
I think we're definitely going to lose quality with the voice acting and energy that Roiland brought to the character. Plus he was great in the improv skits from intergalactic cable/Morty's mind blowers. But as long as Dan Harmon is in creative control, I think we're set with the good storylines
“Soundalikes” never sound alike enough. It would be easy to write a story where their voices are permanently changed. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but as of now, I’m thinking they should have just worked with the change instead of trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
and Morty.
Oh jeez
Mr. Poopybutthole
im sorry last i checked being a VA doesnt involve something a felon cant do. bet you love locking people up
Bro.
I can't imagine being so obsessed with a show/actor that I would defend a child predator
That's how it is in the USA, an employer can fire an employee for any number of reasons that don't involve a crime.
An employee does not get any guarantee of employment. Getting convicted of a sex crime will definitely get someone fired, but an employer can fire someone simply for being counterproductive. Though most government jobs do require a number of official complaints first.
For contract work common in entertainment there are legal obligations. An employer can break a contract at will, but it may end up in court if not settled privately.
criminal history should be a protected class just like being black
basically he got fired for something outside of work
should be illegal
no anyone who has ever commited a crime should be stripped of all rightz and sent to the gulag until they die forever
Heyyy I think you might be the first honest to goodness troll I've seen on lemmy.
no its the judiciarys job to punish criminals
once convincted a death penalty should prevent any trouble
if your crime isnt befit for death, then you can work and not be further punished
You realize that being fired for being a sex pest isn't federal punishment right? It's just a company looking after their own bottom line. Are you old enough to understand that public outcry isn't the same thing as a criminal sentence?
Should the company be forced to employ Roiland until he gets a death sentence?
so you think sex predators should be alive? thats disgusting
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Did everyone forget the texts to minors? Dude was a predator. He wasn't dropped from the show just on the DV accusations but also the mountain of evidence that show he was a creep. https://wegotthiscovered.com/...
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